NFL MVP

[Brand J]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

Didn’t the Bills win streak down the stretch happen right after they started running the ball more?

Three things Brady did when he took over - he took the ball out of Josh’s hands and ran it more, he simplified the offense, he allowed Josh to have designed QB runs. Josh’s Bills were 6-1 against playoff teams, but 5-5 against teams that missed the postseason.
 

Despite his total number of TDs, for much of the year Josh struggled with inconsistency; we wondered why the offense looked broken, why everything felt so difficult. He also couldn’t escape the turnover narrative he brought unto himself.

 

I didn’t feel that Josh had an MVP type of season. Others shouldn’t feel that he did either. Did Lamar deserve the award? I don’t think so, but it’s hard for voters to go against a QB who makes exciting plays for a #1 seed that beats down other top contenders. 6-2 against playoff teams including five blowouts, 7-1 against non-playoff teams. He and the Ravens were the model of consistency all year. That’s why he won the award, all the other chatter about his skin color is nonsense.

[Einstein]

 

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I think in this era it is pretty clear the award almost always goes to the QB of a #1 seed unless someone else really has been dominant - Matt Ryan in his year and Manning in a year where I think he was the #2 seed being the obvious examples.  

 

More than that, right? I think something like 4 or 5 of the winners from 2008 to 2020 were not the 1 seed if I recall correctly.

[BarleyNY]

7 minutes ago, Brand J said:

Three things Brady did when he took over - he took the ball out of Josh’s hands and ran it more, he simplified the offense, he allowed Josh to have designed QB runs. Josh’s Bills were 6-1 against playoff teams, but 5-5 against teams that missed the postseason.
 

Despite his total number of TDs, for much of the year Josh struggled with inconsistency; we wondered why the offense looked broken, why everything felt so difficult. He also couldn’t escape the turnover narrative he brought unto himself.

 

I didn’t feel that Josh had an MVP type of season. Others shouldn’t feel that he did either. Did Lamar deserve the award? I don’t think so, but it’s hard for voters to go against a QB who makes exciting plays for a #1 seed that beats down other top contenders. 6-2 against playoff teams including five blowouts, 7-1 against non-playoff teams. He and the Ravens were the model of consistency all year. That’s why he won the award, all the other chatter about his skin color is nonsense.

Agreed. This season MVP seemed like a war of attrition. There was a list of 6-10 players and, gradually, all but Lamar crossed themselves off of it with a poor performance. Those playing the “reverse racism” card are just showing us their character. 

[Einstein]

12 minutes ago, Brand J said:

Three things Brady did when he took over - he took the ball out of Josh’s hands and ran it more, he simplified the offense, he allowed Josh to have designed QB runs. Josh’s Bills were 6-1 against playoff teams, but 5-5 against teams that missed the postseason.
 

Despite his total number of TDs, for much of the year Josh struggled with inconsistency; we wondered why the offense looked broken, why everything felt so difficult. He also couldn’t escape the turnover narrative he brought unto himself.

 

I didn’t feel that Josh had an MVP type of season. Others shouldn’t feel that he did either. Did Lamar deserve the award? I don’t think so, but it’s hard for voters to go against a QB who makes exciting plays for a #1 seed that beats down other top contenders. 6-2 against playoff teams including five blowouts, 7-1 against non-playoff teams. He and the Ravens were the model of consistency all year. That’s why he won the award, all the other chatter about his skin color is nonsense.

 

 But is it the Most Consistent Award or Most Valuable?

 

It’s valuable - so why do we keep changing what words mean?

 

Thats more a question for the voters than you.

 

No player is more valuable to their team than Allen. None. Mahomes left the AFFCCG last year with an injury and his backup led a 99 yard TD drive the very next drive. And Tyler Huntley won 3 of the 5 games he played for the Ravens last year when Lamar was faking his injury. And Jake Browning went on a tear with the Burrow-less Browns.

 

The Bills would implode without Allen.

[The Wiz]

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

On 2/8/2024 at 7:47 AM, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Correct.  The only thing lacking is that all candidates should be required to dress in costume, and sing a song on 'The Masked Singer - NFL - MVP' special.

🤔

 

immobile to “I’m the Batman”.

[strive_for_five_guy]

5 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

 

 

Do we know who gave him the one vote?

[GunnerBill]

24 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

 

More than that, right? I think something like 4 or 5 of the winners from 2008 to 2020 were not the 1 seed if I recall correctly.

I haven't crunched the numbers specifically but the point that it is a pretty consistent pattern is clear I think. If you aren't the QB of a 1 seed you have to have had pretty much a "beyond question" dominant type MVP season. 

[Warcodered]

12 hours ago, Roundybout said:

So Joe Flacco had a good couple of games and then returns to ass and he gets the award over a guy who died on the field 

The Playoffs may have made these awards look stupid as hell in a few categories.

[MJS]

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

She’s probably one of the most deserving on the list lol. I’m not sure I understand Dianna Russini having a vote. Isn’t she just a rumor reporter ala Schefter? I don’t think I’ve ever seen her provide analysis but maybe I just haven’t noticed.

Except she is a blockhead.

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Do we know who gave him the one vote?

 

Aaron Schatz

[Brand J]

23 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

 But is it the Most Consistent Award or Most Valuable?

 

It’s valuable - so why do we keep changing what words mean?

 

Thats more a question for the voters than you.

 

No player is more valuable to their team than Allen. None. Mahomes left the AFFCCG last year with an injury and his backup led a 99 yard TD drive the very next drive. And Tyler Huntley won 3 of the 5 games he played for the Ravens last year when Lamar was faking his injury. And Jake Browning went on a tear with the Burrow-less Browns.

 

The Bills would implode without Allen.

No, it’s not an award for most consistent, nor is it an award for the QB who captains the #1 team, even though both appear that way on the surface. I think the media was burning to get behind someone, anyone for the MVP. There were about 6-7 names being thrown around all throughout the year and slowly many of them started to play themselves off the list. Because the Ravens were the only team not to go through a real period of struggle, Lamar got it almost by default. He didn’t play himself out of it like the others.  

[DCOrange]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

Except she is a blockhead.

She’s incredibly smart and one of the few on that panel that actually takes it seriously. 

[GunnerBill]

26 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

 But is it the Most Consistent Award or Most Valuable?

 

It’s valuable - so why do we keep changing what words mean?

 

Thats more a question for the voters than you.

 

No player is more valuable to their team than Allen. None. Mahomes left the AFFCCG last year with an injury and his backup led a 99 yard TD drive the very next drive. And Tyler Huntley won 3 of the 5 games he played for the Ravens last year when Lamar was faking his injury. And Jake Browning went on a tear with the Burrow-less Browns.

 

The Bills would implode without Allen.

 

I think getting really fixated on the words is a red herring. It is the NFL's player of the season award.  

 

As for the Bills imploding without Josh, depends who the Quarterback in his place is. And Huntley was 2-3 last year (and is 3-7 over the last three years). 

[colin]

in the nfl, especially now, the qb is most important guy on the team.  you can argue that great coaching and a decent back up will mean the qb1 is less valuable (like how the back up scored a near 100 yard drive for kc vs jax in the playoffs last season!) but for any non qb to get that award, the impact on winning of that non qb going down vs the qb doing down has to be stand out.  so like, if hill drops is his team worse off than if tua drops?  maybe, but hill clearly isn't as important to his team winning as lamar is for the ravens, or allen for us.

 

my thing w lamar is that he is so not clutch.  his back up nearly beat cinci 2 times last year, and lamar lays the same egg at the end of every playoffs.  he's just too limited of a player.

[SCBills]

So glad Allen showed NFL Honors the disrespect it deserves. 

[TheBrownBear]

3 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

Dude, Josh collects records like Pokémon cards.  Shall we book a weekend in the conference room to go over the list?  He also already has more gear being displayed in the HoF than most people already in the HoF.

Josh is sort of the NFL version of Russell Westbrook.  Puts up ridiculous stats, but never quite gets their due (granted, Westbrook eventually got an MVP) because they commit lots of turnovers, have a style of play that isn't completely orthodox, and never (or not yet) win the big one.  

[SaulGoodman]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

 But is it the Most Consistent Award or Most Valuable?

 

It’s valuable - so why do we keep changing what words mean?

 

Thats more a question for the voters than you.

 

No player is more valuable to their team than Allen. None. Mahomes left the AFFCCG last year with an injury and his backup led a 99 yard TD drive the very next drive. And Tyler Huntley won 3 of the 5 games he played for the Ravens last year when Lamar was faking his injury. And Jake Browning went on a tear with the Burrow-less Browns.

 

The Bills would implode without Allen.

 

Henne's 23 yds in that game convinced you that Mahomes isn't as valuable to his team? 🤣

 

In a slightly larger sample in 2020, Henne had a 58 rating and almost lost the divisional vs the Browns despite being handed a 12 pt lead in the 2nd half. 

 

We haven't seen the Bills without Allen, but I don't see why another QB couldn't do okay in that offense. Good running game, at least 4 good receiving options, solid tackles....other than a slightly better WR 3 and maybe an upgrade at guard, what are they missing?

 

Edited February 9 by SaulGoodman

[LABILLBACKER]

54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I haven't crunched the numbers specifically but the point that it is a pretty consistent pattern is clear I think. If you aren't the QB of a 1 seed you have to have had pretty much a "beyond question" dominant type MVP season. 

Yes, the current formula is this:

1. You must be a qb on a #1 seed

2. You must have less than 10 ints

3.  Qbr over 65 and Qb rating over 100.

Total yards, total tds are inconsequential. 

[Einstein]

47 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I think getting really fixated on the words is a red herring. It is the NFL's player of the season award.  

 

Words mean something. And it meant Most Valuable for 60 years of NFL history, before the talking heads took over voting.

 

Before the last 10 years, it truly was a value award.

 

Favre won it 3 times with 18+ turnovers and once with 21 turnovers, because he was the simm most VALUABLE. Not most consistent.

 

Esiason won it with 18 turnovers. Montana won it with 18 turnovers.

 

Again, it used to be most valuable. Now it’s most consistent - apparently. Which is not the same thing.

 

47 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 And Huntley was 2-3 last year (and is 3-7 over the last three years). 

 

3-2 last season. Not 2-3.