Thoughts on Kyle Shanahan?

[Southern_Bills]

I mean everything being said about Shanahan was said about Reid before Mahomes showed up.

 

It takes a HC/QB combo. He's had the misfortune of playing Reid/Mahomes and Belichick/Brady.

 

If he gets a great QB or Purdy becomes one everyone will put him in the HoF very quickly.

[NoSaint]

54 minutes ago, Process said:

The Chiefs would have gone for 2 if both teams scored a TD. Players confirmed that after the game. 

what about exchanging fgs? Or no scores?

[Shortchaz]

3-12 on third down. 

[78thealltimegreat]

Said it before and I’ll say it again. He’s the genius in school who struggles for whatever reason in one subject.
Kinda like Einstein who was told by his English teacher he’d never amount to anything.

His one subject is clock management. 

[wppete]

He’s a good coach. The guy just lost in overtime in the SuperBowl. Not bad at all. 

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

I mean everything being said about Shanahan was said about Reid before Mahomes showed up.

 

It takes a HC/QB combo. He's had the misfortune of playing Reid/Mahomes and Belichick/Brady.

 

If he gets a great QB or Purdy becomes one everyone will put him in the HoF very quickly.

wouldn’t be shocked if he gets tied to purdy and it’s a second stop like Reid where he gets his guy. 
 

it’s going to be rough when the niners pay purdy but how do you cut the cord unless you stumble into someome like the pats did Brady 

[FilthyBeast]

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

Your argument is dumb. The 49ers are in the NFC. Of course he can get to the Superbowl in the NFC. Who does he have to contend with over there?

 

Also, the "what if" scenarios about switching coaches and switching QB's as proof of anything is completely stupid. Nobody knows how those scenarios would pan out. It is useless to bring them up all the time like you and others do. It does not support any argument.

 

I get the point about the 49ers being in the NFC, but the fact remains that Shanahan is an offensive coach that has actually excelled in that area even though you can make the argument his defenses have been the main reason they've had a lot of success in the NFC going back to 2019 including 4 trips to the NFCCG and 2 Super Bowl appearances.

 

McDivisional on the other hand is a defensive head coach, whose defenses have come up as small as possible when it actually matters. And the big difference with him is the only reason he's had success is because of JA17. Again take him out of the equation and give him marginal starters or game manager types like SF has had and the results aren't going to be shocking and it's delusional to think McDivisional would have a job right now or anywhere close to the record he's had without Allen...theres are just facts.

[Process]

17 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

You do know that if the 49ers hadn't muffed a punt on their own 16 yd line, or if McCloud had just fallen on the damned ball instead of trying to pick it up, we would likely be having a very different discussion today?  How did Shanahan cause that? 

 

Then, the blocked extra point.  How did Shanahan cause the kicker to kick it low enough to be blocked?

 

Look, X's and O's matter.  But when you have two very good teams playing each other, the Jimmies and the Joes also matter.   Reid had some calls that I thought weren't the best either.  Bottom line, San Francisco committed more unforced errors, including one that gift-wrapped a TD for KC.  I'm ordinarily a big one for saying that you can't change one play, but that fumble on the SF 16 yd line was a game changer for sure.

 

It didn't help Shanahan to lose Greenlaw and go down to their 3rd string RG, either.

 

I'm not trying to make excuses - KC played well and won the game.  My point is that when two very good teams play, the media narrative will invariably paint the winners as the genius dynasty and the losers as bumblers.  But under the hood, it will often turn on a few key plays - that muffed punt fumble; an injury or two; not being prepared to stop Mahomes runs at the end of the game; etc

No I didn't realize that. And I definitely did not point out in my OP that the players made several executional errors. Definitely not. 

 

I think Shanahan made several key mistakes last night, some painfully obvious and bad. 

 

Doesn't need to be this or that. Both players and coaching had a hand in the loss. 

 

Shanahan has now lost three SBs where he had double digits leads. And is developing a history of making questionable decisions on big games. 

 

Something to talk about, it's the offseason. 

[GunnerBill]

He is the best offensive play designer in football and he might be the best in the last 25 years or so that I have been watching the NFL. There are many Shanahan wannabes among his group of mates now coaching across the league but only McVay even comes close and as a play designer he is behind Shanny. 

 

I don't think he is a great Head Coach though. He has a history of making bad decisions in the crunch and falling apart playcalling wise. This is the third Superbowl where he, as an OC or HC, has established a double digit lead by running the ball and then inexplicably got away from it. Honestly the knock on him was ego and it came off as ego to me last night. Was like "you all think Brock is a game manager (he is) well let me show you how good I can make him look in a Superbowl." 

 

2024 is massive for him because when Brock Purdy is earning top 5 Quarterback money I am not sure their window will still be open. 

[Process]

8 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

what about exchanging fgs? Or no scores?

Sure if those scenarios play out then getting the ball first is better. Those scenarios aren't going to happen too often. 

 

If decision A gives you an advantage 80% of the time, and decision B gives you an advantage 20% of the time, seems like there is a pretty clear choice, no?

[Billsfanatic8989]

59 minutes ago, mannc said:

My working theory is that Shanahan didn't know the overtime rules, either.  It's the only explanation for that bizarre decision to take the ball first.

Can you imagine if SF scored a TD, everyone runs out onto the field. Suddenly, refs move everyone away and tell them KC still gets an offensive possession. Then, the Chiefs go down and scre a TD and get the 2 point conversion to take the game. 

 

What an embarrassing moment that would be. 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Process said:

Sure if those scenarios play out then getting the ball first is better. Those scenarios aren't going to happen too often. 

 

If decision A gives you an advantage 80% of the time, and decision B gives you an advantage 20% of the time, seems like there is a pretty clear choice, no?

 

It comes down to this for me:

 

Team 1 cannot win the game on their possession. It is impossible. The only way Team 1 can guarantee Team 2 can't win it on their possession is a TD and a successful 2 pointer. 

 

Which means the odds pretty good that when Team 2 gets the ball they have a chance to win it on that possession. 

 

Worrying about the 3rd possession is a red herring IMO. 

[Billsfanatic8989]

I think he would be the best OC in the game. A HC is responsible for alot more though. 

 

He is definitely overrated. I wouldn't want him as Bills HC. 

 

SF is stuck with him. They can't fire him. So do they just hope he calls a great 60 minute game someday?

 

I've ripped Belichick all season. But last night is exactly why you would want him as your HC in a huge game. 

 

I thought Reid was more important than Mahomes yesterday. Mahomes was very good. Not spectacular. Reid and Spagnola (deserves hof as a DC) were terrific 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 12 by Billsfanatic8989

[FilthyBeast]

4 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

I think he would be the best OC in the game. A HC is responsible for alot more though. 

 

He is definitely overrated. I wouldn't want him as Bills HC. 

 

This is the exact reason why this franchise is never going to win anything, especially if Terry Pegula believe McDivisional and Shannahan are one in the same or McD is actually better....

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Its a shame because they were gashing them in the run but they got stuffed for no gain on 2nd and 6 just before 2 min warning.  Had they gotten more yards there they probably run again on 3rd down and at least force Chiefs to use a TO.

Could he have had a better play on 3rd down? Nobody knows. Great play call by Spags. 

A first down there of course wins the game. Hard to fault him for the 2nd down call just because it didn't work.

What was so stupid was taking the ball first in OT!!! No way you are stopping KC with four downs to get 10 and no clock to worry about. Stoooopid!!!!!!

[Billsfanatic8989]

Just now, FilthyBeast said:

 

This is the exact reason why this franchise is never going to win anything, especially if Terry Pegula believe McDivisional and Shannahan are one in the same or McD is actually better....

Shanahan is better.

 

But....after seeing him screw up so many big games, who is to say he suddenly changes as our HC? 

 

Now...maybe Allen overrides his dumb calls and takes over himself. 

 

But idk...

[FilthyBeast]

Just now, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Shanahan is better.

 

But....after seeing him screw up so many big games, who is to say he suddenly changes as our HC? 

 

Now...maybe Allen overrides his dumb calls and takes over himself. 

 

But idk...

 

I just look at the eye test....and yes Shanahan has made some ridiculously questionable coaching decisions but if this guy can get to 2 superbowls and nearly win them with the likes of Jimmy G and Purdy just think of what he'd do here with JA17.

 

And again, if the argument is that Sean McDivisional is a top 10-15 head coach in this league at best (which mine is and always will be) that means there's more than a few guys out there that could do better....shanahan just being one of them.

[Billsfanatic8989]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Its a shame because they were gashing them in the run but they got stuffed for no gain on 2nd and 6 just before 2 min warning.  Had they gotten more yards there they probably run again on 3rd down and at least force Chiefs to use a TO.

Could he have had a better play on 3rd down? Nobody knows. Great play call by Spags. 

A first down there of course wins the game. Hard to fault him for the 2nd down call just because it didn't work.

What was so stupid was taking the ball first in OT!!! No way you are stopping KC with four downs to get 10 and no clock to worry about. Stoooopid!!!!!!

Yup.

 

KC having 4 downs is an automatic TD for them. If you kick it away, they will likely use three downs. Either way, you know what needs to be done on your drive. 

 

The fact he barely knew any of this tells me his team would have ran onto the field to celebrate a go ahead, not GW, TD. It also tells me one team was clearly better prepared for all situations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HOUSE]

No, absolutely not

[Billsfanatic8989]

Just now, FilthyBeast said:

 

I just look at the eye test....and yes Shanahan has made some ridiculously questionable coaching decisions but if this guy can get to 2 superbowls and nearly win them with the likes of Jimmy G and Purdy just think of what he'd do here with JA17.

 

And again, if the argument is that Sean McDivisional is a top 10-15 head coach in this league at best (which mine is and always will be) that means there's more than a few guys out there that could do better....shanahan just being one of them.

Yeah I think Allen would change things. Because he has the authority to audible etc.