Beck Water Posted February 9 Posted February 9 9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: If this is the case, a Houston trade in the next month that includes their 2024 1st makes sense. They have a couple good young WR's and may want to add a veteran to that room. They also have the cap space for such a move With that trade, the Bills, who are already $51.8M over the cap, need to come up with an extra $3.24M of cap space to make the trade, AND replace Diggs on the roster.
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 9 Posted February 9 Just now, dollars 2 donuts said: Thank you, gentlemen. BTW, Dub-Dubs (WWIP), I really do think he can still produce at a high level. Is he top 10? No, I don't think so next year. However, I truly believe 100 pulls next year really can happen, especially with more than yeomen type help on the other side. At worst, ok, low 90s. I know DK technically is a TE, but look at how he came on as a rookie after a discover-who-is-and-how-to-use-him-start. It is not impossible to expect a rookie 1st round WR to end up with 80 or so grabs, and the first #2 to fetch that mark since Beasely, a possession/slant receiver. Heck, would anybody have a big problem with Diggs 90, Rookie WR 80, DK 80, while sprinkling in 40+ 950?) from Cook and 40-50 from Knox*? I'll take it. Go Bills (* without even referencing the slot receiver at this stage) If you want to ask the question "Is Diggs play equal relative to his play when compared to other WRs?" I'd have to say at the moment, no (at this moment 6th among WRs) so I get the frustration. However, over the next year or two the WR market is going to explode. This offseason has Mike Evans, OBJ, Boyd and Tee Higgins hitting the market. Ja'Marr Chase, Keenan Allen and Amari Cooper next year. These guys are going to get paid, and they are going to get paid shattering amounts of money. I very much like a receiving corps of Diggs, a high pick rookie, Shakir, Kincaid with Cook out of the backfield. 2
Beck Water Posted February 9 Posted February 9 6 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I believe it would be possible for Diggs to agree to a contract restructure as part of the trade, and/or Houston to take on some of the cap hit, if all parties were actively working together to make this happen in March. Not that I think it will happen. But there's always a way. I can't think of a situation where the player agrees to convert bonus money he has already been paid back to salary so that it can be transferred to the new team I could be mistaken on this point, but I also think it's not allowed for a trade partner to repay the trading team for bonus money. We have had trades where the trading team agrees to take on part of the guaranteed salary, or where the player even agrees to a salary cut (this happened with Case Keenum I believe?) or a renegotiated future contract as part of the trade - But that's different than the player handing back bonuses he's already been paid, or the trade partner repaying the trading team for money they've already paid. But I'd be happy to learn about this way, tell me more?
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) 22 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: If you want to ask the question "Is Diggs play equal relative to his play when compared to other WRs?" I'd have to say at the moment, no (at this moment 6th among WRs) so I get the frustration. However, over the next year or two the WR market is going to explode. This offseason has Mike Evans, OBJ, Boyd and Tee Higgins hitting the market. Ja'Marr Chase, Keenan Allen and Amari Cooper next year. These guys are going to get paid, and they are going to get paid shattering amounts of money. I very much like a receiving corps of Diggs, a high pick rookie, Shakir, Kincaid with Cook out of the backfield. Holy mackerel, I forgot Shakir! One more guy in the draft could put us honestly in quite the sweet spot. ...as long as our offensive game plan allows for it. Edited February 9 by dollars 2 donuts 1
BuffaloBaumer Posted February 9 Posted February 9 2 hours ago, Beck Water said: I saw my best friend's neighbor's parrot 🦜 walker at the bird park yesterday and he told me Sherfield is a free agent in 2024 and Harty has a cap hit of $5.57M but a dead cap of only $1.375M, making him a prime cut target for a team $51.8M over the cap. Even if you believe "a guy at the gym" knows Sherfield and Harty, has talked to them, and they shared that Diggs "100% wants out", why would you believe a FA and a likely cut target would be plugged in to the inner workings of Buffalo's front office more than Joe on the street? And what would be their connection to Houston's FO? Beane and the Bills FO are a byword with the "NFL insiders" for living by "loose lips sink ships" and not telegraphing their moves. So while I don't disbelieve your guy at the gym story, I respectfully don't think it's too credible. Thanks for getting back to this, anyway! 'Preciate. Like I said, I couldn't care less what you think, take it as you will. He's a financial advisor for many players in the NFL and still very good friends with Brandon Beane and Joe Schein. I'm not about to give his name so obviously I know that people would start throwing around the typical my friend's neighbor's dog type of stuff. 2 1 1
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 9 Posted February 9 9 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Like I said, I couldn't care less what you think, take it as you will. He's a financial advisor for many players in the NFL and still very good friends with Brandon Beane and Joe Schein. I'm not about to give his name so obviously I know that people would start throwing around the typical my friend's neighbor's dog type of stuff. Was any more detail provided besides working on a trade with Houston? Thanks
BuffaloBaumer Posted February 9 Posted February 9 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Was any more detail provided besides working on a trade with Houston? Thanks That was it, I did not really ask anything further. He was invited to a Super Bowl suite this weekend so I was a little more interested in those details 1 1
Alphadawg7 Posted February 9 Posted February 9 If Diggs "wants out", why is he doing interviews saying he hopes he stays in Buffalo, Josh is family, and he wants to retire a Buffalo Bill? Literally saying this in his most recent interviews. Ive yet to see anyone show how it will even be mathematically possible for the Bills to trade Diggs prior to the draft so we would be able to get draft picks in this draft to rebuild the WR room. The cap hits this year and next year would be crippling to a team who has half its roster essentially as FA's right now and already a bad cap situation. Nothing is impossible, but this "trade" stuff seems to be more media created click bait stuff than anything of actual substance. 2
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted February 9 Posted February 9 2 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Holy mackerel, I forgot Shakir! One more guy in the draft could put us honestly in quite the sweet spot. ...as long as our offensive game plan allows for it. Lets not forget Shorter. 6'4 220 and runs a 4'5. Just wait until he gets on the field !!! 2
yall Posted February 9 Posted February 9 32 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: If Diggs "wants out", why is he doing interviews saying he hopes he stays in Buffalo, Josh is family, and he wants to retire a Buffalo Bill? Literally saying this in his most recent interviews. Ive yet to see anyone show how it will even be mathematically possible for the Bills to trade Diggs prior to the draft so we would be able to get draft picks in this draft to rebuild the WR room. The cap hits this year and next year would be crippling to a team who has half its roster essentially as FA's right now and already a bad cap situation. Nothing is impossible, but this "trade" stuff seems to be more media created click bait stuff than anything of actual substance. The trade rumors may well be nonsense, but a trade is probably his only way out. If he wants to endear himself to any potential suitors, of course he's going to put on a good public face. 1
Alphadawg7 Posted February 9 Posted February 9 6 minutes ago, yall said: The trade rumors may well be nonsense, but a trade is probably his only way out. If he wants to endear himself to any potential suitors, of course he's going to put on a good public face. You see this is the issue. And not picking on you with this reply, but its more a general response to a lot of the nonsense in this thread. Some of you have decided Diggs is an issue no matter what. Even when Diggs says he WANTS to be here, does NOT WANT to be traded, and WANTS to retire a Bill there are people here that will say what you just said. So, Diggs has NEVER even one time said he was unhappy in Buffalo, not once. He had NEVER said he wants out, not even once. He has NEVER once said he has any issue with Josh. Yet so many people have come to these conclusions that he wants out, isn't happy here, has an issue with Josh by "decoding" or twisting things he has said to mean something different, or taken something they saw and decided it meant something like him wanting out. But now when he DOES say he WANTS to be here, Josh IS Family, he WANTS to retire a Bill then you are saying he doesn't really mean it and it still must mean its just an act and he wants out? Do you guys even get the ridiculousness of making things up he didn't say, then disregarding the FACTUAL and EXACT things he does say? Is a trade possible, sure...nothing is impossible. But the likeliness of that is pretty low given Diggs doesn't want to be traded, Beane restating his confidence in Diggs, our cap situation, and Diggs cap hits. Earlier in this thread people were moaning about why doesn't Diggs just say it clearly then...now he goes out and flat out says what they wanted to hear in that he wants to be here, does not want to be traded, and hopes to retire a Bill and the response is now "of course he is going to put on a good public face" 2 1
Bills!Win! Posted February 9 Posted February 9 The chiefs get to the Super Bowl without hill and a bunch of bum receivers. We can get rid of Diggs 1
yall Posted February 9 Posted February 9 12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: You see this is the issue. And not picking on you with this reply, but its more a general response to a lot of the nonsense in this thread. Some of you have decided Diggs is an issue no matter what. Even when Diggs says he WANTS to be here, does NOT WANT to be traded, and WANTS to retire a Bill there are people here that will say what you just said. So, Diggs has NEVER even one time said he was unhappy in Buffalo, not once. He had NEVER said he wants out, not even once. He has NEVER once said he has any issue with Josh. Yet so many people have come to these conclusions that he wants out, isn't happy here, has an issue with Josh by "decoding" or twisting things he has said to mean something different, or taken something they saw and decided it meant something like him wanting out. But now when he DOES say he WANTS to be here, Josh IS Family, he WANTS to retire a Bill then you are saying he doesn't really mean it and it still must mean its just an act and he wants out? Do you guys even get the ridiculousness of making things up he didn't say, then disregarding the FACTUAL and EXACT things he does say? Is a trade possible, sure...nothing is impossible. But the likeliness of that is pretty low given Diggs doesn't want to be traded, Beane restating his confidence in Diggs, our cap situation, and Diggs cap hits. Earlier in this thread people were moaning about why doesn't Diggs just say it clearly then...now he goes out and flat out says what they wanted to hear in that he wants to be here, does not want to be traded, and hopes to retire a Bill and the response is now "of course he is going to put on a good public face" Explicitly stated? No he hasn't. But I think anyone who is paying attention can clearly see he's trying to stir something up with his purposefully cagey statements and vague tweets. 1 2 2
Alphadawg7 Posted February 9 Posted February 9 2 minutes ago, yall said: Explicitly stated? No he hasn't. But I think anyone who is paying attention can clearly see he's trying to stir something up with his purposefully cagey statements and vague tweets. Cagey as in flat out stating he wants to retire a Bill, he hopes he isn't traded, and that Josh is family? And even the other statements were not cagey either if you listen to the whole interviews. But when people like @Einsteinstart threads like this with cherry picking a line or two out of context to paint a biased narrative then yeah it can sound cagey when it is not. 1 1
2003Contenders Posted February 9 Posted February 9 3 hours ago, Beck Water said: I can't think of a situation where the player agrees to convert bonus money he has already been paid back to salary so that it can be transferred to the new team I could be mistaken on this point, but I also think it's not allowed for a trade partner to repay the trading team for bonus money. We have had trades where the trading team agrees to take on part of the guaranteed salary, or where the player even agrees to a salary cut (this happened with Case Keenum I believe?) or a renegotiated future contract as part of the trade - But that's different than the player handing back bonuses he's already been paid, or the trade partner repaying the trading team for money they've already paid. But I'd be happy to learn about this way, tell me more? The closest situation like this I can think of happened with Lavar Arrington (15-20 years ago). Recall that back in those days Daniel Snyder and the (then) Redskins went crazy each off-season throwing money around at free agents, back-loading contracts to circumvent the cap, etc. Eventually it came time to pay the piper: they were way over the cap and running out of guys to restructure to help create cap space. Arrington wanted out -- but the cap hit to trade or cut him was too exhaustive for Washington to do anything in those regards. Knowing that he had suitors on the horizon, Arrington repaid Washington a portion of monies already paid to him in the form of signing bonuses, etc. which provided the team with the cap relief they needed to cut him. Arrington landed on his feet with the Giants, who gave him enough up-front money to make this whole transaction worth his while. I highly doubt Diggs would be up for a deal like this.
Einstein Posted February 9 Author Posted February 9 1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Lets not forget Shorter. 6'4 220 and runs a 4'5. Just wait until he gets on the field !!! I have a feeling the Bills think Shorter is pretty raw, so they stashed him on IR. 2
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 9 Posted February 9 1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Lets not forget Shorter. 6'4 220 and runs a 4'5. Just wait until he gets on the field !!! It would be a pleasant surprise if he made any sort of impact 1
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, yall said: Explicitly stated? No he hasn't. But I think anyone who is paying attention can clearly see he's trying to stir something up with his purposefully cagey statements and vague tweets. Uh, yeah. He LITERALLY did just yesterday. But we're just going to ignore him reiterating he wants to retire a Bill and doesn't want to be traded as recent as 24 hours ago - because then how can we talk about getting him off the team otherwise? Edited February 9 by BillsFanForever19 1 1
yall Posted February 9 Posted February 9 13 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Uh, yeah. He LITERALLY did just yesterday. But we're just going to ignore him reiterating he wants to retire a Bill and doesn't want to be traded as recent as 24 hours ago - because then how can we talk about getting him off the team otherwise? Try reading that conversation again and look at the question to which I was responding. Settle down Beavis.
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, yall said: Try reading that conversation again and look at the question to which I was responding. Settle down Beavis. Okay, I see, you're not saying he explicitly hasn't said he wants to be here - but that he's never explicitly said he wants out. My honest apologies. It's kind of the same thing though. You say he's trying to stir up something, which could mean a number of different things. But when he says he doesn't want to be traded and he wants to retire a Bill - exact words that negate the one possibility that everyone is giving credence to - it goes ignored. If he's trying to stir anything up, it's getting people talking about him in the Offseason. He finds a way to do that every year, in media starved Buffalo. Edited February 9 by BillsFanForever19 1
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