Goin Breakdown Posted February 9 Posted February 9 10 hours ago, Beck Water said: So this is an interesting question. Where and when did Diggs say Josh is his brother? Allen says that about Josh. I have not heard Diggs say that about Allen. Diggs said that? Can you point me at where/when? Guess I'm super late responding to this. So I'm sure you've seen by now.
EasternOHBillsFan Posted February 9 Posted February 9 16 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I think that's people putting their wishes into reading his comments. Diggs statement is among the most bland statement I can imagine. "However it goes" is pretty clear cut... come on.
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 9 Posted February 9 1 minute ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: "However it goes" is pretty clear cut... come on. I am willing to bet -5000 odds that Diggs in on the roster come the season opening. I give it better than even money that he gets his contract reworked to shift guaranteed money further down his contract. You want to talk 25, 26? Maybe. I'd expect those comments are more for then. 1 1
BuffaloBaumer Posted February 9 Posted February 9 I am fine with a complete youth movement this offseason. This could be the year where the first half of the season shows growing pains and then, similar to the Chiefs, the Bills starting ramping it up in December.
EasternOHBillsFan Posted February 9 Posted February 9 6 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I am willing to bet -5000 odds that Diggs in on the roster come the season opening. I give it better than even money that he gets his contract reworked to shift guaranteed money further down his contract. You want to talk 25, 26? Maybe. I'd expect those comments are more for then. Something is up... so the negotiations will either end in a restructure or a trade. I don't see how this can be misinterpreted considering how the season ended for Stef.
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 9 Posted February 9 3 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Something is up... so the negotiations will either end in a restructure or a trade. I don't see how this can be misinterpreted considering how the season ended for Stef. Well, I have heard that Brandon Beane includes language in his contracts that means that a base salary conversion can happen without player say so. He makes this part of his standard free agent contracts. I far more see Diggs' comments being about how he has zero choice in how that goes, because he can get restructred without his permission and stay in Buffalo or he knows that if he isn't restructured then 2024 is a make it or break it year and if things don't go well he's probably on a different team in 2025. This sounds much more likely that "Secret trade deal that wrecks the Bills cap" 1 1
Beck Water Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Saw a guy at the gym today that said he was talking with Sherfield and Hardy yesterday saying that Houston is working on a trade for Diggs and he 100% wants out. Take it as you will… I saw my best friend's neighbor's parrot 🦜 walker at the bird park yesterday and he told me Sherfield is a free agent in 2024 and Harty has a cap hit of $5.57M but a dead cap of only $1.375M, making him a prime cut target for a team $51.8M over the cap. Even if you believe "a guy at the gym" knows Sherfield and Harty, has talked to them, and they shared that Diggs "100% wants out", why would you believe a FA and a likely cut target would be plugged in to the inner workings of Buffalo's front office more than Joe on the street? And what would be their connection to Houston's FO? Beane and the Bills FO are a byword with the "NFL insiders" for living by "loose lips sink ships" and not telegraphing their moves. So while I don't disbelieve your guy at the gym story, I respectfully don't think it's too credible. 38 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said: Guess I'm super late responding to this. So I'm sure you've seen by now. Thanks for getting back to this, anyway! 'Preciate. Edited February 9 by Beck Water 2
Beck Water Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) On 2/3/2024 at 9:35 PM, boyst said: He is a pro athlete. Most of them are narcissists or have narcissistic tendencies. Especially at the "skill" positions. I mean, they're kind of groomed for it, right? Since grade school, most of these guys were the unbelievable athlete that carried their peewee and HS team to victory, then their college team. Depending on where they go to school and live, they may have been getting special treatment for it - police let them off with a warning, teachers give them a pass. And the WR and DB positions especially require a guy with a large and sturdy ego, because everything they do is visible. Then, they take a lot of hard hits, especially to the head. Edited February 9 by Beck Water
Beck Water Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) On 2/8/2024 at 3:40 AM, JGMcD2 said: I wish I knew what Diggs was doing. He wasn’t happy with Kirk Cousins in Minnesota. Okay, fine, I can see why that would be the case. Now he’s not happy with Josh Allen in Buffalo. What’s his end-game here? Did he not watch what the Cowboys did with Dak down the stretch? Eagles with Hurts? Ravens with Lamar? Unless he ends up with Mahomes in KC (highly unlikely), he’s not going to end up somewhere with equal or higher level quarterbacking. He’s not happy with McDermott? Sure. I know a lot of people here aren’t too. I once again ask… Mike McCarthy? Nick Sirianni? I mean come on, Diggs. I'm coming from a place of not knowing Diggs or anyone in his camp at all, but my sense of him from the outside (for whatever it's worth) is that he may be a guy who is just not emotionally well regulated. So he has a lot of emotions build up inside him - pressure to perform, unhappiness at how he's being utilized in the offensive scheme, unhappiness at not being seen and targeted when he's open, unhappiness at being targeted sometimes when it's a high degree of difficulty catch - but he might not be able to put those feelings in the perspective of what you point out as positives - "I have one of the best QB throwing to me and the chance to build a super-strong and trusting relationship with him" "I'm on a football team which is a strong organization with quality coaching" - sort them into "things I can control" "things I can influence" "things beyond my control", and focus on the former. So I think he may just have emotions building up, and they come out in whatever direction he can think of at the time, if that makes sense. Sort of the football equivalent of Joaquin Anduhar in the '85 world series where he was ejected and destroyed a toilet in the Royals clubhouse? One thing I felt was very positive this season was hearing Sherfield and Diggs both talking about "outcome neutral performance". Sherfield talked about how he came in believing that if he did X and Y as far as training, nutrition, etc - he would "earn" playing time and targets, but he realized that isn't true - he can do everything right and he still might not get the playing time or the targets, so he tries to focus on preparing the best he can and playing the best he can, and not worrying about the outcome. I also heard Diggs actually acknowledging that there are other guys in the WR room who are working their butts off and not having things work out for them as they hoped (Harty saw 13% of offensive snaps, Sherfield 33%). That was a first for anything I've heard from him. I don't know if that's the influence of new-for-2023 WR coach Adam Henry, or possibly a sports psychologist - but I think it was about the first time I've heard Diggs publicly acknowledge that there are other people on the team who aren't getting what they want. Edited February 9 by Beck Water
Goin Breakdown Posted February 9 Posted February 9 35 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I saw my best friend's neighbor's parrot 🦜 walker at the bird park yesterday and he told me Sherfield is a free agent in 2024 and Harty has a cap hit of $5.57M but a dead cap of only $1.375M, making him a prime cut target for a team $51.8M over the cap. Even if you believe "a guy at the gym" knows Sherfield and Harty, has talked to them, and they shared that Diggs "100% wants out", why would you believe a FA and a likely cut target would be plugged in to the inner workings of Buffalo's front office more than Joe on the street? And what would be their connection to Houston's FO? Beane and the Bills FO are a byword with the "NFL insiders" for living by "loose lips sink ships" and not telegraphing their moves. So while I don't disbelieve your guy at the gym story, I respectfully don't think it's too credible. Thanks for getting back to this, anyway! 'Preciate. No problem. I enjoy chatting with ya
boyst Posted February 9 Posted February 9 39 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I mean, they're kind of groomed for it, right? Since grade school, most of these guys were the unbelievable athlete that carried their peewee and HS team to victory, then their college team. Depending on where they go to school and live, they may have been getting special treatment for it - police let them off with a warning, teachers give them a pass. And the WR and DB positions especially require a guy with a large and sturdy ego, because everything they do is visible. Then, they take a lot of hard hits, especially to the head. 100% - the best jocks in hs. we all knew them growing up. some peaked early. some did not. those that peaked in high school were always interesting case studies. 1
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/stefon-diggs-16872/ Just to reiterate for those of you thinking about moving on from him that apparently his cap hit makes it virtually impossible to move on from him for the next two years. If I am reading this properly it is a $31 million hit this year and a $22+ million hit next year. He's our guy. He's here. He isn't going anywhere, even if you and he want to move on. If I am mistaken, and I may be, please let me know. Go Bills Edited February 9 by dollars 2 donuts 1
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) 3 hours ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Saw a guy at the gym today that said he was talking with Sherfield and Hardy yesterday saying that Houston is working on a trade for Diggs and he 100% wants out. Take it as you will… Harty* No fair! I had the idea with Houston first! Seriously though, a person claimed he knew Diggs reached out to a former Texans WR about the city and organization Texans have a lot of cap space and putting Diggs with Collins and Tank Dell gives them a really nice group for Stroud Edited February 9 by Warriorspikes51
Beck Water Posted February 9 Posted February 9 26 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/stefon-diggs-16872/ Just to reiterate for those of you thinking about moving on from him that apparently his cap hit makes it virtually impossible to move on from him for the next two years. If I am reading this properly it is a $31 million hit this year and a $22+ million hit next year. He's our guy. He's here. He isn't going anywhere, even if you and he want to move on. If I am mistaken, and I may be, please let me know. Go Bills You are not mistaken. People have all sorts of notions like "trade him after June 1", ignoring the fact that Diggs $18.5M salary guarantees early in March so the Bills would have to 1) have the cap space to carry Diggs $27.35 cap hit until after June 1 2) find a trade partner who still has $18.5M cap space available after June 1 3) what would they receive in trade? Can't be a 2024 draft pick, June 1 is after the draft 1 1 1 1
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: You are not mistaken. People have all sorts of notions like "trade him after June 1", ignoring the fact that Diggs $18.5M salary guarantees early in March so the Bills would have to 1) have the cap space to carry Diggs $27.35 cap hit until after June 1 2) find a trade partner who still has $18.5M cap space available after June 1 3) what would they receive in trade? Can't be a 2024 draft pick, June 1 is after the draft If this is the case, a Houston trade in the next month that includes their 2024 1st makes sense. They have a couple good young WR's and may want to add a veteran to that room. They also have the cap space for such a move Edited February 9 by Warriorspikes51
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 9 Posted February 9 25 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/stefon-diggs-16872/ Just to reiterate for those of you thinking about moving on from him that apparently his cap hit makes it virtually impossible to move on from him for the next two years. If I am reading this properly it is a $31 million hit this year and a $22+ million hit next year. He's our guy. He's here. He isn't going anywhere, even if you and he want to move on. If I am mistaken, and I may be, please let me know. Go Bills I pretty much agree with you. These trade proposals are so outlandish that I really can't believe there is any real chance of coming to pass. I mean, a player for player trade not only means that the Bills take a major bath on cap space they don't have, then they have to pay the other guy. I mean, I can see that it's possible that Beane is looking down the road and sees stuff that we don't, and that in 2025 the team gets what they can for him. But Diggs is entering year three of a six year contact. Even his worst year as a Bill he was still 13th in the league in receiving yards. With the cap situation as it is, I find it far and away more likely that Beane restructures the contract and starts grooming a successor with a plan to move Diggs inside like the Cardinals did with Fitzgerald. Diggs' skillset has never been elite speed or size, it's that he has above average and is a great route runner which in my mind would make him dominant if we have someone else to stick on the boundary. 1
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) 3 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I pretty much agree with you. These trade proposals are so outlandish that I really can't believe there is any real chance of coming to pass. I mean, a player for player trade not only means that the Bills take a major bath on cap space they don't have, then they have to pay the other guy. I mean, I can see that it's possible that Beane is looking down the road and sees stuff that we don't, and that in 2025 the team gets what they can for him. But Diggs is entering year three of a six year contact. Even his worst year as a Bill he was still 13th in the league in receiving yards. With the cap situation as it is, I find it far and away more likely that Beane restructures the contract and starts grooming a successor with a plan to move Diggs inside like the Cardinals did with Fitzgerald. Diggs' skillset has never been elite speed or size, it's that he has above average and is a great route runner which in my mind would make him dominant if we have someone else to stick on the boundary. I really like this plan as well if he were to stay. Its's been frustrating how little we seemingly use Diggs on real quick hit slants. He is truly elite there. Instead we insist on pinning him outside the numbers along the sidelines on so many plays. He's still good there, but we're not using him to the best of his ability Edited February 9 by Warriorspikes51
Beck Water Posted February 9 Posted February 9 18 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Seriously though, a person claimed he knew Diggs reached out to a former Texans WR about the city and organization Texans have a lot of cap space and putting Diggs with Collins and Tank Dell gives them a really nice group for Stroud If Diggs wants to know about Houston and the Texans organization, why wouldn't he reach out to 2023 Texans RB Devin Singletary and 2023 Texans DE Jerry Hughes, both former teammates he must know well, especially Singletary? Not to mention Case Keenum? The Texans do have a lot of cap space. They also have 28 free agents, some of whom they undoubtedly want to keep. 1
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Beck Water said: You are not mistaken. People have all sorts of notions like "trade him after June 1", ignoring the fact that Diggs $18.5M salary guarantees early in March so the Bills would have to 1) have the cap space to carry Diggs $27.35 cap hit until after June 1 2) find a trade partner who still has $18.5M cap space available after June 1 3) what would they receive in trade? Can't be a 2024 draft pick, June 1 is after the draft 9 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I pretty much agree with you. These trade proposals are so outlandish that I really can't believe there is any real chance of coming to pass. I mean, a player for player trade not only means that the Bills take a major bath on cap space they don't have, then they have to pay the other guy. I mean, I can see that it's possible that Beane is looking down the road and sees stuff that we don't, and that in 2025 the team gets what they can for him. But Diggs is entering year three of a six year contact. Even his worst year as a Bill he was still 13th in the league in receiving yards. With the cap situation as it is, I find it far and away more likely that Beane restructures the contract and starts grooming a successor with a plan to move Diggs inside like the Cardinals did with Fitzgerald. Diggs' skillset has never been elite speed or size, it's that he has above average and is a great route runner which in my mind would make him dominant if we have someone else to stick on the boundary. Thank you, gentlemen. BTW, Dub-Dubs (WWIP), I really do think he can still produce at a high level. Is he top 10? No, I don't think so next year. However, I truly believe 100 pulls next year really can happen (for a 5th straight year), especially with more than yeomen type help on the other side. At worst, ok, low 90s. I know DK technically is a TE, but look at how he came on as a rookie after a discover-who-is-and-how-to-use-him-start. It is not impossible to expect a rookie 1st round WR to end up with 80 or so grabs, and the first #2 to fetch that mark since Beasely, a possession/slant receiver. Heck, would anybody have a big problem with Diggs 90, Rookie WR 80, DK 80, while sprinkling in 40+ 950?) from Cook and 40-50 from Knox*? I'll take it. Go Bills (* without even referencing the slot receiver at this stage) Edited February 9 by dollars 2 donuts
HappyDays Posted February 9 Posted February 9 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Beck Water said: You are not mistaken. People have all sorts of notions like "trade him after June 1", ignoring the fact that Diggs $18.5M salary guarantees early in March so the Bills would have to 1) have the cap space to carry Diggs $27.35 cap hit until after June 1 2) find a trade partner who still has $18.5M cap space available after June 1 3) what would they receive in trade? Can't be a 2024 draft pick, June 1 is after the draft I believe it would be possible for Diggs to agree to a contract restructure as part of the trade, and/or Houston to take on some of the cap hit, if all parties were actively working together to make this happen in March. Not that I think it will happen. But there's always a way. Edited February 9 by HappyDays 1 1
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