gonzo1105 Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 Just now, Paup 1995MVP said: Taron Johnson is nowhere near the cover CB that McDuffie is. His technique is not that good. He is a tough smart player. And a great tackler. But not at the same level in coverage as McDuffie I fully agree with this. To me if McDuffie is 1 and Johnson is 2 than there is a big gap between 1 and 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 It's more coaching over talent IMO. Perhaps Mahomes is the ultimate difference if we are talking talent. But Spags and Reid are all time greats at their craft. The Bills don't have a bunch of bums on the roster. I'm not buying that Diggs suddenly fell off a cliff mid-way through the season when prior he was having a career year. The exact same thing happened in 2022. Obviously, his skills didn't diminish in 2022 if he started 2023 off with a bang. Something else is going on there. Roster wise, I think the Bills had a great secondary but got banged up. They had an elite LB core but by the end of the season they lost both starting LB's. The Bills o-line was certainly good enough and I think James Cook, even with his drops is a weapon that most teams would covet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Mahomes is very good but Andy Reid is a mastermind as a play caller. People complained all year about their WR core not being good enough and in the end it didn’t matter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Guess this means Allen is gonna have to win 4 straight SBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 51 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: First lets start by saying I hate their guts if only because of how good they are every year and they most years eliminate our Buffalo Bills. I will also fully recognize that probably this post will get crapped on by most Bills fans but the truth hurts sometimes. This post will be an extension of another poster bringing it up but the reason why the Chiefs win every year is because they have the most top end players and coaching in the league and they always show up when the lights are the brightest. Patrick Mahomes- Is the best QB in the league. Comes through 95% of the time with the game on the line and very rarely fails come playoff time. Josh Allen is a very close 2nd but doesn't have the supporting cast that he does. Creed Humphrey/Joe Thuney, Trey Smith- Individually 2 out of the 3 could be in the argument for the best Center and Guard at their positions in the league and collectively are definitely the best interior line in football. Travis Kelce- Maybe not the best TE this season and was shut down very early in the Super Bowl but as the game rolled on there was his presence. No bigger than the 22 yard scamper down the sideline to tie the game at the end of regulation. 9 catches for 93 yards. Chris Jones- Maybe not huge on the stat line tonight but affected the pass and run game all night for the Chiefs. Makes the QB get off their mark. Cost the Bills at go ahead TD in the divisional game, harrassed Jackson and Purdy in both of the other games. Trent McDuffie- All over the field making tons of plays and have sticky coverage. He might be the best slot CB in the league and he is still very young. Played great tonight. L'Jarius Sneed- For the most part was good tonight besides giving up the TD to Jennings which was even still pretty good coverage. Gave up 1 TD all season long and could arguably considered the best outside CB in the NFL. Harrison Butker- Guy has been as good if not better than Justin Tucker these last couple of seasons and there he was again tonight burying at 57 yards FG and then hitting the 28 yarder to get the game into OT. Tucker probably still the best Kicker but to me its 1A and 1B. Andy Reid/Steve Spagnuolo- They continue to make adjustments at halftime and win games for their team. Spagnuolo was getting gashed early in the game in multiple ways but essentially shut down the 49ers offense in the 2nd half. The Chiefs also held the Bills to 7 second half points and completely shut down the Ravens in the AFC title game. This doesn't even include the plethora of really good other players that they have including Pacheco, Rice, Karlaftis, Nnadi, Bolton, Gay, Justin Reid, and Townsend. To me for the Bills, to get to the Chiefs level, they need to acquire more high end talent. It is simply amazing to me that Josh Allen has almost single handedly willed this Bills franchise to wins against the Chiefs in the playoffs. The Bills have talented players besides Allen but not to the level that the Chiefs. You can argue for Bills guys sure but at most positions the Chiefs have a guy who is better with the exception of LB and WR. The Chiefs let the highest of high end talent walk. And won 2 SuperBowls. Yes you’re definitely smart though give us another 1200 words. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: They did miss Thuney tonight. And they lost a Superbowl by virtue of being down both tackles. But sure they have stayed pretty healthy overall for their post season runs. They keep winning because top to bottom they are the best. A great GM, the best QB, with a very good collection of key pieces around him and a future HoF coach. Not disagreeing with any of this but what's missing for me is the props for the KC defense. Pretty sure they didn't give up 30 all year. Underrated part of their success this year imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 22 minutes ago, MJS said: Just get it done in the playoffs one of these years, please. If we get past then I know we'll win the Superbowl. Unless the next team up is the Bengals. Let's face it, the Bills match up well with the Chiefs. We are 3-3 in the last six games. The Bills, IMO, are 0-3 in the last three games against the Bengals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said: The Chiefs let the highest of high end talent walk. And won 2 SuperBowls. Yes you’re definitely smart though give us another 1200 words. I will thanks I want you to explain to me which high end talent outside of Tyreek Hill walked from their roster please share cause that all you got for me. Their roster is arguably the strongest its ever been in its entire run top to bottom. The general reasoning I'm getting is the Bills were banged up this year. I'm guessing your going to tell me the combo of Hill/Kelce/Mahomes was the reason the Bills didn't get by them in the past which then essentially what your telling me is that the Chiefs have had better talent historically and now. Which was my original point but thanks for input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 6 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said: Mahomes is very good but Andy Reid is a mastermind as a play caller. People complained all year about their WR core not being good enough and in the end it didn’t matter. Thought it reared its ugly head with mvs running like 20 yards in the wrong direction but that didn’t matter either lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said: I will thanks I want you to explain to me which high end talent outside of Tyreek Hill walked from their roster please share cause that all you got for me. Their roster is arguably the strongest its ever been in its entire run top to bottom. The general reasoning I'm getting is the Bills were banged up this year. I'm guessing your going to tell me the combo of Hill/Kelce/Mahomes was the reason the Bills didn't get by them in the past which then essentially what your telling me is that the Chiefs have had better talent historically and now. Which was my original point but thanks for input. You want me to explain “outside of Hill” how they let top 3 talent walk and still won? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 11 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: Not disagreeing with any of this but what's missing for me is the props for the KC defense. Pretty sure they didn't give up 30 all year. Underrated part of their success this year imo. The fact that it’s underrated somehow is a criminal indictment of football fans overall lol. They were fantastic all year but people talk about football like it’s qb vs qb and nothing else matters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said: The fact that it’s underrated somehow is a criminal indictment of football fans overall lol. They were fantastic all year but people talk about football like it’s qb vs qb and nothing else matters Yes, this is why I wanted to point out the whole roster discrepancies. Coaching and ST's alone is a huge undeniable difference. I think we can all agree on that. Offensively both teams are going to score that is also established. I think defensively when push comes to shove the Chiefs are better. So literally 3 out of the 4 phases favor the Chiefs right now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 12 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Unless the next team up is the Bengals. Let's face it, the Bills match up well with the Chiefs. We are 3-3 in the last six games. The Bills, IMO, are 0-3 in the last three games against the Bengals. People talk about huge regular season games like they mean nothing and neither team actually is giving their best effort to win 😂. Bills and chiefs are about even and the results show it.. 3-3 in last six with two insanely close playoff games that could’ve easily gone either way.. I personally think the bills have the better roster full strength which has upset gonzo haha chiefs def are better coached though although Brady seemed to stump spagnuolo in the last matchup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 You forgot the lucky horseshoe shoved up Pat the Rat's ass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 5 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Yes, this is why I wanted to point out the whole roster discrepancies. Coaching and ST's alone is a huge undeniable difference. I think we can all agree on that. Offensively both teams are going to score that is also established. I think defensively when push comes to shove the Chiefs are better. So literally 3 out of the 4 phases favor the Chiefs right now. Coaching oh yea…can’t disagree with you there. I do think Brady stumped spags a bit in the last matchup but even when we’re not ravaged at LB mahomes hasn’t had too much trouble against our scheme outside of an outlier game our offense controlled the game so well in that playoff game that it almost played good enough defense to win the game 😂. Edited February 12 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Taron Johnson is nowhere near the cover CB that McDuffie is. His technique is not that good. He is a tough smart player. And a great tackler. But not at the same level in coverage as McDuffie 30 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: I fully agree with this. To me if McDuffie is 1 and Johnson is 2 than there is a big gap between 1 and 2. I was commenting on someone discussing how upset they were that the Chiefs got McDuffie and we got Elam and the picks turned out the way they did. Regardless of what either of you think regarding McDuffie v. Taron (even if McDuffie is better, Taron was better than 30/31 other Nickels this season) - Taron was already a very good Nickel when we were Drafting. And we needed to fill the hole on the Boundary replacing Levi Wallace. McDuffie wouldn't have been the pick even if he were on the board. His height and arm length always meant he'd be a Nickel. Opining over McDuffie v. Elam is like being upset over someone getting a really good Guard when we were in the market for a Tackle. Edited February 12 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Pretty much every big Chiefs game comes down to one thing. Who has the ball last. If we controlled the clock and score a TD we win. Nope, we stall and kick a FG. The SB ended the exact same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: People talk about huge regular season games like they mean nothing and neither team actually is giving their best effort to win 😂. Bills and chiefs are about even and the results show it.. 3-3 in last six with two insanely close playoff games that could’ve easily gone either way.. I personally think the bills have the better roster full strength which has upset gonzo haha chiefs def are better coached though although Brady seemed to stump spagnuolo in the last matchup I'm not upset I just want someone to explain to me how the Bills roster full strength is better. I dont think you can put Allen above Mahomes so slight edge to the Chiefs at QB or call it even Running Back- I'll give you Even Wide Receiver- Bills TE- Chiefs OT- Bills Interior OL- Chiefs DE- Chiefs DT- Chiefs LB-Bills CB- Chiefs Saf- Even K- Chiefs P- Chiefs Coaching- Chiefs So the way I look at it breaking it down, in my opinion, the Chief lead in 8/9 categories, the Bills lead in 3 areas, and 2/3 Evens. Even if you give the Bills the Evens it still 8 to 6. I just don't think you can logically look at the roster and say the Bills are better. 4 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Coaching oh yea…can’t disagree with you there. I do think Brady stumped spags a bit in the last matchup but even when we’re not ravaged at LB mahomes hasn’t had too much trouble against our scheme outside of an outlier game our offense controlled the game so well in that playoff game that it almost played good enough defense to win the game 😂. They controlled it in the first half. The Bills only scored 7 points on the Chiefs in the 2nd half of that game. 4 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I was commenting on someone discussing how upset they were that the Chiefs got McDuffie and we got Elam and the picks turned out the way they did. Regardless of what either of you think regarding McDuffie v. Taron (even if McDuffie is better, Taron was better than 30/31 other Nickels this season) - Taron was already a very good Nickel when we were Drafting. And we needed to fill the hole on the Boundary replacing Levi Wallace. McDuffie wouldn't have been the pick even if he were on the board. Opining over McDuffie v. Elam is like being upset over someone getting a really good Guard when we were in the market for a Tackle. I agree with you that we didn't need McDuffie. There were also a lot of rumors that the Bills wanted McDuffie and were jumped by the Chiefs. Now was that to replace Johnson or were they planning on playing McDuffie outside no one will know that if they drafted. McDuffie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmer323i Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 (edited) The lucky Chiefs strike again… A lucky fumble recovery on kick off followed by a cheap touchdown and a 49ers missed extra point…. Idk that’s the way I see it…. I fen hate the Chiefs with a passion and still sick to my stomach we lost to those *astards again in the playoffs Edited February 12 by Bimmer323i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: There it is. Yep. Their offense is not why they won the SB this season. The story of their season was the defense it was the first words out of Reid’s and Mahomes mouth in postgame. but...when the O has to step up in a big end of game moment..they get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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