FireChans Posted March 19 Posted March 19 9 minutes ago, NoSaint said: So your stance is he is emphatically here and doing nothing at all to invite the response he has gotten essentially his entire career? it’s just a vast media conspiracy against him to create clicks, and he could do nothing to remedy this problem? Poor Stef, the innocent victim of folks in the media having the gall to remember that he forced his way out of Minnesota 4 years ago. 1
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Just now, FireChans said: Poor Stef, the innocent victim of folks in the media having the gall to remember that he forced his way out of Minnesota 4 years ago. And acts almost the same way he did in Minnesota.
EasternOHBillsFan Posted March 19 Posted March 19 (edited) 4 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Thank you. 99% of this is HIS doing, and he can end it any time he wants. "I'm ready for watever" and THE MEDIA went nuts... that's not Stef, that's a bunch of bottom feeders calling themselves journalists speculating on FOUR INNOCULOUS WORDS... like this: Edited March 19 by EasternOHBillsFan
FireChans Posted March 19 Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: And acts almost the same way he did in Minnesota. It's the fans' fault. Obviously. As we all know, there was nothing to talk about in Minnesota. Listen to what Diggs had to say. https://www.skysports.com/nfl/news/12118/11456004/stefon-diggs-signs-new-five-year-81m-deal-with-minnesota-vikings "I love it here. I truly do, and I'm just happy I'll be here for a while now," Diggs said after practice Tuesday. "That's why I want to play for them for selecting me in the fifth round. It was a bumpy road that day, and I just remember getting a call, and they gave me a chance. "They believed in me, and they won, and going forward they pushed me to be where I am now." There's just no way they trade him two years later after that contract extension for say.... the 22nd pick in the 2020 NFL draft. Diggs said he loved it in Minnesota! It's crazy how fans make mountains out of molehills. Even the PellRaiser agrees: This is just Diggs being Diggs. He expressed some frustration with the offense and his role. He was good in the building when he got back and put up good numbers. Long-odds that Diggs gets traded, he's under contract for at least 3 more seasons. No way Minnesota trades him. 1
NoSaint Posted March 19 Posted March 19 29 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yup. Until we hear REAL information that is confirmed and says otherwise. He was an excellent teammate all season and he declared his desire to retire here this offseason amongst all the nonsense rumors. Beane stated the same. If others want to fall for social media click bait, thats on them. LMAO you are the one who just told me to stop wearing rose colored glasses. Me telling you to stop wearing a tin foil hat makes me arrogant but not you for your comment? lol ok bud meh. If that keeps you happy, who am I to argue it but I do think it’s just as far in left field as those that are enraged by his tweets. At least for your sake it’s a much more zen way to detach! 1
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10113608-stefon-diggs-rumors-belief-bills-will-rework-contract-avoid-trade-in-free-agency "If they were to get rid of Stefon Diggs, if they couldn't rework his contract, it would require a trade. But there's also a belief that they can get to a place with Diggs that they can get a restructured contract to still keep him in Buffalo and still keep him happy. As we know, though, last offseason this got a little bit sticky. We'll see if general manager Brandon Beane, one of the best in the league, can keep this situation peaceful and keep Stefon Diggs on the roster this coming season." Per Spotrac, a pre-June 1 release would result in $49.5 million in dead cap and a pre-June 1 trade would give them a dead cap hit of $31 million. A post-June 1 release would yield a dead cap hit of $27.3 million this year and $22.2 million next year, whereas a post-June 1 trade would result in $8.8 million in dead cap and $19 million in cap savings this year, but also a $22.2 million dead cap hit next year. If the Bills intend to keep their No. 1 wide receiver and pair him with free-agent signing Curtis Samuel, as well as a potential early draft pick, they have a couple options to make his contract more palatable.
Beck Water Posted March 19 Posted March 19 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Michael Lombardi on McAfee just casually talking about how Diggs is available for the right price. Mentions it in passing like it’s just common knowledge. Theoretically, any player is available for "the right price". The question is whether "the right price" for the seller, and "the right price" for the buyer, have any realistic overlap. At this point, the potential trade partner needs to be willing to give up something of great enough value to compensate the Bills for losing the talents of a legit top-10 WR in the league (even last season by most metrics - targets, receptions, TD, 1D) - who is clearly still the best WR on the team and it isn't close. And they need to be willing to take on $19M of financial obligation this year including $18.5M of guaranteed salary. $19M per year slots Diggs in as #17 or 18 for active WR contracts which sounds like good value, but consider that roughly half of the top-20 WR are actually on their first contracts so are actually better value. And then set the fact that Diggs age of 31 next season and there are significant metrics where he wasn't top-10: yards (13 for a WR), YAC (something like 51 for WR), drop% (something like 27th for WR). Then there are the rumors about Diggs being a bit of a headache - the stuff we see in the public like not showing up for OTAs and a meeting that led McDermott to say he was "very concerned"; arms raised yelling at Josh on the sideline during the Bengals playoff game; dipping out of the locker room and away from the press after two successive playoff losses; and any inside rumors there might be of stunts he's pulled behind the scenes or behavior in the locker room that's not the best. If nothing else, a trade partner has to ask "if the Bills are willing to incur a cap hit and trade the best WR on the team, Why?" 2
FireChans Posted March 19 Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, Beck Water said: If nothing else, a trade partner has to ask "if the Bills are willing to incur a cap hit and trade the best WR on the team, Why?" The same question the Bills asked 4 years ago, and we’re fine with the answer.
SCBills Posted March 19 Posted March 19 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Theoretically, any player is available for "the right price". The question is whether "the right price" for the seller, and "the right price" for the buyer, have any realistic overlap. At this point, the potential trade partner needs to be willing to give up something of great enough value to compensate the Bills for losing the talents of a legit top-10 WR in the league (even last season by most metrics - targets, receptions, TD, 1D) - who is clearly still the best WR on the team and it isn't close. And they need to be willing to take on $19M of financial obligation this year including $18.5M of guaranteed salary. $19M per year slots Diggs in as #17 or 18 for active WR contracts which sounds like good value, but consider that roughly half of the top-20 WR are actually on their first contracts so are actually better value. And then set the fact that Diggs age of 31 next season and there are significant metrics where he wasn't top-10: yards (13 for a WR), YAC (something like 51 for WR), drop% (something like 27th for WR). Then there are the rumors about Diggs being a bit of a headache - the stuff we see in the public like not showing up for OTAs and a meeting that led McDermott to say he was "very concerned"; arms raised yelling at Josh on the sideline during the Bengals playoff game; dipping out of the locker room and away from the press after two successive playoff losses; and any inside rumors there might be of stunts he's pulled behind the scenes or behavior in the locker room that's not the best. If nothing else, a trade partner has to ask "if the Bills are willing to incur a cap hit and trade the best WR on the team, Why?" Yea, he seemed to allude to the fact that he's available, but is a team willing to meet the asking price and then take on the rest of the contract. The answer to that, based on his vibe in talking about it was "not likely". It just struck me the way he discussed it.. so matter of fact and in passing like "oh, obviously he can be had and everyone knows it". Edited March 19 by SCBills
Bill from NYC Posted March 19 Posted March 19 5 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Then there are the rumors about Diggs being a bit of a headache - the stuff we see in the public like not showing up for OTAs and a meeting that led McDermott to say he was "very concerned"; arms raised yelling at Josh on the sideline during the Bengals playoff game; dipping out of the locker room and away from the press after two successive playoff losses; and any inside rumors there might be of stunts he's pulled behind the scenes or behavior in the locker room that's not the best. If nothing else, a trade partner has to ask "if the Bills are willing to incur a cap hit and trade the best WR on the team, Why?" Your paragraph above would seem to be a more than sufficent answer to the bolded question, or am I missing something?
Beck Water Posted March 19 Posted March 19 5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10113608-stefon-diggs-rumors-belief-bills-will-rework-contract-avoid-trade-in-free-agency "If they were to get rid of Stefon Diggs, if they couldn't rework his contract, it would require a trade. But there's also a belief that they can get to a place with Diggs that they can get a restructured contract to still keep him in Buffalo and still keep him happy. As we know, though, last offseason this got a little bit sticky. We'll see if general manager Brandon Beane, one of the best in the league, can keep this situation peaceful and keep Stefon Diggs on the roster this coming season." Per Spotrac, a pre-June 1 release would result in $49.5 million in dead cap and a pre-June 1 trade would give them a dead cap hit of $31 million. A post-June 1 release would yield a dead cap hit of $27.3 million this year and $22.2 million next year, whereas a post-June 1 trade would result in $8.8 million in dead cap and $19 million in cap savings this year, but also a $22.2 million dead cap hit next year. If the Bills intend to keep their No. 1 wide receiver and pair him with free-agent signing Curtis Samuel, as well as a potential early draft pick, they have a couple options to make his contract more palatable. You left out this quote from the article you linked: "Ultimately, the Bills are a Super Bowl contender, and there is almost no realistic scenario where they trade or release Diggs since they would be quarterback Josh Allen's No. 1 target and taking significant dead money in the process." Regarding the article's comment about the Bills $7.4M cap space, that doesn't include Taron Johnson's recently announced contract extension, or Tre' White's contract coming off the books after June 1, giving an additional ~$10M. Diggs has thrown down on social media that he considers himself a top-5 WR since coming to Buffalo and it's pretty doubtful he would want to re-negotiate his contract. That's the difference between Knox and Von Miller vs. Diggs: Both Knox and Miller had an objective fall-off in their performance that made them poor value for their contracts. Objectively Von Miller wasn't close to the best DE on the team, and by several metrics Knox wasn't close to the best TE (for blocking, yes). Objectively, Diggs WAS the best receiver on the Bills and arguably top 10 in the league.
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 19 Posted March 19 31 minutes ago, FireChans said: It's the fans' fault. Obviously. As we all know, there was nothing to talk about in Minnesota. Listen to what Diggs had to say. https://www.skysports.com/nfl/news/12118/11456004/stefon-diggs-signs-new-five-year-81m-deal-with-minnesota-vikings "I love it here. I truly do, and I'm just happy I'll be here for a while now," Diggs said after practice Tuesday. "That's why I want to play for them for selecting me in the fifth round. It was a bumpy road that day, and I just remember getting a call, and they gave me a chance. "They believed in me, and they won, and going forward they pushed me to be where I am now." There's just no way they trade him two years later after that contract extension for say.... the 22nd pick in the 2020 NFL draft. Diggs said he loved it in Minnesota! It's crazy how fans make mountains out of molehills. Even the PellRaiser agrees: This is just Diggs being Diggs. He expressed some frustration with the offense and his role. He was good in the building when he got back and put up good numbers. Long-odds that Diggs gets traded, he's under contract for at least 3 more seasons. No way Minnesota trades him. Thank you. Its the SOSDD with him. Just trade him and lets move on.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 34 minutes ago, FireChans said: It's the fans' fault. Obviously. As we all know, there was nothing to talk about in Minnesota. Listen to what Diggs had to say. https://www.skysports.com/nfl/news/12118/11456004/stefon-diggs-signs-new-five-year-81m-deal-with-minnesota-vikings "I love it here. I truly do, and I'm just happy I'll be here for a while now," Diggs said after practice Tuesday. "That's why I want to play for them for selecting me in the fifth round. It was a bumpy road that day, and I just remember getting a call, and they gave me a chance. "They believed in me, and they won, and going forward they pushed me to be where I am now." There's just no way they trade him two years later after that contract extension for say.... the 22nd pick in the 2020 NFL draft. Diggs said he loved it in Minnesota! It's crazy how fans make mountains out of molehills. Even the PellRaiser agrees: This is just Diggs being Diggs. He expressed some frustration with the offense and his role. He was good in the building when he got back and put up good numbers. Long-odds that Diggs gets traded, he's under contract for at least 3 more seasons. No way Minnesota trades him. Convenient you left out the context of the cap hell Minnesota found themselves in and couldn't afford to pay 2 WR's top dollar anymore. But hey...who cares about full context right.
GoBills808 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 6 minutes ago, Beck Water said: You left out this quote from the article you linked: "Ultimately, the Bills are a Super Bowl contender, and there is almost no realistic scenario where they trade or release Diggs since they would be quarterback Josh Allen's No. 1 target and taking significant dead money in the process." Regarding the article's comment about the Bills $7.4M cap space, that doesn't include Taron Johnson's recently announced contract extension, or Tre' White's contract coming off the books after June 1, giving an additional ~$10M. Diggs has thrown down on social media that he considers himself a top-5 WR since coming to Buffalo and it's pretty doubtful he would want to re-negotiate his contract. That's the difference between Knox and Von Miller vs. Diggs: Both Knox and Miller had an objective fall-off in their performance that made them poor value for their contracts. Objectively Von Miller wasn't close to the best DE on the team, and by several metrics Knox wasn't close to the best TE (for blocking, yes). Objectively, Diggs WAS the best receiver on the Bills and arguably top 10 in the league. I don't think he's a top10 wideout anymore of all the receivers who got 100targets or more he ranks 23rd in yards/reception he's also 19th in yards/game and gets routinely clamped in the playoffs 1
Beck Water Posted March 19 Posted March 19 6 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Your paragraph above would seem to be a more than sufficent answer to the bolded question, or am I missing something? That's the fundamental question, Bill: what are we all missing? I think it's pretty common for top WR to be Diva-like and for uber-competitive players to not be best-behaved on the sideline during key games (Kelce bumping into Reid etc etc). So if all there is, is what we saw in public, Eh. On the other hand, if it's the tip of an iceberg and there's more and worse where that came from.... Teammates genuinely seem to speak well of Diggs. There are people on this board who have some connections and have evidently heard some stuff, which means there are enough former Bills players and assistant coaches roaming around the league right now that if there are stories to tell, they're probably out there. I think we just don't know. 1
BarleyNY Posted March 19 Posted March 19 59 minutes ago, SCBills said: Michael Lombardi on McAfee just casually talking about how Diggs is available for the right price. Mentions it in passing like it’s just common knowledge. I heard this just after the SB from a reporter for an NFL team not in the AFCE and think I can share it now. The reporter said that the big rumor among NFL teams in Las Vegas during the week leading up to the SB was that the Bills would be trying to trade Diggs this off-season. The team he reports for would not be a logical trade destination. He wouldn’t give any additional info. 2
Beck Water Posted March 19 Posted March 19 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I don't think he's a top10 wideout anymore of all the receivers who got 100targets or more he ranks 23rd in yards/reception he's also 19th in yards/game and gets routinely clamped in the playoffs And I "get" the arguments for your perspective. It can be argued that yards/reception have a lot to do with how he was being used, especially the 2nd half of the season. But in addition to yards per game, I pointed out upthread some other metrics where he doesn't rank in the top 10 - drop%, YAC, etc. Time Will Tell. The point is that Diggs thinks he's a top-10 WR and his agents can make objective arguments to back that up, and find exculpatory reasons for the not so good metrics. So I don't think we'll be seeing Diggs re-negotiating his contract any time soon to facilitate a trade OR improve the Bills cap space situation.
Beck Water Posted March 19 Posted March 19 9 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I heard this just after the SB from a reporter for an NFL team not in the AFCE and think I can share it now. The reporter said that the big rumor among NFL teams in Las Vegas during the week leading up to the SB was that the Bills would be trying to trade Diggs this off-season. The team he reports for would not be a logical trade destination. He wouldn’t give any additional info. On the one hand....if a team is legitimately putting out feelers to shop a player, I imagine it's hard to keep a lid on it and it sounds like you have a good source. On the other hand....Beane and the Bills are apparently notoriously close-mouthed and close-to-the-vest about trades, and Beane has said a lot of times when they are linked as being interested in a trade, it may have come to a couple "due diligence" type "hey would you be interested in...." "hey is this player available?..." type phone calls.
FireChans Posted March 19 Posted March 19 41 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Convenient you left out the context of the cap hell Minnesota found themselves in and couldn't afford to pay 2 WR's top dollar anymore. But hey...who cares about full context right. Show your work. Diggs cost them $9M in dead cap to trade in 2020. Theilen's cap hit was $12M that season.
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