cgg716 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 I'm not saying he didn't come through, because he did. But boy does tonight make you wish Josh had even half the caliber of teamattes and coaches as Pat. KC punted the ball with under 3 minutes left in the 3rd, their 6th punt in 9 drives, they had scored a total of 6 pts, and Mahomes had thrown a horrendous int. And yet they won a Super Bowl. If Allen played like that for 3 qtrs, SF would win 67-0 2 1 Quote
JoPoy88 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said: First lets start by saying I hate their guts if only because of how good they are every year and they most years eliminate our Buffalo Bills. I will also fully recognize that probably this post will get crapped on by most Bills fans but the truth hurts sometimes. This post will be an extension of another poster bringing it up but the reason why the Chiefs win every year is because they have the most top end players and coaching in the league and they always show up when the lights are the brightest. Patrick Mahomes- Is the best QB in the league. Comes through 95% of the time with the game on the line and very rarely fails come playoff time. Josh Allen is a very close 2nd but doesn't have the supporting cast that he does. Creed Humphrey/Joe Thuney, Trey Smith- Individually 2 out of the 3 could be in the argument for the best Center and Guard at their positions in the league and collectively are definitely the best interior line in football. Travis Kelce- Maybe not the best TE this season and was shut down very early in the Super Bowl but as the game rolled on there was his presence. No bigger than the 22 yard scamper down the sideline to tie the game at the end of regulation. 9 catches for 93 yards. Chris Jones- Maybe not huge on the stat line tonight but affected the pass and run game all night for the Chiefs. Makes the QB get off their mark. Cost the Bills at go ahead TD in the divisional game, harrassed Jackson and Purdy in both of the other games. Trent McDuffie- All over the field making tons of plays and have sticky coverage. He might be the best slot CB in the league and he is still very young. Played great tonight. L'Jarius Sneed- For the most part was good tonight besides giving up the TD to Jennings which was even still pretty good coverage. Gave up 1 TD all season long and could arguably considered the best outside CB in the NFL. Harrison Butker- Guy has been as good if not better than Justin Tucker these last couple of seasons and there he was again tonight burying at 57 yards FG and then hitting the 28 yarder to get the game into OT. Tucker probably still the best Kicker but to me its 1A and 1B. Andy Reid/Steve Spagnuolo- They continue to make adjustments at halftime and win games for their team. Spagnuolo was getting gashed early in the game in multiple ways but essentially shut down the 49ers offense in the 2nd half. The Chiefs also held the Bills to 7 second half points and completely shut down the Ravens in the AFC title game. This doesn't even include the plethora of really good other players that they have including Pacheco, Rice, Karlaftis, Nnadi, Bolton, Gay, Justin Reid, and Townsend. To me for the Bills, to get to the Chiefs level, they need to acquire more high end talent. It is simply amazing to me that Josh Allen has almost single handedly willed this Bills franchise to wins against the Chiefs in the playoffs. The Bills have talented players besides Allen but not to the level that the Chiefs. You can argue for Bills guys sure but at most positions the Chiefs have a guy who is better with the exception of LB and WR. Josh Allen-elite talent Ed Oliver-elite talent Stefon Diggs-elite talent Matt Milano-elite talent James Cook-very good talent Terrell Bernard-very good talent Khalil Shakir-very good talent Christian Benford-very good talent Rasul Douglas-very good talent 1 Quote
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 12 Posted February 12 They re currently the best. no doubt. we lost to them by 13 secs and a missed field goal. And everyone is talking regime change. The 49'ers and us are able to beat them as often as they beat us. Add in the Lions and you have the 4 best teams entering next season. Stop bitching... Quote
Billsfanatic8989 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 I think KC winning puts even more pressure on McD for next season. How can the Bills watch the Chiefs and think what we have at HC is acceptable? Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Their coaches are better than ours by alot. They make perfect adjustments and play schemes that McD & Brady could only dream of. I knew they'd target 87 heavy in the 2nd half. Yet Shanahan and his DC were unprepared and kept zone cover 2. At least we can blame having 5 defensive starters out (yes I'm including Von). The Chiefs have the #1 QB, TE and HC in the league. Their DL and CB's are better than ours. Their RB runs more violently than ours. While their wrs are making plays, ours are dropping balls. No one will ever convince me Pat is better than Josh. But his total support system is worlds better than ours. 1 1 2 Quote
Comebackkid Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said: Josh Allen-elite talent Ed Oliver-elite talent Stefon Diggs-elite talent Matt Milano-elite talent James Cook-very good talent Terrell Bernard-very good talent Khalil Shakir-very good talent Christian Benford-very good talent Rasul Douglas-very good talent id put oliver in either very good or lower elite.. actually prefer very good. he gets shut down against good lines. u dont see him doing what donald was doing. Quote
Process Posted February 12 Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Josh Allen-elite talent Ed Oliver-elite talent Stefon Diggs-elite talent Matt Milano-elite talent James Cook-very good talent Terrell Bernard-very good talent Khalil Shakir-very good talent Christian Benford-very good talent Rasul Douglas-very good talent Ed Oliver is not "elite". He's had one season where he played at an elite level and in that season he was a complete no show in the playoffs. 1 Quote
Billsfanatic8989 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Mahomes>Brady Mahomes has 15 playoff wins. By age 34, he should have about 30. 3 SB MVP's Will undoubtedly win a few more league MVP's. 1 Quote
gonzo1105 Posted February 12 Author Posted February 12 Just now, JoPoy88 said: Josh Allen-elite talent Ed Oliver-elite talent Stefon Diggs-elite talent Matt Milano-elite talent James Cook-very good talent Terrell Bernard-very good talent Khalil Shakir-very good talent Christian Benford-very good talent Rasul Douglas-very good talent Patrick Mahomes- Elite Talent Travis Kelce- Elite Talent Chris Jones- Elite Talent Joe Thuney- Elite Talent Creed Humphrey- Elite Talent L'Jarius Sneed- Elite Talent Trent McDuffie- Elite Talent Harrison Butker- Elite Talent Isaiah Pacheco- Very good Talent Rashee Rice- Very Good Talent Trey Smith- Very Good Talent George Karlaftis- Very good Talent on the verge of elite (Had 10.5 sacks in year 2) Nic Bolton- Very good Talent Willie Gay- Very Good Talent This doesn't include Jawaan Taylor who I know people will B word about if I put on this list. You can list whoever you want but the Chiefs have more of it. Quote
Comebackkid Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said: Their coaches are better than ours by alot. They make perfect adjustments and play schemes that McD & Brady could only dream of. I knew they'd target 87 heavy in the 2nd half. Yet Shanahan and his DC were unprepared and kept zone cover 2. At least we can blame having 5 defensive starters out (yes I'm including Von). The Chiefs have the #1 QB, TE and HC in the league. Their DL and CB's are better than ours. Their RB runs more violently than ours. While their wrs are making plays, ours are dropping balls. No one will ever convince me Pat is better than Josh. But his total support system is worlds better than ours. I feel like we have a generic game plan maybe targeting one or two things seen on tape. cheifs and couple other teams have very team/player specific game plans. Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 6 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: I agree with you that we didn't need McDuffie. There were also a lot of rumors that the Bills wanted McDuffie and were jumped by the Chiefs. Now was that to replace Johnson or were they planning on playing McDuffie outside no one will know that if they drafted McDuffie. I think that was just people jumping to conclusions when we didn't move up for Elam until after McDuffie came off the board. The thought by some was that we liked McDuffie and Elam and were cool to stand pat, until McDuffie came off the board. At the time, I thought the same. But when I mentioned that around here at the time, posters all said the same thing - that McDuffie's a Nickel at the Pro level. Seeing as how that's how KC is using him as well (to great results), I really don't think we were looking at him to fill the role on the Outside. Nor does it make sense that we'd have spent a 1st on someone to replace Taron Johnson who was playing well already and developing at Nickel, when we had a hole on the Boundary. 1 Quote
SinceThe70s Posted February 12 Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said: I think KC winning puts even more pressure on McD for next season. How can the Bills watch the Chiefs and think what we have at HC is acceptable? Do you think what SF has at HC is acceptable? 1 Quote
PBF81 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said: I would bet the Chiefs offense will be much better next season too. It'll be tough for them to be much worse with Mahomes at the helm. They had the 15th ranked scoring offense this season, patently average. Quote
butch rolle Posted February 12 Posted February 12 10 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Josh Allen-elite talent Ed Oliver-elite talent Stefon Diggs-elite talent Matt Milano-elite talent James Cook-very good talent Terrell Bernard-very good talent Khalil Shakir-very good talent Christian Benford-very good talent Rasul Douglas-very good talent Taron Johnson is better at his position than at least half those guys. Was he an oversight or an intentional omission? 1 Quote
Jim Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Process said: Ed Oliver is not "elite". He's had one season where he played at an elite level and in that season he was a complete no show in the playoffs. Exactly. I like Ed, even though he wasn't even half as good as we needed him to be during his rookie deal. And if he wants to be considered elite, then make some *****in' plays in the playoffs, some game changing plays. Sacking Easton Stick is cute, but if he's Mr. Big Time, then its time to show us. Also, after last season when Beane said, "“I don't want to suck bad enough to get Ja'Marr Chase," it always makes me think about Ed Oliver. We sucked bad enough to have the ninth pick, and for our QB who desperately needed offensive help after having non-existent talent at the WR on the 2018 roster, we decided to give him.....Ed Oliver?!? Perhaps there wasn't enough of a playmaker at that point? Trade back! More picks to take more swings couldn't have hurt. Anyways, couldn't we have considered some kind of playmaker in the first round or two? Guess Beane and McDickhead thought Duke Williams was all we needed. And also to be fair, as a Buffalo Bill, Stef Diggs is not an elite postseason player. There are only 3 things I think of when thinking of as a Bill in the playoffs, I think of: the awesome 2-point conversion catch in KC, him yelling at Josh on the sidelines against Cincy, and him dropping an absolute dime that likely gives us the lead against the once and future champs. For all his talk, he never shows during the postseason, which is what makes his nonsense this offseason more off-putting than usual. Edited February 12 by Jim Quote
gonzo1105 Posted February 12 Author Posted February 12 1 minute ago, Jim said: Exactly. I like Ed, even though he wasn't even half as good as we needed him to be during his rookie deal. And if he wants to be considered elite, then make some *****in' plays in the playoffs, some game changing plays. Sacking Easton Stick is cute, but if he's Mr. Big Time, then its time to show us. Also, after last season when Beane said, "“I don't want to suck bad enough to get Ja'Marr Chase," it always makes me think about Ed Oliver. We sucked bad enough to have the ninth pick, and for our QB who desperately needed offensive help after having non-existent talent at the WR on the 2018 roster, we decided to give him.....Ed Oliver?!? Perhaps there wasn't enough of a playmaker at that point? Trade back! More picks to take more swings couldn't have hurt. Anyways, couldn't we have considered some kind of playmaker in the first round or two? Guess Beane and McDickhead thought Duke Williams was all we needed. And also to be fair, as a Buffalo Bill, Stef Diggs is not an elite postseason player. There are only 3 things I think of when thinking of as a Bill in the playoffs, I think of: the awesome 2-point conversion catch in KC, him yelling at Josh on the sidelines against Cincy, and him dropping an absolute dime that likely gives us the lead against the once and future champs. For all his talk, he never shows during the postseason, which is what makes his nonsense this offseason more off-putting than usual. It wasn't a good WR draft the year that we took Oliver at pick 9. The Bills were rumored to be going after TJ Hockensen if he was available but went pick 8 to the Lions. The big mistake wasn't taking a WR in Round 2 when they took Cody Ford. Thats when Deebo Samuel went 36th, AJ Brown went 51st, and if you really want to reach they could have taken D.K. Metcalf or Diontae Johnson who went early round 3. Quote
sven233 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Somebody just needs to hire Spags as their coach. They should not be allowed to have probably the best offensive mind and defensive mind in the league every season. Not that I will ever root for injuries (that's the dirt worst when people do that), but the next time they get an injury to a key player at an important time will be the first time. They are very fortunate to stay as healthy as they do. And until a defensive coordinator has the balls to stop playing petrified of Mahomes and figures out how to prevent Kelce from getting wide open at every crucial moment, they will always have that psychological edge. I mean, I know he's great, but you have an entire team to find a way to take 1 guy out of the offense and you can't do it. Nobody seems to be able to and I just don't understand it. Find a way to make someone else beat you and if they do.....hats off to them. But every single game.....every single season..... It's the same story. Teams never try jamming him, they play him one on one, or let him find the openings in a soft zone defense after giving him a free release on almost every play. It's just maddening to watch. 1 Quote
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 12 Posted February 12 5 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: It wasn't a good WR draft the year that we took Oliver at pick 9. The Bills were rumored to be going after TJ Hockensen if he was available but went pick 8 to the Lions. The big mistake wasn't taking a WR in Round 2 when they took Cody Ford. Thats when Deebo Samuel went 36th, AJ Brown went 51st, and if you really want to reach they could have taken D.K. Metcalf or Diontae Johnson who went early round 3. and then we have "Mr Irrelevant" playing a great game on the losing side tonight. It's just not that refined. not having any huge busts is good. being elite does require some mojo. Beane has done pretty well imo. Quote
gonzo1105 Posted February 12 Author Posted February 12 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: and then we have "Mr Irrelevant" playing a great game on the losing side tonight. It's just not that refined. not having any huge busts is good. being elite does require some mojo. Beane has done pretty well imo. I don't disagree, Beane has made this team arguably at top 5 in the NFL its just the guy drafting for the Chiefs has done a better job. Thats not a knock on Beane but Veach is arguably the best GM in the league which also adds to Reid/Spags/Mahomes combo 1 Quote
Low Positive Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Folks, you want to get concerned? The Bengals will play a 4th place schedule next year. And they're running it back with a (presumably) healthy Joe Burrow. I know that we struggle to beat KC in the playoffs, but the Bills don't even compete with the Joe Burrow Bengals. 1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said: I don't disagree, Beane has made this team arguably at top 5 in the NFL its just the guy drafting for the Chiefs has done a better job. Thats not a knock on Beane but Veach is arguably the best GM in the league which also adds to Reid/Spags/Mahomes combo They Chiefs took CEH and Skyy Moore with high draft picks. Every GM has busts. Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.