HappyDays Posted February 12 Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: That’s fine. I would prefer to have the best QB in football. I don’t think it’s crazy. I love Josh. I think he’ll win in Buffalo. But the biggest mistake the Bills ever made was trading Mahomes to a team that would stand in our way every postseason. The biggest benefit to drafting Mahomes is that we would no longer have to play Mahomes. Here's a question and I'm genuinely curious to hear your answer. In our playoff game against the Chiefs from this year, pretend you have the option of making one of these trades: Allen for Mahomes Kincaid for Kelce Oliver for Jones Klein for Bolton In order from most impactful to least impactful how would you rank them? Here's mine: 1) Kincaid for Kelce 2) Oliver for Jones 3) Klein for Bolton 4) Allen for Mahomes Personally I believe if you switched either of the first 2 we would have won. I'm inclined to say the same about #3 but not quite as sure. #4 I 100% believe makes no difference if everything else remains the same. 1 1 Quote
JoPoy88 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 12 minutes ago, Calidiehard said: No. Mahomes wouldn't have become who he is without the team and coaching he had from the beginning. lol sure. You can say that with nothing to compare it to. Again the ridiculous BS around here is astonishing. Glad the season’s over. 1 Quote
Richard Noggin Posted February 12 Posted February 12 10 minutes ago, FireChans said: Brady is a system QB, Belichick made him! He’d be nothing without Belichick - Brady haters in 2012, who also no longer exist. Oh, but I still hate Brady on so many levels right now in 2024. And I exist. Quote
TNBills Posted February 12 Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: I’m not saying you did. I’m saying a lot of people tried to minimize the greatness of the previous GOAT while he was playing. And you are doing the same thing to Mahomes now. I feel the same way about Mahomes as I did Brady. They are very lucky to be in the situation they are. Stars have aligned to help them out. Whe. Brady needed his defense to be great they usually were. Mahomes is getting the same right now as his paly has slipped. He hasn't had to be great the last 2 years like he was the 3 before. Quote
Mikie2times Posted February 12 Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Here's a question and I'm genuinely curious to hear your answer. In our playoff game against the Chiefs from this year, pretend you have the option of making one of these trades: Allen for Mahomes Kincaid for Kelce Oliver for Jones Klein for Bolton In order from most impactful to least impactful how would you rank them? Here's mine: 1) Kincaid for Kelce 2) Oliver for Jones 3) Klein for Bolton 4) Allen for Mahomes Personally I believe if you switched either of the first 2 we would have won. I'm inclined to say the same about #3 but not quite as sure. #4 I 100% believe makes no difference if everything else remains the same. Do you think Mahomes scores on the last drive? Quote
TNBills Posted February 12 Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: lol sure. You can say that with nothing to compare it to. Again the ridiculous BS around here is astonishing. Glad the season’s over. What can you say to compare that he would? He has yet to play a game without a future hall of fame player or coach. We will see at some point. Quote
FireChans Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Here's a question and I'm genuinely curious to hear your answer. In our playoff game against the Chiefs from this year, pretend you have the option of making one of these trades: Allen for Mahomes Kincaid for Kelce Oliver for Jones Klein for Bolton In order from most impactful to least impactful how would you rank them? Here's mine: 1) Kincaid for Kelce 2) Oliver for Jones 3) Klein for Bolton 4) Allen for Mahomes Personally I believe if you switched either of the first 2 we would have won. I'm inclined to say the same about #3 but not quite as sure. #4 I 100% believe makes no difference if everything else remains the same. That’s VERY tough. I’d say: Klein for Bolton (by virtue of Klein probably having the worst individual game of any Bills defender in 2023) Allen for Mahomes Kincaid for Kelce (to me this matters less by virtue of Klein/Bolton up top. I think Kincaid drops a big catch and yardage total if Klein is on him all game.) Oliver for Jones (as good of a play Jones made in the late stages, it was one play on second down, which admittedly was one play more than Oliver made.) Edited February 12 by FireChans Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted February 12 Posted February 12 7 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Here's a question and I'm genuinely curious to hear your answer. In our playoff game against the Chiefs from this year, pretend you have the option of making one of these trades: Allen for Mahomes Kincaid for Kelce Oliver for Jones Klein for Bolton In order from most impactful to least impactful how would you rank them? Here's mine: 1) Kincaid for Kelce 2) Oliver for Jones 3) Klein for Bolton 4) Allen for Mahomes Personally I believe if you switched either of the first 2 we would have won. I'm inclined to say the same about #3 but not quite as sure. #4 I 100% believe makes no difference if everything else remains the same. The only trade I would make is McDermott for Reid. Reid hires Spags and Josh easily has 2 rings. 1 2 1 Quote
JoPoy88 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Just now, Calidiehard said: What can you say to compare that he would? He has yet to play a game without a future hall of fame player or coach. We will see at some point. So we’re waiting for a hall of famer to walk through and play for a season or two now? Quote
FireChans Posted February 12 Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, Calidiehard said: I feel the same way about Mahomes as I did Brady. They are very lucky to be in the situation they are. Stars have aligned to help them out. Whe. Brady needed his defense to be great they usually were. Mahomes is getting the same right now as his paly has slipped. He hasn't had to be great the last 2 years like he was the 3 before. Yep, they just have 10 SB’s between them because they are lucky lol Quote
Since1981 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said: The only trade I would make is McDermott for Reid. Reid hires Spags and Josh easily has 2 rings. I’m a firm believer that coach is 4 pts in playoff games. I just don’t see our coach crew at the top 15 level. ST= who? DC = none OC = promoted as last man standing HC = The clapper. The lights turn off when he claps under presser. Quote
JoPoy88 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Jesus Christ. Allen is awesome. Top 2 QB 8in the league right now. I am beyond glad we took him over Rosen, or even Jackson. The Bills still f*ed up passing on Mahomes. That’s a fact and whatever you homers want to deflect or disassociate that’s fine. 1 1 Quote
TNBills Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Yep, they just have 10 SB’s between them because they are lucky lol Didn't say lucky, said they have benefited from having a great team and coach around them. In comparison to say Josh, He can play great, but when has his defense stepped up and made a play in the post season when needed against the Chiefs? 1 1 Quote
HappyDays Posted February 12 Posted February 12 9 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Do you think Mahomes scores on the last drive? I don't believe Mahomes would have scored enough times to have us in that position to begin with. Allen playing at his very best is better than Mahomes. For like 3.5 quarters Allen was at his very best in that game, and that's the only reason we even had a chance at the end. The kind of adversity Mahomes faced tonight in the 1st 3 quarters, that's what Allen was up against in the divisional round. Unlike Mahomes he kept finding a way to will his offense down the field and put points on the board. So no if anything I think switching Allen for Mahomes in that game leads to a worse outcome for us. 1 Quote
Mikie2times Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: I don't believe Mahomes would have scored enough times to have us in that position to begin with. Allen playing at his very best is better than Mahomes. For like 3.5 quarters Allen was at his very best in that game, and that's the only reason we even had a chance at the end. The kind of adversity Mahomes faced tonight in the 1st 3 quarters, that's what Allen was up against in the divisional round. Unlike Mahomes he kept finding a way to will his offense down the field and put points on the board. So no if anything I think switching Allen for Mahomes in that game leads to a worse outcome for us. We had the ball last and didn't score. 1 Quote
90sBills Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Here we go folks. It's starting. Everybody is going to spend the next 8 months ignoring what they watched with their own eyes and boil it all down to one player. My own eyes just saw Mahomes led his team on a Superbowl winning drive…again. Quote
Governor Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Just now, 90sBills said: My own eyes just saw Mahomes led his team on a Superbowl winning drive…again. I mean, he basically took over the game and won. 1 Quote
T.E. Posted February 12 Posted February 12 I don't think it's too big of a homer opinion to say that giving Allen Reid and Kelce and Chris Jones turns the tide in virtually every playoff game we lost during the Allen tenure. 1 Quote
HappyDays Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) 22 minutes ago, FireChans said: That’s VERY tough. I’d say: Klein for Bolton (by virtue of Klein probably having the worst individual game of any Bills defender in 2023) Allen for Mahomes Kincaid for Kelce (to me this matters less by virtue of Klein/Bolton up top. I think Kincaid drops a big catch and yardage total if Klein is on him all game.) Oliver for Jones (as good of a play Jones made in the late stages, it was one play on second down, which admittedly was one play more than Oliver made.) Here's another one for you. Let me know if you disagree with any of these statements. In that divisional round, the following groups performed better for the listed team: RB - Wash WR - Chiefs TE - Chiefs OL - Chiefs (slight lean, if you want to call it a wash I won't argue) DL - Chiefs LB - Chiefs Secondary - Chiefs Special teams - Chiefs Coaching - Chiefs Are we on the same page here? I'll assume we are with maybe one or two groups switching to a wash. So help me out here - Assume you're correct that the Chiefs QB also outplayed the Bills QB. How is it that a team where just about every possible factor was better than their opponent, and their opponent had no such advantages, only won by 3 points? That seems impossible. Unless of course their opponent did have an advantage somewhere, perhaps at the most important position on the team? 9 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: I don't think it's too big of a homer opinion to say that giving Allen Reid and Kelce and Chris Jones turns the tide in virtually every playoff game we lost during the Allen tenure. Lol of course that isn't a homer opinion. That is a plain fact. Edited February 12 by HappyDays 1 Quote
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