mannc Posted February 12 Posted February 12 13 minutes ago, Gregg said: The Bengals will have their hands full with the division. The entire North beats the crap out of one another as there are strong rivalries with all 4 teams. Absolutely true. That is a brutal division and will be even tougher next year. But the Bengals definitely have our number, which is a problem above and beyond KC. 1 Quote
HappyDays Posted February 12 Posted February 12 32 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said: From a talent level, both teams are pretty equal overall. Not even close to be honest. Chris Jones L'Jarius Sneed Travis Kelce Creed Humphrey Joe Thuney All of these players are considered to be among the very best at their positions. We have nobody in that discussion outside of Allen. Milano when he's healthy would be one. That still leaves us lagging behind quite a bit though. Andy Reid and Steve Spagnuolo are also arguably the very best at their respective coaching positions. The Bills don't have a coach in that conversation either. We are way off from them. Allen is the only reason we have a chance. 3 1 Quote
Seventeen Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, Old Coot said: I don't know. Football is a quintessential team sport, unlike baseball or basketball. The QBs success is heavily dependent on his OL and skill players and the D, scheme, coaching and execution by other players. This is why Dan Marino, one of the purest passing QBs I ever saw. He had Mark Clayton and Mark Duper, two first class WRs to throw to. He reached the Super Bowl in his second year only to lose to the 49ers. He never returned to the Super Bowl. Think about that: Dan Marino has zero Super Bowl rings. And Marino is only one example. Some others: Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, Dan Fouts, Daryl Lamonica. Exactly and why I think Mahomes as a Bill would also have zero rings. The Chiefs simply have a better coach, DC and marginally better players where it counts. Mahomes is a generational talent but so is Josh. I am heartened by the fact John Elway was on his way to zero SB rings until he hit 37 so I firmly believe Josh will get his. Edited February 12 by Seventeen 1 Quote
noacls Posted February 12 Posted February 12 And it's all buffalo's fault. Whoever made that decision if still in front or staff should be fired immediately. Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 12 Posted February 12 7 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Not even close to be honest. Chris Jones L'Jarius Sneed Travis Kelce Creed Humphrey Joe Thuney All of these players are considered to be among the very best at their positions. We have nobody in that discussion outside of Allen. Milano when he's healthy would be one. That still leaves us lagging behind quite a bit though. Andy Reid and Steve Spagnuolo are also arguably the very best at their respective coaching positions. The Bills don't have a coach in that conversation either. We are way off from them. Allen is the only reason we have a chance. McDuffie too (although I think our nickel IS in the conversation for best at his position. But he is like top 5/6 and McDuffie is the best IMO). It is elite talent. That is where we lack. Even at our absolute peak we had 3 - Allen, White, Diggs. We replaced White (ACL) with Von (borderline elite at that point) but then he went down too. Then White plays his first elite game since his ACL and with the game all but over ruptures his achillies, then Milano, and then second half of this year Diggs was not at an elite level. We need some more elite talent. Ed Oliver is close. Let's hope Matt comes back at his best and they fix whatever the Stef issue was. That would give us a chance. Kincaid developing is the other option. 4 Quote
Meatloaf63 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 3 hours ago, mannc said: Good grief...the Bills could not possibly have gotten any more breaks in that game. The Bills recovered three of their own fumbles, Hardman fumbles through the endzone just as Chiefs were going to go up by two scores. There were a bunch of important calls that were reviewed and every single review went the Bills' way even though several were questionable. The Chiefs averaged just under 8 yards per play; the Bills averaged less than five yards per play. The Chiefs had injuries on defense, too...Brian Cook was out, Derek Njadi was out, I believe Willie Gay was out, and I believe another of their LBs was out, too. As to the punter's injury, Martin punted one time and it was a pretty good kick...an absolute non-factor. The Bills were lucky to be in that game at the end. You already said that but if the Bills are as healthy as the chiefs or if the chiefs are as injured as the Bills , the Bills win that game no argument, end of story you are wrong… Quote
mannc Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: You already said that but if the Bills are as healthy as the chiefs or if the chiefs are as injured as the Bills , the Bills win that game no argument, end of story you are wrong… Injury excuses have always carried a lot of weight in the NFL…well done! Maybe there should be an “If Only No One Got Hurt Lombardi Trophy”…heck, they could award it before the playoffs even start! Edited February 12 by mannc Quote
Mikie2times Posted February 12 Posted February 12 37 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: You already said that but if the Bills are as healthy as the chiefs or if the chiefs are as injured as the Bills , the Bills win that game no argument, end of story you are wrong… If the Bengals had 3 out of 5 starting lineman out we would have got the job done in 2022! Oh wait.... 2 1 Quote
Ga boy Posted February 12 Posted February 12 5 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: LA that’s what I’m saying too. Andy Reid made the likes of AJ Feeley and Kevin Kolb look like serviceable NFL QBs. The guy is a master of the QB position get a guy like Patrick and you see what he does even in his Philly days he pretty much dominated the NFC with Donovan Mcnabb. Patrick would still be great wherever he played but give Andy Josh from the beginning does anyone believe Allen wouldn’t have at least one Lombardi now If Josh had Kelce he would have a couple! 1 Quote
Mikie2times Posted February 12 Posted February 12 7 minutes ago, Ga boy said: If Josh had Kelce he would have a couple! If Josh grew up in Europe he would be great at Rugby. Quote
90sBills Posted February 12 Posted February 12 4 hours ago, Blackbeard said: Allen has beaten Mahomes 3 times. Mahomes has beaten Allen 3 times. I'm not sure the Chiefs are way way better. Mahomes has beaten Allen 4 times. I’m sure the Chiefs are better given all the results of the last 5 years. Quote
ProcessTruster Posted February 13 Posted February 13 10 hours ago, BillsPride12 said: And the funny thing is we actually end up getting to host KC in the playoffs this year and it still didn't matter With the way the Bills play offense, not sure home game in 20deg helps much. Quote
Big Blitz Posted February 13 Posted February 13 During the Brady era…. Ben won 2. Flacco won. Eli won 2. Peyton won 2. Rodgers won. Nick Foles won. Russel Wilson won - should have twice. The Bengals and Tampa beat the Tyreek Hill version of the Chiefs. The loser talk all over the place today is really ridiculous. This city’s mindset needs to change immediately. The only team that beats us is us and injuries. 1 1 Quote
Eastport bills Posted February 13 Posted February 13 They’re better but that doesn’t mean we can’t turn our fortunes in the near future. The last game was winnable and we play them tough every year. The problem has been more defensive shortcomings than not being able to score enough. We missed important players ( Milano, a healthy Douglas and Miller)this year and will hopefully be difference makers next time. Remember the Colts went through the same frustrating thing with Brady until they found a way. With this core our time is coming. Quote
Jim Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: During the Brady era…. Ben won 2. Flacco won. Eli won 2. Peyton won 2. Rodgers won. Nick Foles won. Russel Wilson won - should have twice. The Bengals and Tampa beat the Tyreek Hill version of the Chiefs. The loser talk all over the place today is really ridiculous. This city’s mindset needs to change immediately. The only team that beats us is us and injuries. Why should the city’s mindset change? What have the Bills and Sabres done to make us think either will deliver a title? They might get to the very precipice of doing it, but they can’t close the deal. Explain to me why we should assume that things will ever change? Buffalo will never win a major sports title. Take that to the bank. And yes, I’m a Bills fan, but honestly it’s not by choice. If I could choose another team or just ignore football entirely, I would. Unfortunately I was born in Loserville, USA where we chant the name of our loser kicker who blew our only real chance at a championship. Lets go Buffalo! It’s our Lombardi next year! 😂 Edited February 13 by Jim 1 Quote
Jimmy Harris 69 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 We do a BIG reload and come back for another go at the champs. It’s time to get younger. Teams like the Chiefs and Rams have shown it’s possible to get younger and maintain quality. Are McBean willing to trust younger players? Are they brave enough to move on from Miller, Diggs, Hyde and White so that three years from now we can have cap room again? Is it crazy to think Josh passed up Diggs on the crossing against KC because he dropped a sure touchdown shortly before? Point is, that kid is not worth 31 million. We aren’t going to nickel and dime our way out of this. Slavish devotion the old thinking has not got us past the divisional round. We have Josh Allen , he makes every receiver a potential all pro. KC has been bold and they have three trophies. We traded the chance to have the best quarterback in football for the chance to have a cornerback. Quote
97bills Posted February 13 Posted February 13 11 hours ago, SCBills said: Chiefs Defense steps up in the Playoffs. Bills Defense does not. Chiefs supporting cast around Mahomes steps up in the Playoffs. Bills supporting cast around Allen does not. Not just KC's HC is better than the Bills HC, their DC is a better DC than our HC. It is what it is. And I would add there front office is better, hence all the winning there doing… Quote
Meatloaf63 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 4 hours ago, mannc said: Injury excuses have always carried a lot of weight in the NFL…well done! Maybe there should be an “If Only No One Got Hurt Lombardi Trophy”…heck, they could award it before the playoffs even start! Not an excuse just part of the reason, if someone can’t see it made a difference they are nothing more than a 🤡. Injuries are part of the game, unfortunately you have to move on and play with what you have, no stat line reflects it, but if you don’t think they affect outcomes you are not too intelligent, in fact you have shown you are not. Nobody said the trophy should not go to the Chiefs, they survived the season as one of the healthiest teams Only a person with a complete lack of understanding team sports would think it plays no influence on the outcome. If you had a clue of what was happening on the field you would have noticed how KC’s offense came alive after the 49’rs lost their middle linebacker last night, but hey you are probably right, it didn’t affect the outcome one bit…. 4 hours ago, Mikie2times said: If the Bengals had 3 out of 5 starting lineman out we would have got the job done in 2022! Oh wait.... Actually they would have had to have their back ups back ups in and actually 6 people out on offense to be a good comparison, but thanks for playing… Edited February 13 by Meatloaf63 Quote
Success Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Jim said: Why should the city’s mindset change? What have the Bills and Sabres done to make us think either will deliver a title? They might get to the very precipice of doing it, but they can’t close the deal. Explain to me why we should assume that things will ever change? Buffalo will never win a major sports title. Take that to the bank. And yes, I’m a Bills fan, but honestly it’s not by choice. If I could choose another team or just ignore football entirely, I would. Unfortunately I was born in Loserville, USA where we chant the name of our loser kicker who blew our only real chance at a championship. Lets go Buffalo! It’s our Lombardi next year! 😂 This post is almost incomprehensible to me. It's a pre-2004 Red Sox fan post. "Buffalo will never win a major sports title. Take that to the bank." What the heck is that? If you want to speak something into existence, have at it. I choose to believe will end up w/ a winning record in Super Bowls at 5-4. Quote
Mikie2times Posted February 13 Posted February 13 11 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: Not an excuse just part of the reason, if someone can’t see it made a difference they are nothing more than a 🤡. Injuries are part of the game, unfortunately you have to move on and play with what you have, no stat line reflects it, but if you don’t think they affect outcomes you are not too intelligent, in fact you have shown you are not. Nobody said the trophy should not go to the Chiefs, they survived the season as one of the healthiest teams Only a person with a complete lack of understanding team sports would think it plays no influence on the outcome. If you had a clue of what was happening on the field you would have noticed how KC’s offense came alive after the 49’rs lost their middle linebacker last night, but hey you are probably right, it didn’t affect the outcome one bit…. Actually they would have had to have their back ups back ups in and actually 6 people out on offense to be a good comparison, but thanks for playing… So what happened in that Bengals game or the KC game the year before or the Colts game the year before? (we did win the Colts game but it was an NFL record first down and yards allowed in victory). This is the problem with your perspective. You apologists never came up with a valid reason for the past. Then you just moved onto the injury card this year. Which might be somewhat fitting but it does not describe what has occurred every year we went from a Top 5 defense to having teams run track on us. Do you believe McD is a better defensive mind than Spags? Quote
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