Nephilim17 Posted March 16 Posted March 16 29 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I'd recommend watching the entire interview and not just what's taken out of context: Yes, I just sat down and watched all 9 minutes and 59 seconds and I don't change my mind. Stephon talked a lot about himself. How he wants to be in moves. And launch a fashion line. No talk of winning championships, though. He said "where's there's smoke there's fire" implying trade rumors are the result of the team wanting to trade him. He said people get more upset with him when he's quiet. What a bunch of $*** He says he's ready for whatever happens. So what am I supposed to see "in context"? I'd love to see hear him say this — and then stop f****** tweeting: "I love being a Bill and if i had my way I'd retire a Bill. I have no interest in going to any other team. I want to win a Super Bowl with the BIlls. That would be the pinnacle of my career." Full stop. 2 1 2
Mango Posted March 16 Posted March 16 7 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: A post-June 1 trade or release saves $19 million in 2024 according to Spotrac, but hits us in 2025: 2024 Dead Cap: $8,849,000 2024 Cap Savings: $19,005,000 2025 Dead Cap: $22,247,000 Kind of but no. Diggs cap hit on the roster in 2025 is $27M. A post June 1 trade/cut would save us $5M against the cap. Yes he take up $22M not being in the roster. But he’d cost us $27M off of it. The interesting thing is that if Diggs is a post June 1 move and we sit tight on our roster we would roll that $19M over to 2025. In theory he could add $24M cap dollars next season. I would not be shocked if Diggs is a post June 1 move to reset the cap. Because he was restructured the Bills have eaten so much of his bonuses that any team trading for him would get the 16th highest paid WR with next to zero cap implications if they want to cut him. With Rousseau, Douglas, Taron, and Spencer Brown coming do it is a tempting move. 1
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 16 Posted March 16 16 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Armchair a-hole analysis: he is saying a lot without actually saying much of anything. He's being characteristically honest about the uncertainty of the NFL and how people unfairly perceive him from the outside. ALSO, his voice DOES sound a little more pinchy and amped than I remember; he's still more articulate than most, but does come off a little nervy and rambly. People trying to turn any of this (including his vague tweet) into something tangible is a stretch. I totally agree. The juxtaposition between this and then this... 13 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: Yes, I just sat down and watched all 9 minutes and 59 seconds and I don't change my mind. Stephon talked a lot about himself. How he wants to be in moves. And launch a fashion line. No talk of winning championships, though. He said "where's there's smoke there's fire" implying trade rumors are the result of the team wanting to trade him. He said people get more upset with him when he's quiet. What a bunch of $*** He says he's ready for whatever happens. So what am I supposed to see "in context"? I'd love to see hear him say this — and then stop f****** tweeting: "I love being a Bill and if i had my way I'd retire a Bill. I have no interest in going to any other team. I want to win a Super Bowl with the BIlls. That would be the pinnacle of my career." Full stop. ... is jarring.
Big Blitz Posted March 16 Posted March 16 My take on his tweet. I think he’s saying he isn’t impressed with the Samuel signing. Like, fine ok. Not enough. He tweets this the day he signs? It’s embarrassing. And I hate that we didn’t win a SB with peak Diggs. He’s an important part of this teams history and its success these last 4 seasons. Thanks. We made you very rich, famous, and on a potential HOF track if you got 3 more seasons left in you (he doesn’t). But you really weren’t one of our own. We plucked you (For what could have been Justin Jefferson but whatever) out of your horrible situation. The team needs the cap room and you’re 30 going on 31. You need to be elite and if he’s second half of 2023 Diggs that’s just as bad a contract as Von. Him no longer being fun Diggs since the Bengals game is disappointing but I get it. Maybe Diggs is here: 1
NI Bills Fan Posted March 16 Posted March 16 The explanation could be that reading this thread is Digg's favourite off-season pastime and it's more entertaining for him if he fuels it every now and again. I don't read into it all too much, but it is tiresome... Best to ignore the dude I think and hope he shows up in the summer with the right mindset and without any drama. 1
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) 3 hours ago, Big Blitz said: My take on his tweet. I think he’s saying he isn’t impressed with the Samuel signing. Like, fine ok. Not enough. He tweets this the day he signs? It’s embarrassing. And I hate that we didn’t win a SB with peak Diggs. He’s an important part of this teams history and its success these last 4 seasons. Thanks. We made you very rich, famous, and on a potential HOF track if you got 3 more seasons left in you (he doesn’t). But you really weren’t one of our own. We plucked you (For what could have been Justin Jefferson but whatever) out of your horrible situation. The team needs the cap room and you’re 30 going on 31. You need to be elite and if he’s second half of 2023 Diggs that’s just as bad a contract as Von. Him no longer being fun Diggs since the Bengals game is disappointing but I get it. Maybe Diggs is here: He posted a ♥️ before posting the oh so controversial "ready for watever" tweet. Posting a heart in conjunction with that would be a funny way of saying he didn't like the move, if that's what you're reading into it. Again. "ready for watever" can mean literally anything. It can even be a positive thing. He can be looking at the addition of Samuel and the upcoming season and saying he's ready for whatever anyone throws at us. Or he could be going out on the town somewhere for the night and saying he's "ready for watever". Pretty sure CBS is wrong about his changing his background too. I feel like I've been looking at that one for a while now. It's much ado about nothing. Sunday at 4PM, we're handing him a check for 18.5m. No way we're doing that (capped or uncapped) for the privilege of him not working for it. So if something is to happen, which I find extremely unlikely, we'll know very soon. Edited March 16 by BillsFanForever19 1 1
papazoid Posted March 16 Posted March 16 "ready for watever" most likely means the bills have not indicated to him or his agent if he will be on the team in order to trigger this clause in his contract: 2024 salary fully guarantees 03/17/2024 he may know he's in play to be moved if the right offer comes along. maybe he cares so much that his self defense mechanism makes him act like he doesn't care. obviously everyone is better off if he says nothing.
<bills4life> Posted March 16 Posted March 16 7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: EXACTLY Geezus...now you are going back to last year, something that was squashed immediately and was not at all a factor at any point in the season. Ok Karen. Your crazy bias to make this into something is unreal. Honestly, this thread makes it embarrassing to be a Bills fan. Let’s be honest here, Diggs has a history of this since his days in Minnesota. His tweets ultimately led to him being traded. I’m not saying he will be traded, or that there is some 5 alarm fire at one bills drive. But let’s not act like Diggs is the victim of salacious rumors and people having “crazy bias” against him. Diggs knows exactly what he is doing. Diggs creates the problem with his ambiguity. He does this every off season around this time to generate attention. 7 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: That must explain why the Head Coach and GM needed to have a meeting with him last off-season. It was so heated he was told to go home and let cooler heads prevail….excused from practice. Sean said he was very concerned. Josh even said they were working through some things. That’s not nothing. It could have been resolved for during the season….but this is the 2nd year in a row. Again, there are multiple posters on here who have proven records of reliable inside info before something happens. They have talked about Diggs antics and friction People conveniently forget these antics in Minnesota as well. History proves past. 2
No_Matter_What Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) Why almost everybody keeps saying he is not tradeable? I am not saying it is a good idea but we can definitely trade him. He has cap hit of $27,854,000, if we trade him by tomorrow he'll have dead cap of $31,096,000. That's like $3M more. If we somehow trade him for let's say Cowboys pick no. 24, we can draft new WR with cap hit $3M and voila - we have new WR for $6M higher cap hit this year and like $25M lower cap next year. So again, why it is so impossible to trade him? Now if you say that it will make us weaker because Thomas is not Diggs then fine, but it is a different conversation. To be clear, I am not saying (i) we should trade him, (ii) we wants out of (iii) we can get round 1 pick for him, I just say that Bills can easily trade him. Especially if someone is ready to give us R1 pick. In fact, if Jerry wants to do that, and there are any indications that we wants out, I'd seriously consider that. Draft Thomas and one of Legette/Mitchell and start a new era. If we draft two, the chances that one of them will pan out as WR1 are considerably higher. And we would have much better situation cap wise going forward. Edited March 16 by No_Matter_What 1
Niagara Dude Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) End of the day he is just not worth the trouble, my biggest problem last season was his brother on numerous occasions was trashing Allen on twitter. There is no way his brother is doing this unless he is hearing Stefon say bad things about Allen himself. Beane screwed up, he should have traded him right after 13 secs rather than give him that stupid extension. That extension is the biggest reason why we cannot sign free agents Edited March 16 by Niagara Dude 5 1
<bills4life> Posted March 16 Posted March 16 4 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: End of the day he is just not wort the trouble, my biggest problem last season was his brother on numerous occasions was trashing Allen on twitter. There is no way his brother is doing this unless he is hearing Stefon say bad things about Allen himself. Beane screwed up, he should have traded him right after 13 secs rather than give him that stupid extension. That extension is the biggest reason why we cannot sign free agents This will most likely be his last season as a Bill. What we do in the draft will likely highlight our intentions moving forward with Diggs. If I’m the bills I would still take two wr in the first four picks. 2
Eastport bills Posted March 16 Posted March 16 All I keep thinking about is how the organization keeps putting this guy on a pedestal as a great leader and Josh’s brother, etc. He sees issues with cap constraints and foundational players being cut and naturally he’s looking for his off ramp. No taking a step back for Steph. I say this guy let us down against KC. He was mediocre for the last 9 games and his best years may be behind him. Use the Beliceck model of getting value for aging stars a year early rather than seeing him diminished and become a malcontent. 1 1
Solomon Grundy Posted March 16 Posted March 16 Interpreting Diggs tweets is like interpreting the Bible. You can decipher it to whatever you want it to be/mean/say.😎 1 1 1
frostbitmic Posted March 16 Posted March 16 I'm pretty sure at this point that Diggs' favorite off season activity is fishing ... He baits the hook, goes trolling, sets the hook when he gets a nibble, and reels in his catch. 1 1
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 16 Posted March 16 10 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: I'm pretty sure at this point that Diggs' favorite off season activity is fishing ... He baits the hook, goes trolling, sets the hook when he gets a nibble, and reels in his catch. True. But then he gets all melancholy when reporters start to question it. He says he's tired of answering the same questions...then sets them up to be asked over and over year after year. He trolls himself just as much as he trolls others. 2
Mat68 Posted March 16 Posted March 16 He trends throughout the offseason to help/enhance his endorsements. They shipped out Watkins and Dareus in 1.3 seconds. If McBeane felt Diggs was not committed he wouldn't be here. 1 1
Niagara Dude Posted March 16 Posted March 16 1 hour ago, <bills4life> said: This will most likely be his last season as a Bill. What we do in the draft will likely highlight our intentions moving forward with Diggs. If I’m the bills I would still take two wr in the first four picks. Exactly, this team will only stay competitive with Allen and having weapons around him. Diggs is a good possession receiver, but he does not scare any team with having big play ability. The Bills should have drafted a receiver with a top pick well before this season. Again, Diggs not worth the trouble and his tweet is all over the net, he knew this would bring him attention and not in a good way for the Bills.
Beck Water Posted March 16 Posted March 16 9 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: to me it comes down to the actual relationships between Diggs, the front office and Josh. If the Bills think he brings a negative aspect that outweighs the positive (people on here with legit sources spoke of things like Diggs screaming at Allen in his face after games over every little mistake) then IMO they’d look to trade him. He’s talked about of both sides of his mouth. He said he wants to be a Bill, but also talks about rumors with “where there’s smoke there’s fire” and saying he’s prepared, doesn’t know what the future holds. His antics last spring-summer. Sean saying he’s very concerned. Now this. He knew how this would be perceived. He pretends it’s all media driven. Some of it yes, but often it starts with his words or actions his lack of performance in playoff games, taking plays off when he knows it’s a run You didn't answer my question: "Therefore, if the Bills trade Diggs and incur $3M more than the $27.8M cap hit he currently carries for being ON our roster as a very good WR available to play for the Bills, the best on the team last 4 years - we need to replace him. How, and with whom, when we take our limited cap space and turn it into $3M less cap space?" 1
26TrapDraw Posted March 16 Posted March 16 My two cents are as follows: you put up elite numbers every year and act like a teenage girl on instagram people tend to put up with a bunch of your bullshyt. when you play like he did down the stretch and produced that pile of cat throw up, your Diva bytch attitude all of a sudden gets very old very quick. My advice to Diggs is get back to the elite numbers help this team and you can literally say what you want. You lose that privilege when you become a JAG like he did down the stretch. he’s an ego maniac though so my money says he makes one more run. 2
Adam Posted March 16 Posted March 16 Could be anything. Could be saying goodbye to a lot of his teammates and friends that got cut and preparing for what happens with new ones. People always assume the worst of him and they’re always wrong. Maybe they need a hobby 1 1
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