NFL MVP

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Have 5 finalists and let the fans vote

They let the fans vote for the pro bowl and look how that turns out

[DapperCam]

7 minutes ago, BananaB said:

They let the fans vote for the pro bowl and look how that turns out

Fans only count for 1/3 of the pro bowl vote. Coaches and players make up the other 2/3. I think the screwy pro bowl results are actually players and coaches voting for their buddies, and not voting for other players they aren't fond of.

[SaulGoodman]

37 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The niners don't stand a chance.  Spags will make Purdy's life miserable.  Kelce will push off like Gronk and always be open.  KC's oline will be allowed to hold all day.  Mahomes will scramble and make off script plays. And the extra $350 million dollars that the NFL has generated since Swift hooked up with Travis will be fulfilled. Mahomes will become the NFL's new Brady love child. And everyone else will just be chasing.  

 

Jawaan Taylor was flagged as many times this year as all four years in Jax combined. 

 

If the NFL is pushing KC across the finish line, they have a strange way of showing it. Numerous TDs were taken off the board throughout the year, including two in the playoffs (they were the only team to have even 1 TD negated in the postseason), and they had the 2nd-highest penalty differential. Meanwhile, their opponents were the 2nd least-penalized. 

 

 

[BananaB]

Just now, DapperCam said:

Fans only count for 1/3 of the pro bowl vote. Coaches and players make up the other 2/3. I think the screwy pro bowl results are actually players and coaches voting for their buddies, and not voting for other players they aren't fond of.

They vote for 1/3 but fans can vote as much as they want so you can’t say it’s a true vote. 

[The Jokeman]

7 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Yeah and Lamar shouldn't have won it either, but his whole reason was #1 seed and fewer turnovers, Mahomes had the 3rd seed and was what 2 turnovers behind Allen. So he literally had none of that going for him this regular season and he can join the ranks of the 9 other people who had more passing TDs than him.

 

and Allen had the worst turnover luck in the league not that anyone cared.

and in 2023 Lamar lost 11 fumbles, Allen lost 4 and Mahomes lost 5 for whatever it's worth.

Edited February 10 by The Jokeman

[MJS]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is the new definition of MVP:

 

Wow. What a joke.

[Warcodered]

Kind of sounds like he ditched the NFL awards. 🤣

[PonyBoy]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The niners don't stand a chance.  Spags will make Purdy's life miserable.  Kelce will push off like Gronk and always be open.  KC's oline will be allowed to hold all day.  Mahomes will scramble and make off script plays. And the extra $350 million dollars that the NFL has generated since Swift hooked up with Travis will be fulfilled. Mahomes will become the NFL's new Brady love child. And everyone else will just be chasing.  

 

It's hard to argue the logic of your post. 

It's the Patriots 2.0 except for the Swift stuff. Big money maker for NFL 🫤

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

I think a high ankle sprain definitely qualifies as an injury. You don't often see QBs playing well with one, if they play at all, and Mahomes was limited by it. Aside from that, KC was missing numerous players in the AFC title game and Mahomes was throwing to practice squad guys. The WR corps was mediocre at full strength, so imagine the ability of the practice squad receivers. I wouldn't say their luck was great throughout last year's run, and they didn't have much luck in 2020. Third string OL and Mahomes missed an entire half in the divisional round. 

 

KC's currently down three starters on defense, including their best edge rusher. They've also been without McKinnon and their best offensive lineman, among other contributors. Could definitely be worse, but they're not perfectly healthy. 

 

Missing a SB appearance due to Dee Ford being lined up a couple inches offside was pretty brutal luck. Plus the bobbled INT on a perfect throw in OT vs the Bengals in 2021. If the stars had consistently aligned for Mahomes, he'd have 6 SB appearances in 6 years, and probably another ring or two. 

 

 

🙄 Mahomes played great-  the injury certainly didn’t affect him very much.  

 

yeah the Dee ford Offside and the dropped int were tough.  Bad luck/poor execution.  Players not getting it done.   The last time you’ve had any key injuries you got blown out in the SB due to those injuries. 
 

if you’re really trying to compare the KC bad luck/injuries to the bills bad luck/injuries you’re in the wrong forum.  There is no comparison.  

2 hours ago, Herc11 said:

That's exactly my point.

What is your point?  That the entire defense was their most valuable PLAYER? 

[DCOrange]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

3-2. Playoff losses don’t count in MVP voting.

 

Unless you’re playing the semantics game where you don’t count the Denver game because Lamar played the first 4 snaps before Huntley played the final 62 snaps.

 

I’m not sure going from scoring 25 points a game to 12 is really a sound argument against Lamar’s value. The drop off from Lamar to Huntley has been huge over the years.

[Process]

I don't think a QB who leads the league in turnovers and lost 6 games should qualify 

 

I don't think a QB with less than 30 TDs should qualify

 

I don't think a QB who gets blown out any time he plays a good team should qualify

 

Lamar did not have an MVP season. Him being a 2x MVP is a joke. But no one deserved it this year. Should have cancelled the award. 

 

If I HAD to vote I would go

 

CMC

Dak

Allen

Lamar

 

[Chicken Boo]

7 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

😂 Records? How much time do you have for the list Josh set this year? So much for that take.

 

Go ahead.  What single season records did Josh break this year? 

Edited February 9 by Chicken Boo

[DCofNC]

1 minute ago, DCOrange said:

I’m not sure going from scoring 25 points a game to 12 is really a sound argument against Lamar’s value. The drop off from Lamar to Huntley has been huge over the years.

One should expect that.  The other guy is not starting, especially at QB in todays world, if he were that good, he would be traded for a haul and starting elsewhere.  
 

I personally look at MVP as an award where I say, “if that guy wasn’t there and an average starter replaced him, how much difference is there?”   To me, that means the award this year is Stroud’s, then Mahomes, then Allen, then Hill as much as I don’t like it.   Basically, Lamar got the award because his team’s record was good, but I don’t think he’s the real difference maker there.  Plug in Kirk Cousins and the team still wins.  That can’t be said with the guys above.

[Chicken Boo]

6 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I can understand Josh not getting it. The turnover record was too much despite the amount in the positive column.

 

But Jackson did little more than his job this season. The Ravens defense carried them as much if not more. Him getting MVP over the likes of McCaffrey and Hill is ridiculous. Heck, if it had to go to a QB, Mahomes deserved it more than him.

 

Unfortunately, RBs don't get the respect they deserve.  

5 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Boomer Esiason won it with 19 turnovers. 

 

But he had 1 whole extra win (12 instead of 11).

 

Go have a look at the INT totals for the top QBs in 1988.

[DCOrange]

1 hour ago, 34-78-83 said:

She literally laughed and then screamed in disgust and went on a tirade about it when Josh was drafted. Have you not seen this?

I don’t really care. The one guy that voted for Allen this year said there was basically a 0% chance he’d succeed in the NFL too. Mina heavily factors in metrics much like Schatz and co. do so it’s not surprising she was one of many people to laugh at the selection. Everyone in the analytics community did at the time and now they basically all argue in favor of Josh when people bring up his turnovers and stuff, Mina included. 

14 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

One should expect that.  The other guy is not starting, especially at QB in todays world, if he were that good, he would be traded for a haul and starting elsewhere.  
 

I personally look at MVP as an award where I say, “if that guy wasn’t there and an average starter replaced him, how much difference is there?”   To me, that means the award this year is Stroud’s, then Mahomes, then Allen, then Hill as much as I don’t like it.   Basically, Lamar got the award because his team’s record was good, but I don’t think he’s the real difference maker there.  Plug in Kirk Cousins and the team still wins.  That can’t be said with the guys above.

I don’t think any rational person could watch Baltimore’s offense this year (or really any year recently) and think an average QB could have any success. Everything their offense does is predicated on the pressure he puts on the defense every play. The same definitely applies to Allen and Mahomes too. 

[LarryMadman]

5 hours ago, Brand J said:

Three things Brady did when he took over - he took the ball out of Josh’s hands and ran it more, he simplified the offense, he allowed Josh to have designed QB runs. Josh’s Bills were 6-1 against playoff teams, but 5-5 against teams that missed the postseason.
 

Despite his total number of TDs, for much of the year Josh struggled with inconsistency; we wondered why the offense looked broken, why everything felt so difficult. He also couldn’t escape the turnover narrative he brought unto himself.

 

I didn’t feel that Josh had an MVP type of season. Others shouldn’t feel that he did either. Did Lamar deserve the award? I don’t think so, but it’s hard for voters to go against a QB who makes exciting plays for a #1 seed that beats down other top contenders. 6-2 against playoff teams including five blowouts, 7-1 against non-playoff teams. He and the Ravens were the model of consistency all year. That’s why he won the award, all the other chatter about his skin color is nonsense.

So what, that said Allen was still better than Jackson in every stat. 

 

How close would Josh have come to winning the MVP if the Bills had 13 wins and had Lamars exact stats? I know, Josh wouldn't have cracked the top 50 in votes. 

 

There is way more going on here than people want to admit!

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Josh Allen is the best football player in the world-period. All you have to do is watch with your eyes in an unbiased manner, and you'll see he does more with less than anyone else.

[DapperCam]

28 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Go ahead.  What single season records did Josh break this year? 

He broke the single season QB rushing TDs record, but Jalen Hurts actually did as well, so they are tied for that (Allen’s we’re more impressive IMO due to less tush push sneaks).

 

I want to say he broke the record for most games with a passing TD and rushing TD.

 

That’s just off the top of my head. There were some career ones broken too (most X in a player’s first N years).

Edited February 9 by DapperCam

[Aussie Joe]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The niners don't stand a chance.  Spags will make Purdy's life miserable.  Kelce will push off like Gronk and always be open.  KC's oline will be allowed to hold all day.  Mahomes will scramble and make off script plays. And the extra $350 million dollars that the NFL has generated since Swift hooked up with Travis will be fulfilled. Mahomes will become the NFL's new Brady love child. And everyone else will just be chasing.  

$350 million … the NFL wouldn’t get out of bed for that  …

[Commish]

Has this been posted yet? Steven A.'s hot take is incredibly ill informed and reckless.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/02/09/stephen-a-smith-blisters-lone-voter-who-snubbed-lamar-jackson-nfl-mvp#:~:text=Yet he was highly critical,compromises everything%2C” Smith continued.

Edited February 9 by Commish