FireChans Posted March 19 Posted March 19 40 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I heard this just after the SB from a reporter for an NFL team not in the AFCE and think I can share it now. The reporter said that the big rumor among NFL teams in Las Vegas during the week leading up to the SB was that the Bills would be trying to trade Diggs this off-season. The team he reports for would not be a logical trade destination. He wouldn’t give any additional info. I think it's pretty likely Beane tested the waters and may not have gotten good enough returns to warrant moving off him. Similar to Elam last trade-deadline. I think its pretty obvious that Diggs is no longer an untouchable on this roster. There was a point where the market to trade him would start at 2 firsts. That day is long gone.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 6 minutes ago, FireChans said: Show your work. Diggs cost them $9M in dead cap to trade in 2020. Theilen's cap hit was $12M that season. Why? You already showed your hand that its your personal desire he gets traded, not that you think he wants a trade. You also stated he WONT be traded this year. Literally you are only interested in confirmation bias info that leads to him being traded...a trade you already said wouldn't happen this year. Yet you here you are still trying to talk like he is despite saying he wont be. You have no interest in discussing any facts that could suggest you are not going to get your wish.
FireChans Posted March 19 Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Why? You already showed your hand that its your personal desire he gets traded, not that you think he wants a trade. You also stated he WONT be traded this year. Literally you are only interested in confirmation bias info that leads to him being traded...a trade you already said wouldn't happen this year. Yet you here you are still trying to talk like he is despite saying he wont be. You have no interest in discussing any facts that could suggest you are not going to get your wish. Reverse projection alert. Look in the mirror, my friend.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Just now, FireChans said: Reverse projection alert. Look in the mirror, my friend. Sticking to facts and direct statements while ignoring click bait and social media nonesense isn't a projection though.
papazoid Posted March 19 Posted March 19 diggs to dallas not looking good....lol https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/cowboys-position-on-long-rumored-trade-for-96-million-star-still-firm-report/ar-BB1k2XWi
TheFunPolice Posted March 19 Posted March 19 I saw the M&T Bank commercials... Diggs wasn't saying goodbye, he was holding out a football to you and winking. He was holding... out.... a football... And this is how you repay the man.
FireChans Posted March 19 Posted March 19 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Sticking to facts and direct statements while ignoring click bait and social media nonesense isn't a projection though. Like the facts that I posted above about Diggs' tenure in Minnesota? That you tried to handwave away to suit your confirmation bias that the situations are completely different, but of course, you can't prove it. It's very funny about confirmation bias. Like confirming that the "smoke" around a trade is very valid when the trade would, in your opinion, benefit the Bills. So in 2020, when there were articles a flying about Diggs potentially being moved (articles that were hotly denied by their GM at the time and of course, Diggs said he wanted to be there two years prior), you were quite passionate that "there's plenty of smoke about a deal." But now, the same smoke flies around, and it's all..... my "trade Diggs agenda." Edited March 19 by FireChans
Alphadawg7 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 25 minutes ago, FireChans said: Like the facts that I posted above about Diggs' tenure in Minnesota? That you tried to handwave away to suit your confirmation bias that the situations are completely different, but of course, you can't prove it. It's very funny about confirmation bias. Like confirming that the "smoke" around a trade is very valid when the trade would, in your opinion, benefit the Bills. So in 2020, when there were articles a flying about Diggs potentially being moved (articles that were hotly denied by their GM at the time and of course, Diggs said he wanted to be there two years prior), you were quite passionate that "there's plenty of smoke about a deal." But now, the same smoke flies around, and it's all..... my "trade Diggs agenda." There is not the same smoke flying around, that is the issue. You are manufacturing smoke that isn't there. You know it too, hence why you have said you know he isn't getting traded this year.
FireChans Posted March 19 Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: There is not the same smoke flying around, that is the issue. You are manufacturing smoke that isn't there. You know it too, hence why you have said you know he isn't getting traded this year. 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: I heard this just after the SB from a reporter for an NFL team not in the AFCE and think I can share it now. The reporter said that the big rumor among NFL teams in Las Vegas during the week leading up to the SB was that the Bills would be trying to trade Diggs this off-season. The team he reports for would not be a logical trade destination. He wouldn’t give any additional info. You’re right Alpha. Not only am I impersonating @BarleyNY, I also impersonated an NFL reporter to spread this rumor.
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 33 minutes ago, papazoid said: diggs to dallas not looking good....lol https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/cowboys-position-on-long-rumored-trade-for-96-million-star-still-firm-report/ar-BB1k2XWi Excerpt: Quote Quote Fisher’s source: “More bull*** than ever!” Reality v. Fan Fiction and Clickbait Media.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: You’re right Alpha. Not only am I impersonating @BarleyNY, I also impersonated an NFL reporter to spread this rumor. Well there you have it. Its a done deal. He is as good as gone. How could anyone ever doubt that.
FireChans Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Well there you have it. Its a done deal. He is as good as gone. How could anyone ever doubt that. Did I manufacture that smoke? Yes or no?
Alphadawg7 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Did I manufacture that smoke? Yes or no? Did I say 100% of all smoke was manufactured by you and that media or other posters have had no part in it? LOL That isn't smoke...the media is the one selling a Diggs discontent, trade, etc the hardest for clicks, shocker that a media reporter might call that a rumor. You and I have very different ideas of what is reliable information and just unsubstantiated nonsense that goes around every off season. 1
FireChans Posted March 19 Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Did I say 100% of all smoke was manufactured by you and that media or other posters have had no part in it? LOL That isn't smoke...the media is the one selling a Diggs discontent, trade, etc the hardest for clicks, shocker that a media reporter might call that a rumor. You and I have very different ideas of what is reliable information and just unsubstantiated nonsense that goes around every off season. 13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: There is not the same smoke flying around, that is the issue. You are manufacturing smoke that isn't there. You know it too, hence why you have said you know he isn't getting traded this year. I mean, kinda? 12 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Excerpt: Reality v. Fan Fiction and Clickbait Media. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-vikings-unlikely-to-part-ways-with-stefon-diggs Reality vs Clickbait Media.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 1 minute ago, FireChans said: I mean, kinda? Lol, youre just being ridiculous now. But hey, if you think that info is so solid...wanna bet on it? I will take he will be a Buffalo Bill week 1 and you can bet that he won't be and will start the season on another team. And we can make a friendly wager. I am not even saying its impossible he won't get traded. I mean the only untouchable player is Allen...I just don't believe Beane will do it unless the situation blew up or he got an offer he couldn't turn down even that made the cap hit worth it. But...until I see something blow up, or I see a team that wants to send Beane a bounty he can't say no to, I think I like my odds he will be here week 1.
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, FireChans said: I mean, kinda? https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-vikings-unlikely-to-part-ways-with-stefon-diggs Reality vs Clickbait Media. "Minnesota traded him" is what you've got as your smoking gun for everything. Minnesota trading him in 2020 when he was younger and cheaper vs. us doing it now, especially after his 18.5m salary has become guaranteed, is not a 1 to 1 comparison. Edited March 19 by BillsFanForever19 1
Buftex Posted March 19 Posted March 19 15 hours ago, Beck Water said: I'll give it a go to explain. Please excuse me if I describe stuff you know, but nothing will make sense unless the basics are known. NFL contracts are divided into roughly two bins: bonus money, and yearly cash. Yearly cash is stuff like salary (paid per game), workout bonuses, and roster bonuses. Salary may or may not be guaranteed That really ought to be what Allen says to Diggs whenever Diggs yells. Catch the damned ball, Stefon. Thanks! Great explanaation! 1
FireChans Posted March 19 Posted March 19 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Lol, youre just being ridiculous now. But hey, if you think that info is so solid...wanna bet on it? I will take he will be a Buffalo Bill week 1 and you can bet that he won't be and will start the season on another team. And we can make a friendly wager. I am not even saying its impossible he won't get traded. I mean the only untouchable player is Allen...I just don't believe Beane will do it unless the situation blew up or he got an offer he couldn't turn down even that made the cap hit worth it. But...until I see something blow up, or I see a team that wants to send Beane a bounty he can't say no to, I think I like my odds he will be here week 1. I think the odds are that he will be a Bill week 1 are higher than not. If you don't think it's impossible that he's traded, why are you so vehemently arguing he won't get traded, using things like Diggs' comments 2 years ago as proof? Bizarre stuff, to say the least. 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: "Minnesota traded him" is what you've got as your smoking gun for everything. Minnesota trading him in 2020 when he was younger and cheaper vs. us doing it now is not a 1 to 1 comparison. I thought it was a very fun example of how an article saying a player won't get traded being wrong a mere 4 weeks later means an article saying a player won't get traded is probably not the greatest evidence in the world. Just like Diggs' comments about wanting to stay in Minnesota a year before he was traded from Minnesota means that Diggs' comments from last summer about wanting to retire a Bill mean nothing. Why do you think there's smoke around AJ Brown getting moved in Philly and not Devonta Smith? Because..... wait for it..... he's been traded once before. Again, as above, I lean more towards Diggs staying for 2024 but I find your and Alpha's arguments to be less than persuasive. I think Diggs will be here because his cap hit is high and because the return will probably not be worth it. And because even though he was trending towards washed in the back half of the season, I think he can probably still play in the NFL in 2024 and is decent insurance for any rookie that comes in to not be the #1 out of the gate. But that's it. Articles that say he won't be traded = worthless. Diggs saying he wanted to retire a Bill last off-season = worthless. And if Diggs is traded before week 1, I promise the both of you that I will come back into this topic and demand you kiss the ring and clown you for eternity. Ask @Alphadawg7, I still clown him about takes from 12 years ago.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 23 minutes ago, FireChans said: I think the odds are that he will be a Bill week 1 are higher than not. If you don't think it's impossible that he's traded, why are you so vehemently arguing he won't get traded, using things like Diggs' comments 2 years ago as proof? I have not once used comments from Diggs 2 years ago. All the comments I referenced Diggs said were made THIS offseason. 23 minutes ago, FireChans said: Bizarre stuff, to say the least. I thought it was a very fun example of how an article saying a player won't get traded being wrong a mere 4 weeks later means an article saying a player won't get traded is probably not the greatest evidence in the world. Just like Diggs' comments about wanting to stay in Minnesota a year before he was traded from Minnesota means that Diggs' comments from last summer about wanting to retire a Bill mean nothing. Why do you think there's smoke around AJ Brown getting moved in Philly and not Devonta Smith? Because..... wait for it..... he's been traded once before. Again, as above, I lean more towards Diggs staying for 2024 but I find your and Alpha's arguments to be less than persuasive. I think Diggs will be here because his cap hit is high and because the return will probably not be worth it. And because even though he was trending towards washed in the back half of the season, I think he can probably still play in the NFL in 2024 and is decent insurance for any rookie that comes in to not be the #1 out of the gate. But that's it. Articles that say he won't be traded = worthless. Diggs saying he wanted to retire a Bill last off-season = worthless. Hey, I offered you a wager, you think it is so possible and Minn vs Buff scenarios are so similar, take the wager. Truth is, youre not as dumb as posts, so you know the situations for Minn back then and Buff today are different and he is most likely not going to be traded so you won't take the bet. 23 minutes ago, FireChans said: And if Diggs is traded before week 1, I promise the both of you that I will come back into this topic and demand you kiss the ring and clown you for eternity. Ask @Alphadawg7, I still clown him about takes from 12 years ago. WHAT? LMAO...I just gave you a chance to commit to him being traded, you backed off and refused the wager. You are doing what you always do...you pretend to take a stance but don't really. You already told me up thread multiple times he won't be traded this year. You just said it again above and declined to take my wager on it. So you don't get to say "he won't get traded" then come back and gloat if something changes and he does get traded as if you told us so. Here is your chance: Stop waffling like a coward. If you want bragging rights, then make it clear now that you are saying he WILL be traded THIS year. Otherwise, GTFOH with the kiss the ring nonsense. Don't even think about claiming a victory lap if he gets traded because the only decisive thing you have said is actually that he most likely won't get traded this year...same thing I and others have said. And as far as that one take 12 years ago...It is utterly hilarious to me that you don't seem to realize that only being able to hold that one take over my head from 12 years ago is actually quite the compliment to me and the quality of my posting. If I was to hold all your bad takes over head in a post it might crash the site lol. And being wrong about Spiller being a RB1 after he put up something like an 1800 combined yard season the year before is something I can live with.
GoBills808 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I have not once used comments from Diggs 2 years ago. All the comments I referenced Diggs said were made THIS offseason. Hey, I offered you a wager, you think it is so possible and Minn vs Buff scenarios are so similar, take the wager. Truth is, youre not as dumb as posts, so you know the situations for Minn back then and Buff today are different and he is most likely not going to be traded so you won't take the bet. WHAT? LMAO...I just gave you a chance to commit to him being traded, you backed off and refused the wager. You are doing what you always do...you pretend to take a stance but don't really. You already told me up thread multiple times he won't be traded this year. You just said it again above and declined to take my wager on it. So you don't get to say "he won't get traded" then come back and gloat if something changes and he does get traded as if you told us so. Here is your chance: Stop waffling like a coward. If you want bragging rights, then make it clear now that you are saying he WILL be traded THIS year. Otherwise, GTFOH with the kiss the ring nonsense. Don't even think about claiming a victory lap if he gets traded because the only decisive thing you have said is actually that he most likely won't get traded this year...same thing I and others have said. And as far as that one take 12 years ago...It is utterly hilarious to me that you don't seem to realize that only being able to hold that one take over my head from 12 years ago is actually quite the compliment to me and the quality of my posting. If I was to hold all your bad takes over head in a post it might crash the site lol. And being wrong about Spiller being a RB1 after he put up something like an 1800 combined yard season the year before is something I can live with. I'll take that bet +550 he gets traded before season starts
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