Its Pretty Obvious why the Chiefs win every year

[Matt_In_NH]

14 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Of course. Klein clearly could not play the position but McDermott went with the known option. He was afraid the rookie would be too inexperienced. By coaching not to lose, he lost. That's what happens.

 

Perhaps Williams would have been a disaster, although late in the game when he was finally on the field he made a couple plays that forced the Chiefs to punt for the first time. But putting Klein on the field gave us a 0% chance to make defensive stops. Williams gave us a chance.

We know this because no rookies play under McDermott?  For instance Torrence and Kincaid had a couple years under their belt.  The bolded is just complete speculation on your part, there is no chance he thought Klein gave them the best chance to win?   Don't answer what you think, especially based on hindsight, consider McDermott and the rest of the staff have a lot more information on each player than you do.   What about the 4th downs he went for, were those decisions playing not to lose?  Curious if you will answer that.  If you had to say the third downs given the down and distance and game situation were playing to win or playing not to lose?

 

 

 

 

[Bruffalo]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Our defensive gameplan was abysmal until it was too late. And this isn't hindsight. I said before the game put Neal on Kelce, and give Williams the nod over Klein unless he looks like a disaster out there. This finally happened on the one drive we forced a punt. I have no idea what McDermott was thinking before that.

 

Eventually our defense simply has to show up against a good opponent in the playoffs. No team is winning shootouts all the way to a Super Bowl victory.

This is why I've been onboard with a philosophical coaching change.  McDermott absolutely shreds dumpster to good QBs, but he's just too rigid when we're playing a quality offense. I think McDermott is good coach, top ten even in the NFL, but if you aren't elevating your defense in the big time games in January then you're just deadweight.

 

Chris Jones comes alive in the playoffs, a straight up wrecking ball, why don't any of our guys do anything remotely similar? On defense they shrink fast, at least Allen steps up in those critical moments. 

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, Matt_In_NH said:

The bolded is just complete speculation on your part, there is no chance he thought Klein gave them the best chance to win?

 

I am sure he thought Klein gave him the best chance to not lose. He was wrong. It was a cowardly personnel decision that sunk the defense.

 

3 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

What about the 4th downs he went for, were those decisions playing not to lose?  Curious if you will answer that.

 

I've never had an issue with McDermott's 4th down decision making. Overall I think it is one of his strengths as a coach. He's aggressive when it makes sense and conservative when it makes sense.

 

But that doesn't absolve him of the various personnel mistakes he made in his defensive game plan.

 

I mean how many more times does his defense have to be abused by good offenses in the playoffs before we accept that he just isn't a good enough defensive coach? He regularly allows offenses to have one of their best offensive performances of the year in the playoffs. It's a trend, not a one-year blip.

[since79]

2 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Chris Jones comes alive in the playoffs, a straight up wrecking ball, why don't any of our guys do anything remotely similar? On defense they shrink fast, at least Allen steps up in those critical moments. 

We take them out of the game because we fear fatigue and a rotation of inferior linemen will do better.  You watch KC play wit 4-5 guys the whole game.  Do any of the Watts or Bosa's come out for a substantial part of the game on the teams they are on. We don't have one of them but how do you know when players are not given the same number of opportunities. Determine who is your best, leave them to gain endurance during the season and roll with them in the playoffs.  The best d linemen in the league save a gear for when it is needed. Part of it is the guy they are going against is lulled to sleep and then boom they make a play when needed.  

[billsbackto81]

16 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

First lets start by saying I hate their guts 

 

 

 

Patrick Mahomes- Is the best QB in the league. Comes through 95% of the time with the game on the line and very rarely fails come playoff time. .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yeah, I hate them too. I just don't get it sometimes.  Ever see Patrick without a shirt on? He's got the physique of a soccer mom on PEDs. Yet he goes out there and dominates like no one b4 him. God I really dislike him. Why couldn't Buffalo have an Andy Reid for JA? 

16 hours ago, Doc said:

Coaching.  Reid is one of the, if not the best offensive minds in the game.  Decades of honing his craft.  

 

 

 

Yeah? Well where was he before Mahomes? Just like Belicheck, you need the stud QB to put all that know how into play. Good coach who Mahomes made a HOF Coach. 

[DrDawkinstein]

I havent gone through all 10 pages yet, but...

 

Has anyone pointed out the clear and glaring difference between:

 

Mahomes at the end of the game with 10 seconds left KNOWING that the ball must 1. come out of his hand right away and 2. ONLY be thrown into the end zone, even with an open Rice at the 4 yard line

 

vs

 

Allen holding the ball and then throwing it short to Ty Johnson just to get stopped and lose any chance at points?

 

It's those little things... Sure Mahomes would have loved to be a hero and make that completion and let Rice try to score, but it isnt the SITUATIONAL SMART thing to do. Brady doesnt throw it to the 4 yard line. Mahomes doesnt throw it to the 4 yard line. They stick to the rubric.

[Matt_In_NH]

13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I am sure he thought Klein gave him the best chance to not lose. He was wrong. It was a cowardly personnel decision that sunk the defense.

 

 

I've never had an issue with McDermott's 4th down decision making. Overall I think it is one of his strengths as a coach. He's aggressive when it makes sense and conservative when it makes sense.

 

But that doesn't absolve him of the various personnel mistakes he made in his defensive game plan.

 

I mean how many more times does his defense have to be abused by good offenses in the playoffs before we accept that he just isn't a good enough defensive coach? He regularly allows offenses to have one of their best offensive performances of the year in the playoffs. It's a trend, not a one-year blip.

 

The personnel mistakes he made....in you opinion.  Just because you don't like the results does not mean he made personnel decisions that should be grouped as playing not to lose.  I just don't see that is how he coached for that game.  Just because you lose does not mean you can conclude he coached to lose.   They lost, we don't like it, I get it.  To your last paragraph about defensive performances in the playoffs, that is something else and I agree that is an issue.   Hard to not call it a trend, is it enough of a sample size to draw the types of conclusions I think you want to draw?  Not so sure about that.  What do you want to do about it?  

[Comebackkid]

7 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I understand they mean something different (playoffs vs regular season). But in terms of play on the field and coming down to the last minute/ play here play there they are in The same zip code not worlds apart. 

i think with them being almost a division oppenent as much as we have played them lately, that has helped a lot.   

but like i said earlier....the chiefs find a way to keep stepping it up when it matters regardless of how good the other team is

i think if s.f. didnt have players go down during they game they would have won though. 

[DrDawkinstein]

 

All about that coaching...

 

 

More coaching...

[since79]

Kelce kills everyone.  You cannot keep him down for the whole game.  Yesterday 1 catch in first half, 8 in the second.  On the last drive in overtime  I watched Fred Warner throw him to the ground on second down, not letting him off the line.  I thought why don't more teams do that. On the next play Warner does not get a hand on him, Kelce fakes inside, outside then back inside.  Mahomes completes a crosser to him for the first down inside the 10 to set up the TD.  One of the best linebackers in the league was embarrassed on the play.  No one else picked him up as he crossed the middle.  It's like basketball you better man him and zone him like box and 1. 

Where the 49er's went wrong, they got away from their goto guy McCaffery until the drive to take the 3 point lead and also in overtime.  One the 4th quarter drive they exhaust him, he takes himself out and his replacement gets a run called back for a hold on the edge.  Forced a field goal there instead of a TD chance. 

[Matt_In_NH]

1 minute ago, Comebackkid said:

i think with them being almost a division oppenent as much as we have played them lately, that has helped a lot.   

but like i said earlier....the chiefs find a way to keep stepping it up when it matters regardless of how good the other team is

i think if s.f. didnt have players go down during they game they would have won though. 

 

Don't love a lot of Chris Brown's takes but he said something after the loss that resonated with me.  It was something like "what if we are in the Michael Jordan era and the Bills are the Knicks".  I agree with you, they just find a way to win.  THe Bills find a way to win most games but when it has mattered against that team they have not.   But when I really look at the last two losses, 13 seconds was a coaching disaster, the players won the game and the coaches lost it.  This last one they made one or two plays the Bills did not.  Butger does not miss, Bass did. Chris Jones walked Dawkins into Josh, etc.   It was that close so even though the Chiefs are a dynasty and all that I cant help but go back to how close these games were/are.  No one can convince me the Bills cant beat them.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Matt_In_NH said:

 

Don't love a lot of Chris Brown's takes but he said something after the loss that resonated with me.  It was something like "what if we are in the Michael Jordan era and the Bills are the Knicks".  I agree with you, they just find a way to win.  THe Bills find a way to win most games but when it has mattered against that team they have not.   But when I really look at the last two losses, 13 seconds was a coaching disaster, the players won the game and the coaches lost it.  This last one they made one or two plays the Bills did not.  Butger does not miss, Bass did. Chris Jones walked Dawkins into Josh, etc.   It was that close so even though the Chiefs are a dynasty and all that I cant help but go back to how close these games were/are.  No one can convince me the Bills cant beat them.

 

Luckily for us the NFL is almost nothing like the NBA. Jordan didnt come off the court when the other team had the ball.

 

Even with Brady's 20 year dynasty run, there was still that 2008-2016ish time frame where the Pats didnt win, and mostly didnt even make it to, a Super Bowl.

 

There should be opportunity for the Bills with Allen to pull one off, even with the Mahomes/Chiefs dynasty in full swing.

[BillsPride12]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Luckily for us the NFL is almost nothing like the NBA. Jordan didnt come off the court when the other team had the ball.

 

Even with Brady's 20 year dynasty run, there was still that 2008-2016ish time frame where the Pats didnt win, and mostly didnt even make it to, a Super Bowl.

 

There should be opportunity for the Bills with Allen to pull one off, even with the Mahomes/Chiefs dynasty in full swing.

Yeah but the scary part is the Knicks couldn't get past the Houston Rockets(Cincy maybe?) either 

[Comebackkid]

16 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

 

Don't love a lot of Chris Brown's takes but he said something after the loss that resonated with me.  It was something like "what if we are in the Michael Jordan era and the Bills are the Knicks".  I agree with you, they just find a way to win.  THe Bills find a way to win most games but when it has mattered against that team they have not.   But when I really look at the last two losses, 13 seconds was a coaching disaster, the players won the game and the coaches lost it.  This last one they made one or two plays the Bills did not.  Butger does not miss, Bass did. Chris Jones walked Dawkins into Josh, etc.   It was that close so even though the Chiefs are a dynasty and all that I cant help but go back to how close these games were/are.  No one can convince me the Bills cant beat them.

they can win...   but the bills are going to have to figure out how to come up big in big moments better.   

its like building a race car...u need the motor...all the right parts in the motor that work together, then the trans at the right 

stall speed and the chassis to harness that power and the tires and the air pressure for the track and weather conditions.

then you need the driver and you need all these things to work perfectly together and better than anyone elses on that occasion to win.

the bills need to get better at getting every thing dialed in and working together.  for a full game.   

[PauleeeWalnuts]

Yeah they play the Bills every year 

[frostbitmic]

20 hours ago, billykay said:

Speaking of coaching, I haven't seen anyone talking about SF coaching at the end of the first half. Chiefs were in the red zone and winding the clock down. Why didn't SF use their time outs ? They could have gotten the ball back with approximately a minute and a half left. In stead they got the K.O. with 3 seconds left. If our coach did that, we all would be bashing him here on TBD.

Shannahan falls apart in the Super Bowl. He has come up short twice against Mahomes and Reid as a HC and as an OC he blew the Falcons chance of beating Brady.

[Mark80]

22 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Putting AJ Klein on the field over Dorian Williams. Unfortunately that decision sunk our chances of winning the game. McDermott chose the safe comfortable option and we proceeded to get whipped up and down the field because of it.

 

 

Because Allen has outplayed Mahomes in every head to head matchup since 2021. The QB is important enough to overcome every other disadvantage. If Mahomes had outplayed Allen one of those times it would have been a blowout loss.

 

Well, OP's original post which I was commenting on clearly states that Patrick Mahomes is superior to Josh Allen along with all the other top end talent and the coaching staff.  As I stated, this argument is illogical.  Something has to give.

[jkeerie]

20 hours ago, since79 said:

Kelce kills everyone.  You cannot keep him down for the whole game.  Yesterday 1 catch in first half, 8 in the second.  On the last drive in overtime  I watched Fred Warner throw him to the ground on second down, not letting him off the line.  I thought why don't more teams do that. On the next play Warner does not get a hand on him, Kelce fakes inside, outside then back inside.  Mahomes completes a crosser to him for the first down inside the 10 to set up the TD.  One of the best linebackers in the league was embarrassed on the play.  No one else picked him up as he crossed the middle.  It's like basketball you better man him and zone him like box and 1. 

Where the 49er's went wrong, they got away from their goto guy McCaffery until the drive to take the 3 point lead and also in overtime.  One the 4th quarter drive they exhaust him, he takes himself out and his replacement gets a run called back for a hold on the edge.  Forced a field goal there instead of a TD chance. 

This is spot on!  Mahomes gets the credit.  He's a great QB...and in the first half...because Kelce was buttoned up, he was ineffective.  In the second half, when Kelce got open, Mahomes was suddenly the greatest again.  Kelce is the real difference maker on that offense.  Chris Jones is on the defense.

 

And Shanahan was the weak link on SF.  He does this all the time, putting the emphasis on passing the ball, even when running the ball was effective.  His play calling after the interception was awful.  SF needed to be up by a wider margin so that fluke plays, like the muffed punt, wouldn't be so critical.  

 

KC has won 3 SBs...two versus SF under Shanahan.  Enough said.  The Chiefs are the champs.  Give them their due.  However, it's not like they are annihilating teams.  Their wins are by narrow margins, and it usually involves a lucky play or two.  

 

 

[Paup 1995MVP]

On 2/12/2024 at 12:38 AM, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

 

I was commenting on someone discussing how upset they were that the Chiefs got McDuffie and we got Elam and the picks turned out the way they did.

 

Regardless of what either of you think regarding McDuffie v. Taron (even if McDuffie is better, Taron was better than 30/31 other Nickels this season) - Taron was already a very good Nickel when we were Drafting.

 

And we needed to fill the hole on the Boundary replacing Levi Wallace. McDuffie wouldn't have been the pick even if he were on the board. His height and arm length always meant he'd be a Nickel.

 

Opining over McDuffie v. Elam is like being upset over someone getting a really good Guard when we were in the market for a Tackle.

I think Elam still has some potential to be a very good corner in the NFL.  He has shown spurts of really good play.  Hopefully this offseason he can really focus in mentally on what he needs to do to be a starting CB in the NFL.  If he can raise the level of his game, having him Rasul Benford, maybe Dane and Tre, and that's a hell of a group of boundary CB's.

[MrEpsYtown]

Mahomes, the interior OL, Chris Jones, and the coaches. The bottom line is that there are two ways to beat Mahomes, you either have to outscore them or sack him. The 49ers were getting to him early in the game, but once the refs established that they were not going to call holding on the KC o-line under any circumstances, the game was decided. The 49ers had built a lead and would have had to play perfect football to pull it off, and they didn't. 

 

That is my gripe with this year's playoffs. They just pretty much stopped calling offensive holding on KC and that makes it almost impossible to beat Mahomes. It was the same with Brady and the Pats. If you didn't get to him rushing 4 you were done. If you are going to let the OL hold, you can't beat them.