NFL MVP

[Warcodered]

13 hours ago, The Wiz said:

one vote.....   ONE.

 

 

Have to think 49 people felt hell a awkward as the playoffs played out. Like come on this is going to look so stupid.

13 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Allen finished 5th in MVP voting apparently.

 

As a side note, man it seems like the people that vote on this are really sick of Mahomes.

Mahomes getting votes at all is purely name recognition this year, his regular season this year didn't deserve anything to do with MVP.

[Warriorspikes51]

Have 5 finalists and let the fans vote

[TheBrownBear]

9 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

The Bills won, but he was pretty bad for almost all of that stretch outside of the PIT game. We had to win ugly against some really weak teams in the Chargers and Patriots. He was awful in the air vs Dallas, but that was easily forgiven because we completely steamrolled them on the ground. Despite us getting the win against KC, he didn't shine there either despite KC giving us every opportunity to run away with that game.
 

He was mediocre against NE and LA.  He was fine in the Dallas game. He wasn't asked to do much and I recall their being some drops that effected his passing percentage.  Despite a couple of turnovers, he was GREAT against Miami and at KC.  Watch the KC game again.  Their D line abused us and Josh was running for his life on about 75% of his dropbacks.  BUT...Lamar did have two great marquee games down the stretch against SF and Miami that solidified his candidacy.  So I don't really have too much of a problem with Lamar winning, but I do think Allen is consistently undervalued by the national press.

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Have to think 49 people felt hell a awkward as the playoffs played out. Like come on this is going to look so stupid.

Mahomes getting votes at all is purely name recognition this year, his regular season this year didn't deserve anything to do with MVP.

Mahomes had more passing TDs than Mr. MVP. 

Just now, TheBrownBear said:

He was mediocre against NE and LA.  He was fine in the Dallas game. He wasn't asked to do much and I recall their being some drops that effected his passing percentage.  Despite a couple of turnovers, he was GREAT against Miami and at KC.  Watch the KC game again.  Their D line abused us and Josh was running for his life on about 75% of his dropbacks.  BUT...Lamar did have two great marquee games down the stretch against SF and Miami that solidified his candidacy.  So I don't really have too much of a problem with Lamar winning, but I do think Allen is consistently undervalued by the national press.

Lamar had three games with 0 TDs scored (passing and rushing) and his team only lost 1 of those games, 17-10 to the Steelers.

[GunnerBill]

28 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Yes, the current formula is this:

1. You must be a qb on a #1 seed

2. You must have less than 10 ints

3.  Qbr over 65 and Qb rating over 100.

Total yards, total tds are inconsequential. 

 

Certainly feels that way.

19 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

3-2 last season. Not 2-3.

 

No he was 2-3. Wins v Pittsburgh and Atlanta. Losses to Pittsburgh and Cleveland plus Cincy in the playoffs.

Edited February 9 by GunnerBill

[Herc11]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

Meh-  1 int.  1 FF.  0 FR.  If someone thinks he’s the team mvp, they need a clue. 

Their defense is the most valuable PLAYER.  Got it

That's exactly my point.

[SaulGoodman]

30 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Have to think 49 people felt hell a awkward as the playoffs played out. Like come on this is going to look so stupid.

Mahomes getting votes at all is purely name recognition this year, his regular season this year didn't deserve anything to do with MVP.

 

Mahomes didn't deserve MVP this year, but he played better than the numbers indicate. 2nd in the league in percentage of on-target passes (behind Dak), but his WRs can't catch. 

 

Frankly, I don't see why Prescott didn't get more consideration for MVP, or even win it over Lamar. I don't think he's anything special, but he put up the best stats this year. 

Edited February 9 by SaulGoodman

[BaaadThingsMan]

What a Joke

[LABILLBACKER]

10 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Mahomes didn't deserve MVP this year, but he played better than the numbers indicate. 2nd in the league in on-target passes (behind Dak), but his WRs can't catch. 

 

Frankly, I don't see why Prescott didn't get more consideration for MVP, or even win it over Lamar. I don't think he's anything special, but he put up the best stats this year. 

I honestly think the way Lamar and Dak have looked in the playoffs will now factor in toward future mvp voting.  Josh's playoff stats are amazing albeit his defense let's him down every year.  And understanding there's probably a large number of AP voters who didn't pick Josh panning out from Wyoming.  This ridiculous narrative will be very difficult to wash off people no matter how many unbelievable plays 17 makes.

[HappyDays]

 

[Brand J]

I wish Josh had a defense that was as clutch as KC’s. Even in the years they were statistically middle of the pack KC’s defense always seemed to make plays at the right time, credit to Spagnuolo. The same can be said for Cincy’s defense and their architect Anarumo. What can we say about Buffalo’s…?
 

Prior to this year, Allen was thought to be the one QB of the three who had enjoyed a dominant defense for the majority of his career, since that’s how it read on paper. Any Bills fan could tell you that Josh has never had a dominate defense and to that point, watching how easy it was for KC to move the ball and score against Baltimore before their offense turtled up and took their foot off the gas, I’m not sure a dominant defense is a thing in the NFL anymore. It just needs to make clutch stops at certain, opportune times. If Josh had that, I’m sure he’d have at least one SB ring by this point.

[Warcodered]

27 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Mahomes had more passing TDs than Mr. MVP. 

Yeah and Lamar shouldn't have won it either, but his whole reason was #1 seed and fewer turnovers, Mahomes had the 3rd seed and was what 2 turnovers behind Allen. So he literally had none of that going for him this regular season and he can join the ranks of the 9 other people who had more passing TDs than him.

 

30 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

Mahomes didn't deserve MVP this year, but he played better than the numbers indicate. 2nd in the league in on-target passes (behind Dak), but his WRs can't catch.

and Allen had the worst turnover luck in the league not that anyone cared.

[HappyDays]

46 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Words mean something. And it meant Most Valuable for 60 years of NFL history, before the talking heads took over voting.

 

This is the new definition of MVP:

 

 

[strive_for_five_guy]

8 minutes ago, Brand J said:

I wish Josh had a defense that was as clutch as KC’s. Even in the years they were statistically middle of the pack KC’s defense always seemed to make plays at the right time, credit to Spagnuolo. The same can be said for Cincy’s defense and their architect Anarumo. What can we say about Buffalo’s…?
 

Prior to this year, Allen was thought to be the one QB of the three who had enjoyed a dominant defense for the majority of his career, since that’s how it read on paper. Any Bills fan could tell you that Josh has never had a dominate defense and to that point, watching how easy it was for KC to move the ball and score against Baltimore before their offense turtled up and took their foot off the gas, I’m not sure a dominant defense is a thing in the NFL anymore. It just needs to make clutch stops at certain, opportune times. If Josh had that, I’m sure he’d have at least one SB ring by this point.

Given track record, I’ve come to believe Spags is one of the great D coordinators over the past 20 years.  In a one game setting, he seems to be as good as anyone in scheming something up.  Aside from Mahomes and Kelce, he’s the other reason I like the Chiefs to beat the 49ers this weekend.  He’ll do something to make Brock Purdy’s life hell.

[HappyDays]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I am not sure I think there was media bias, but there was definitely media groupthink - and that happens basically every year with MVP. By December there is a consensus who it should be and then everyone votes accordingly. 

 

It's definitely groupthink and laziness. Has nothing to do with race. If the 49ers had blown out the Ravens in December, Purdy would be the MVP right now which would arguably be an even more ridiculous outcome.

 

Ultimately MVP voters just don't want to make a stir. Look no further than the response to Aaron Schatz's vote to understand why. He is getting blasted all over Twitter. Stephen A Smith criticized him on live TV. Sports media is a circus and no one wants to make themselves the clown. I commend Aaron Schatz for sticking to his process and voting based on what his objective analysis revealed, but unfortunately he is the only MVP voter that followed that process.

[Einstein]

55 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

No he was 2-3. Wins v Pittsburgh and Atlanta. Losses to Pittsburgh and Cleveland plus Cincy in the playoffs.

 

3-2. Playoff losses don’t count in MVP voting.

 

Unless you’re playing the semantics game where you don’t count the Denver game because Lamar played the first 4 snaps before Huntley played the final 62 snaps.

 

[LABILLBACKER]

17 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Given track record, I’ve come to believe Spags is one of the great D coordinators over the past 20 years.  In a one game setting, he seems to be as good as anyone in scheming something up.  Aside from Mahomes and Kelce, he’s the other reason I like the Chiefs to beat the 49ers this weekend.  He’ll do something to make Brock Purdy’s life hell.

The niners don't stand a chance.  Spags will make Purdy's life miserable.  Kelce will push off like Gronk and always be open.  KC's oline will be allowed to hold all day.  Mahomes will scramble and make off script plays. And the extra $350 million dollars that the NFL has generated since Swift hooked up with Travis will be fulfilled. Mahomes will become the NFL's new Brady love child. And everyone else will just be chasing.  

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

3-2. Playoff losses don’t count in MVP voting.

 

Unless you’re playing the semantics game where you don’t count the Denver game because Lamar played the first 4 snaps before Huntley played the final 62 snaps.

 

 

Fair he played a lot at Denver. But I wouldn't say their 10 points scored there particularly strengthens the argument. They are 3-7 in games Lamar hasn't started over 3 seasons. Lamar IS very valuable to Baltimore. I say that as someone who didn't think he was the right MVP.

[Einstein]

27 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is the new definition of MVP:

 

 

 

Yep. And it’s stupid.

 

The voters have changed the meaning of Most Valuable Player.

[34-78-83]

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

She’s incredibly smart and one of the few on that panel that actually takes it seriously. 

She literally laughed and then screamed in disgust and went on a tirade about it when Josh was drafted. Have you not seen this?