HardyBoy Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Is Hopkins available? 14 minutes ago, Jim said: Yet Harrison Butker seemed to do fine in that same stadium. And while Bass missed in the mess in Philly, Jake Elliott was nailing 50 plus yarders in the rain. Once again in Buffalo we settle for good enough and reward that instead of looking for better. Our hope for next season is literally just that, hope. There’s no reason to think this ####### is gonna be any better next year, especially after ending our season this year. But yeah sure, he’s just gonna “bounce back” just like Gabe after his “ankle injury” last year. Do you have any actual insight into why Bass had a down year? I know that 95%-99% of us have no idea what we're truly watching, because football is so damn complex, but I'd argue that number jumps to 99.9% when it comes to kickers and punters (I’ve read that most coaches and gms have no idea what they're watching when it comes to kickers and punters). Normally I don't point that out this directly, but you seem so confident that you actually know something about what you're talking about, but I'm probably 95% safe to say you have absolutely no idea and are just group thinking with the other 95% of people without trying to understand the situation and actually try and cobble some type of insight by listening to people who know what they're talking about on the subject and synergizing ideas together. And it's all good, I'm not really judging how you do sports, have at it and have fun...I don't do it that way, I don't agree with that approach and when it gets too noisy and group thinky I push back, but enjoy your hobby as you see fit as long as you're not like sending threats to Bass or anything...my one recommendation is to realize it's something that's happening (feeling very confident that you're right about something you don't really know anything about, with a huge group of other people), because sports is one thing, but be mindful of it in other areas of life because it can be a treacherous path in other areas of life. 1 Quote
PauleeeWalnuts Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Bass choked, it’s a common theme of the Bills. What are ya gonna do 🤷🏻♂️ 1 Quote
Jim Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 24 minutes ago, HardyBoy said: Is Hopkins available? Do you have any actual insight into why Bass had a down year? I know that 95%-99% of us have no idea what we're truly watching, because football is so damn complex, but I'd argue that number jumps to 99.9% when it comes to kickers and punters (I’ve read that most coaches and gms have no idea what they're watching when it comes to kickers and punters). Normally I don't point that out this directly, but you seem so confident that you actually know something about what you're talking about, but I'm probably 95% safe to say you have absolutely no idea and are just group thinking with the other 95% of people without trying to understand the situation and actually try and cobble some type of insight by listening to people who know what they're talking about on the subject and synergizing ideas together. And it's all good, I'm not really judging how you do sports, have at it and have fun...I don't do it that way, I don't agree with that approach and when it gets too noisy and group thinky I push back, but enjoy your hobby as you see fit as long as you're not like sending threats to Bass or anything...my one recommendation is to realize it's something that's happening (feeling very confident that you're right about something you don't really know anything about, with a huge group of other people), because sports is one thing, but be mindful of it in other areas of life because it can be a treacherous path in other areas of life. I have zero true beef with Bass and would never, ever personally attack an athlete or any other person with a threat, physical or otherwise. But I do think the whole Buffalo Bills way of coddling these half-assed players cuz they are “nice guys” means we get teams full of lovely guys who suck. Also, of course I have no special insight on Bass or any other player. But I do see a player who looked worse and worse during the season, culminating with him driving a stake into the heart of our season. Why should I have any hope he’s gonna bounce back? Cuz Brandon Beane says so? 16 minutes ago, PauleeeWalnuts said: Bass choked, it’s a common theme of the Bills. What are ya gonna do 🤷🏻♂️ So true. That’s what Buffalo is. Our guys are chokers. Bruce Smith, Jim Kelly, Marv Levy, Thurman Thomas. Now Josh Allen, Stef Diggs and Sean McDermott. I would add people like Dawson Knox or Gabe Davis to the list, but the truth is they aren’t really chokers. They are just guys who were never good enough in the first place that we convinced ourselves could be champions. Edited February 13 by Jim 3 Quote
K-9 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 29 minutes ago, Jim said: Yet Harrison Butker seemed to do fine in that same stadium. And while Bass missed in the mess in Philly, Jake Elliott was nailing 50 plus yarders in the rain. Once again in Buffalo we settle for good enough and reward that instead of looking for better. Our hope for next season is literally just that, hope. There’s no reason to think this ####### is gonna be any better next year, especially after ending our season this year. But yeah sure, he’s just gonna “bounce back” just like Gabe after his “ankle injury” last year. Butker and Elliott are better kickers, imo, but that’s not the point. The point is that Highmark is the worst stadium in the league to kick in. The wind conditions are notorious for their unpredictability as they often blow in opposite directions in one end zone vs. the other and the swirling winds can literally change from the time you’re lining up to kick to the time you kick the ball. As such, unless he was battling an undisclosed injury of some sort, I wouldn’t expect radical improvement from Bass, especially later in the season when the winds off the lake really pick up steam. Quote
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 hours ago, JJGauna said: Bass earned his contract at the time, he had a down year no doubt, hopefully he rebounds this year. he will get his mojo back! 1 Quote
Trev Posted February 13 Posted February 13 When is beane going to be responsible for these crazy contracts. Von, Knox, Bass. Three strikes and you’re out. Can we have some accountability on this team? 1 Quote
BillsFan130 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 hours ago, Big Blitz said: No one had a problem with this after his 2022 season. I was pretty skeptical of it at the time as im not just saying this now. Kickers are so up and down in the nfl and there's really only a couple guys you can trust year in and year out. While bass was "good" his first 3 years, he was never really a top tier kicker IMO Why not just let him play out the 4th year of his contract and then make a decision from there? 1 Quote
vincec Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 hours ago, st pete gogolak said: Interesting to take a quick look at kicker salaries. Tucker makes $6 million, Bass $5, Butker and Elliot $4. A few mediocre kickers make more than Bass. The real deal is the rookie on Dallas who makes 55 yarders like they are extra points. He makes less than $1. 30 years ago, Jimmy Johnson said that kickers are fungible. Not sure if that is true anymore. These days, you better have someone who you are comfortable putting out there to make 50+ yarders. If you do, you pay him. If you don’t, you don’t ( or shouldn’t). He needs a raise. 1 Quote
BuffaloRebound Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 hours ago, VaMilBill said: I think we need to move on from Bass while we can without actually hurting us in games. That means drafting a kicker. Take the cap hit. Can’t go into The season with a terrible kicker with the yips. You’re only as good as your last season IMO Completely agree with this. Kickers are so important in the playoffs. You cannot win a Super Bowl with a shaky kicker. The margin is so close in these playoff games and most of the good teams have kickers who are automatic out to 55 yards. 1 1 Quote
78thealltimegreat Posted February 13 Posted February 13 I would think at a minimum the Bills would bring in competition for Bass. He just didn’t look right most of the year. Quote
Jim Posted February 13 Posted February 13 9 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I would think at a minimum the Bills would bring in competition for Bass. He just didn’t look right most of the year. They won't. Or in true Bills style, it'll just be for looks. Some kicker that has zero chance of beating him out, just so they can say, "see we wanted to push Tyler to be the best kicker he can be!" 1 Quote
Captain Hindsight Posted February 13 Posted February 13 4 hours ago, NoSaint said: kickers often come back around. I’m still curious if there’s more to the story here. It still doesn’t add up fully in my opinion. I thought he was hurt all year. Seemed like he wasnt comfortable Quote
Jim Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Just now, Captain Hindsight said: I thought he was hurt all year. Seemed like he wasnt comfortable Of course, anytime anybody is playing like ***** for Buffalo they are "hurt" (just like Diggs, Davis, Elam, etc). It's never that they might just have been playing like absolute garbage and that the team didn't do better to upgrade, its just fate that they got hurt and hey, there's nothing we can do about that, golly gee! 3 Quote
Captain Hindsight Posted February 13 Posted February 13 7 minutes ago, Jim said: Of course, anytime anybody is playing like ***** for Buffalo they are "hurt" (just like Diggs, Davis, Elam, etc). It's never that they might just have been playing like absolute garbage and that the team didn't do better to upgrade, its just fate that they got hurt and hey, there's nothing we can do about that, golly gee! Quote
JJGauna Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: Did he though? He has not had a lot of pressure kick opportunities. I have never felt super confident with him. He hit an upright in Detroit when the pressure was in but it went though. I’d say so in 2021 and 2022 he was converting 87% of his kicks. Great accuracy especially 40+ yards (18 for 23.) Bass has a powerful leg and can probably make a 60 yarder. He could be better and definitely showed signs of regression this season. If he doesn’t miss against KC this topic probably doesn’t exist. Quote
NoSaint Posted February 13 Posted February 13 42 minutes ago, Jim said: Of course, anytime anybody is playing like ***** for Buffalo they are "hurt" (just like Diggs, Davis, Elam, etc). It's never that they might just have been playing like absolute garbage and that the team didn't do better to upgrade, its just fate that they got hurt and hey, there's nothing we can do about that, golly gee! sometimes yes, sometimes no. if Josh started struggling to get it 30 yards downfield I’d worry he had something physical and not just a mental issue. how bass was handled down the stretch seemed more akin to that than say Josh making bad reads Quote
Dr.Sack Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Draft a K and actually give him a shot at earning the job. Bass appeared to lose it this year, and the leg looks shot. Not a surprise considering he’s 27 and a smaller guy who has to put everything he has to create the power a bigger stronger legged kicker can create. In soccer Bass is the size of a small midfielder. Look at the good kickers, they are the size of the biggest soccer players 6’ + with much stronger legs. Quote
MiracleAtRich1393 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 4 hours ago, jkeerie said: Butker should demand a huge raise! You could argue he is just as valuable as any TE, WR, or defensive player. And he should hold out until he gets it! Agreed they should prioritize him over Chris Jones for sure. Let Jones walk! 1 1 Quote
Dr.Sack Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Current NFL Kickers Butker 6’4” 199 309/327 .945 Aubrey 6’3” 208 36/38 .947 Folk 6’1” 225 382/456 .838 Fairbairn 6’ 183 175/201 .871 Dicker 6’1” 216 50/53 .945 Tucker 6’1” 188 395/438 .902 Bass 5’10” 185 107/126 .849 Historically Great Kickers Mort Andersen 6’2 225 565/709 (.797) Gostkowski 6’1 215 392/454 (.863) Vinatieri 6’ 212 599/715 (.838) Hanson 6’ 190 495/601 (.824) Gary Anderson 5’11 193 538/672 (.801) Quote
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