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20 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Why are you guys so against a peace deal? Explain how you realistically see this ending in a better manner? 

I think a better prez would threaten Putin with worsening sanctions to get terms more favorable to Ukrainke.  As it is, kissing Putin's ass doesn't lead to any concessions.  So I guess, fight on in this proxy war and make Russia weaker and more poor.  More weapons, more money, better intelligence.  All instead of sending troops.  Kick their filthy, barbaric asses.  Never worry about them again.  Wouldn't that be nice?

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3 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

Wrong doc, trump is running interference for Putin. Of course Putin was 1 hour late for phone call...who is whose patsy.

As I said you will be drinking vodka, using Russian steel, and oil and driving Lada by June...


How many loonies you want to bet on that one?  Hell I’ll give you a full year.

 

2 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

doc's passing gas in a cult.  or maybe he doesn't believe any of this in reality.  the russian media is jubilant.  ours not so much...what's the news in Canada?  Painting us the loser?

 

30 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

I think a better prez would threaten Putin with worsening sanctions to get terms more favorable to Ukrainke.  As it is, kissing Putin's ass doesn't lead to any concessions.  So I guess, fight on in this proxy war and make Russia weaker and more poor.  More weapons, more money, better intelligence.  All instead of sending troops.  Kick their filthy, barbaric asses.  Never worry about them again.  Wouldn't that be nice?


Sanctions. LOL. Maybe sanctions on Europe if they keep giving Russia all the money they need to keep fighting until Ukraine runs out of soldiers. 

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59 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Why are you guys so against a peace deal? Explain how you realistically see this ending in a better manner? 

They want the whole world nuked. Better to be dead or having your skin peeling off than live in a world where Trump exists.

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10 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

I think a better prez would threaten Putin with worsening sanctions to get terms more favorable to Ukrainke.  As it is, kissing Putin's ass doesn't lead to any concessions.  So I guess, fight on in this proxy war and make Russia weaker and more poor.  More weapons, more money, better intelligence.  All instead of sending troops.  Kick their filthy, barbaric asses.  Never worry about them again.  Wouldn't that be nice?

fight on till when? 

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58 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

fight on till when? 

Til Ukraine gets its land back or want to quit or til Russia wants to quit. Trump seems to have decided the length of the war is up to Russia. They made it clear that they’re not ready yet. 

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4 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Til Ukraine gets its land back or want to quit or til Russia wants to quit. Trump seems to have decided the length of the war is up to Russia. They made it clear that they’re not ready yet. 


All their land?  Not happening. And Ukraine can continue to fight.   We just don’t need to fund it. They should be Europe’s since they have more to lose and they’re also funding Russia. 

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Putin, another dude only the left is obsessed with. It's one of their 'useful tools'

in their ongoing TDS war.

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12 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

doc's passing gas in a cult.  or maybe he doesn't believe any of this in reality.  the russian media is jubilant.  ours not so much...what's the news in Canada?  Painting us the loser?

Docs not a cult guy, just a loyal citizen from the conservative side (not extreme). It is hard to recognize what is happening when you are in the middle of it. Like me from a Canadian side, emotion takes over having lost a best friend for unknown reasons, being called names and threatened. 

The move in Canada, no retaliatory tariffs, just stop buying from America, all citizens, all industry and begin new relationships abroad...and that includes China, who are at least respectful. Never again will America be able to say we took advantage. The US WILL lose their biggest trade partner. 

But then again, America will gain Putin the gangster as a bbf.

2 minutes ago, Doc said:


All their land?  Not happening. And Ukraine can continue to fight.   We just don’t need to fund it. They should be Europe’s since they have more to lose and they’re also funding Russia. 

Agreed, just tell trump to step aside, or at least behind Putin. This fight needs to be decided. Take the gloves off...Napoleon didn't take Moscow but it is time. Free Russia.

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9 minutes ago, Doc said:


All their land?  Not happening. And Ukraine can continue to fight.   We just don’t need to fund it. They should be Europe’s since they have more to lose and they’re also funding Russia. 

Trump has already lost. He’s shown his impotence and subservience to Putin. Europe will step up financially. If there is a peace treaty we should militarily guarantee it. 

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16 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Trump has already lost. He’s shown his impotence and subservience to Putin. Europe will step up financially. If there is a peace treaty we should militarily guarantee it. 


Again Putin has all the cards and has no reason to end the war under terms not favorable to him.  I’ll try to do is get some concessions like not bombing energy or infrastructure.
 

And it’s going to be tough for Europe to step up financially when they’re already dependent on/paying Putin and also preparing to defend themselves.  
 

I’d only involve our military if we get the mineral rights deal. Other than that, no.

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3 minutes ago, Doc said:


Again Putin has all the cards and has no reason to end the war under terms not favorable to him.  I’ll try to do is get some concessions like not bombing energy or infrastructure.
 

And it’s going to be tough for Europe to step up financially when they’re already dependent on/paying Putin and also preparing to defend themselves.  
 

I’d only involve our military if we get the mineral rights deal. Other than that, no.

fortunately, it's not up to you.  Europe sees an existential threat.  Putin is an immoral madman.  trump's negotiations are useless.  russia doesn't hold all the cards.  They've shown their military weakness again.  They have nukes but so do many countries.  if we went back to Reagan era policies and attitudes against russia, we could grind them down to near irrelevance especially if we could subvert putin.  That would be worth trillions over a decade.  they've clearly had some success in subverting our democracy.  time to fight back but we'll have to wait til comrade trump dies or leaves.

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26 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

fortunately, it's not up to you.  Europe sees an existential threat.  Putin is an immoral madman.  trump's negotiations are useless.  russia doesn't hold all the cards.  They've shown their military weakness again.  They have nukes but so do many countries.  if we went back to Reagan era policies and attitudes against russia, we could grind them down to near irrelevance especially if we could subvert putin.  That would be worth trillions over a decade.  they've clearly had some success in subverting our democracy.  time to fight back but we'll have to wait til comrade trump dies or leaves.

How doesn't Russia hold the cards? They're currently " winning "

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12 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

I think a better prez would threaten Putin with worsening sanctions to get terms more favorable to Ukrainke.  As it is, kissing Putin's ass doesn't lead to any concessions.  So I guess, fight on in this proxy war and make Russia weaker and more poor.  More weapons, more money, better intelligence.  All instead of sending troops.  Kick their filthy, barbaric asses.  Never worry about them again.  Wouldn't that be nice?

It hasn't worked for 4 years, but keep trying???

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4 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

How doesn't Russia hold the cards? They're currently " winning "

they've taken 11% of Ukraine's land after 3 years despite having a much bigger military machine.  If the US went all in for Ukraine, it would be even.  But trump will not, making the "upper hand" a self fulfilling prophecy.

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30 minutes ago, Doc said:


Again Putin has all the cards and has no reason to end the war under terms not favorable to him.  I’ll try to do is get some concessions like not bombing energy or infrastructure.
 

And it’s going to be tough for Europe to step up financially when they’re already dependent on/paying Putin and also preparing to defend themselves.  
 

I’d only involve our military if we get the mineral rights deal. Other than that, no.

Not true fiction, Putin does not gave all the cards. He has one, two if you count trump.

Europe has spent more money than US, and most US dollars went to your own industry. And of course, trump is only in it for the money, for the minerals. He knows nothing more, no humanitarian reason, no freedom reason, no protection reason, no idealogy reason, only $$$$$. No many years ago America was the tower of freedom, teaching the world, but now...having imploded into wokism, thinks money is more important. 

Putin's people hate him, he murders them like many Russian leaders have. He has no loyal army, just subservient. Freeze him out, and if necessary invade him. His life span is ending.

Time to Free Russia.  

 

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2 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

How doesn't Russia hold the cards? They're currently " winning "

Only because trump backs Putin and ran away from his obligations. He needs to step aside or join Russia. 

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1 minute ago, Niagara Bill said:

Only because trump backs Putin and ran away from his obligations. He needs to step aside or join Russia. 

they've got something(s) on him.  It will come out eventually and he will be viewed thru the lens of history as a traitor.  Not that he'll care.

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