McDermott’s Learning Curve

[Mr. WEO]

this is so fresh....

[Thrivefourfive]

7 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Cool. So what’s your solution? Who’s the replacement? 

My solution is Ben Johnson. What’s yours?

[Ga boy]

Moderators:  Can we create a sub forum for fire the coach.  It’s worthy of its own sub forum.  

[JoPoy88]

2 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

My solution is Ben Johnson. What’s yours?

okay. Based on what? Certainly not past experience, he has none as a head coach. 
 

I have no proposed solution because I don’t agree with these wailings from you and the various others here who post these threads almost daily.

[Roundybout]

6 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

My solution is Ben Johnson. What’s yours?

The guy who didn’t get a job this offseason?

[Success]

All of these games are a play or 2 - w/ the exception of the Cincy game last year.  But that was a team that was emotionally exhausted.

 

I've gone back & forth on McD, but he's a solid coach. And that's a really good thing to have.  Watching the playoffs and the regular season, there is so much bad coaching in the league.  

 

If Chris Jones, gets to Allen a half second later, we're probably playing today.

 

And Reid used to be viewed the same way in Philly.  Good enough to get a team just so far - but not able to get over the final hump.  He got further in those years, but Philly fans still wanted him out.  Now, he's widely considered the best coach in the league.

 

[The Jokeman]

6 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

My solution is Ben Johnson. What’s yours?

And who do we have as DC and OC?

[Thrivefourfive]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

And who do we have as DC and OC?

Ask Ben Johnson.

[Thrivefourfive]

3 minutes ago, Success said:

All of these games are a play or 2 - w/ the exception of the Cincy game last year.  But that was a team that was emotionally exhausted.

 

I've gone back & forth on McD, but he's a solid coach. And that's a really good thing to have.  Watching the playoffs and the regular season, there is so much bad coaching in the league.  

 

If Chris Jones, gets to Allen a half second later, we're probably playing today.

 

And Reid used to be viewed the same way in Philly.  Good enough to get a team just so far - but not able to get over the final hump.  He got further in those years, but Philly fans still wanted him out.  Now, he's widely considered the best coach in the league.

 

One year, Philly was flying and NcNabb was breaking records until he got knocked out for the season. Another, TO got twisted up and wasn’t 100% in the Super Bowl. 
 

True about the Chris Jones play. Then again, if that’s a touchdown, I would bet on the Chiefs finishing that game with a game winning drive. Then at Baltimore, which I really liked the Bills chances. Then against SF. 
 

My point is every game that McDermott gets in the playoffs the odds of him screwing something up rises. He does worse with more chances. He’ll do worse with more chances. We’ll see this for as long as he’s here. 

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Thrivefourfive said:

Ask Ben Johnson.

That's my issue, what if Johnson brings in a 3-4 DC like John Fox. Not going to help when like Oliver is best in a 4 man alignment.

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, Bills Bud said:

He needs to go, hasn’t learned in 7 years here

I see this a lot and while I agree, many said the same thing about Andy Reid in Philly and he’s coaching in his 4th Super Bowl in KC tonight and 5th overall. 
 

McDermott is a good coach. I think he is fully capable of getting the team to the big dance. I’m excited to see some new coordinators next year 

[Draconator]

How many general managers can be on one message board?

[Albany,n.y.]

29 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

My solution is Ben Johnson. What’s yours?

Anyone who proposes a 1st time head coach needs to understand that in the history of the Bills franchise, the ONLY successful head coach who was never a pro football head coach before taking the Bills job is McDermott. 8 1st time head coaches failed before McDermott.  So, the historical odds are 11% that a 1st time HC will succeed in Buffalo.  Now if anyone wants to calculate the NFL percentage be my guest.  Before McDermott, the 4 top coaches in Bills history all had prior AFL or NFL head coaching experience.  Also, in the history of the Super Bowl, no coach has ever won it with 2 different franchises, so you also might not want former SB winners either.  

McDermott's record in the playoffs is mainly due to the Reid/Mahomes monster in KC.  They've also been successful in stopping the 15 other AFC teams too in 3 of the last 4 years.  

[Zona]

Listening to the pregame, and they just mentioned that Andy Reid didn't win his first super bowl until his 21st year.  I hope McD doesn't take that long. 

[H2o]

"Get out of my way, I have a fresh take on McDermott!!!"

[Flipnmi]

3 hours ago, Thrivefourfive said:

I hope we all like watching grass grow and paint dry.

 

When is it going to be time to move on from this coach? I appreciate who he is, and what his MO is, but things are not pointing towards a Super Bowl victory with him at the helm. 
 

I could be mistaken, but I believe that McDermott’s biggest (and only?) adjustment to his conservative nature is calling a more aggressive game in the recent playoff loss to the Chiefs. I didn’t see it, but okay. That’s a painfully slow learning curve. At this pace, he may figure out how to actually call a WINNING game on Super Bowl Sunday sometime in the 2040s. 
 

How many more super quarterbacks and excellent HCs will come along during that time to put McDermott down every year…
 

It is not happening with McDermott. He ended the drought, he got this franchise to a very consistent winning tier. But there are obvious limitations that he’ll most likely never overcome. 
 

It’s very very difficult to win a Super Bowl. A lot of things must align. You can’t have a head coach that is a liability when/if you ever get the chances to bring it all home. Every step of the way with McDermott he is always one or multiple steps behind what it takes to punch through. The longer he is here, the longer we wait (too patiently imo) for the trophy. 

You guys are both exhausting and nauseating.  You obviously have the right to your opinion, but how about coming up with a new and interesting topic instead of just beating this one to death (again). It seems you just haven’t realized that Sean isn’t going anywhere no matter how many times you demand it.  I also strongly believe that the majority of Bills fans support Sean and it’s only a very loud minority that is keeping this discussion alive.

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, Thrivefourfive said:

I hope we all like watching grass grow and paint dry.

 

When is it going to be time to move on from this coach? I appreciate who he is, and what his MO is, but things are not pointing towards a Super Bowl victory with him at the helm. 
 

I could be mistaken, but I believe that McDermott’s biggest (and only?) adjustment to his conservative nature is calling a more aggressive game in the recent playoff loss to the Chiefs. I didn’t see it, but okay. That’s a painfully slow learning curve. At this pace, he may figure out how to actually call a WINNING game on Super Bowl Sunday sometime in the 2040s. 
 

How many more super quarterbacks and excellent HCs will come along during that time to put McDermott down every year…
 

It is not happening with McDermott. He ended the drought, he got this franchise to a very consistent winning tier. But there are obvious limitations that he’ll most likely never overcome. 
 

It’s very very difficult to win a Super Bowl. A lot of things must align. You can’t have a head coach that is a liability when/if you ever get the chances to bring it all home. Every step of the way with McDermott he is always one or multiple steps behind what it takes to punch through. The longer he is here, the longer we wait (too patiently imo) for the trophy. 

This has to be the one hundred and fiftieth thread on how McDermott isn’t the answer…, try harder for your next thread start.., 

[Augie]

54 minutes ago, Ga boy said:

Moderators:  Can we create a sub forum for fire the coach.  It’s worthy of its own sub forum.  

 

Be warned, it might get lonely in here.   😋

 

Hiring a Ben Johnson sounds great, but he’s not been a HC before. There is always the risk he’s one of the guys who is a great coordinator, but not a good head coach. It’s always a gamble. And if you want to say that is true of McD, that’s fine. But he does seem like a legit leader of men. 

 

I have zero control over this, so I can’t get too worked up about it. 

[BattlinBill]

And another McDermott thread, guess the last couple hundred or so weren't enough for you to go cry in.... 😢 

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, Beast said:

Believe it or not, he is one of the more aggressive coaches as far as 4th downs go in the league for the past three seasons….so the conservative argument you are portraying is incorrect.

He definitely is aggressive, there have been times when it's felt like he got conservative maybe earlier in the season but now I think that's just the offensive problems we ran into midseason.

 

But the very clear and obvious evidence of him being aggressive is, and while it was probably the decision I hated the most that game, the fake punt against the Chiefs in the Divisional game. I mean he handed the ***** ball to Damar Hamlin on 4th down like a ***** mad man and we're saying he's not aggressive?