HappyDays Posted February 7 Posted February 7 49 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Why? Just curious. I am sure you have reasons, I just always wonder what's up when we get some of these "I could if I would but I won't" type cryptic comments (John Wawrow is somewhat notable for them) Speaking for myself - There are times where I will hear something that I know will never be officially confirmed, and it just doesn't feel right to post those stories here since inflammatory unconfirmed stories don't breed good discussion. A couple other times I've heard something where the source of the report would be obvious so I won't post it. So I tend to report things like injury news or imminent signings I hear from my source where I know it will be confirmed before long and there's no direct link back to my source. For the record I am also aware of one stunt that Diggs pulled this season which was very immature and directly impacted the team, and I know for a fact it is a different instance from what @SectionC3 is referring to, but for the reasons I outlined above I don't feel comfortable giving out the full details. Suffice it to say Diggs has built a reputation of being a headache, and that reputation extends beyond what is publicly reported. A couple other posters on here have alluded to other instances as well. It's no big secret that Diggs has an attitude problem. My personal opinion is that the attitude is worth the player we got in 2020-2022 but not worth the player we got in the final 10 games of the 2023 season. 3 1 1
Beck Water Posted February 7 Posted February 7 22 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Speaking for myself - There are times where I will hear something that I know will never be officially confirmed, and it just doesn't feel right to post those stories here since inflammatory unconfirmed stories don't breed good discussion. A couple other times I've heard something where the source of the report would be obvious so I won't post it. So I tend to report things like injury news or imminent signings I hear from my source where I know it will be confirmed before long and there's no direct link back to my source. For the record I am also aware of one stunt that Diggs pulled this season which was very immature and directly impacted the team, and I know for a fact it is a different instance from what @SectionC3 is referring to, but for the reasons I outlined above I don't feel comfortable giving out the full details. Suffice it to say Diggs has built a reputation of being a headache, and that reputation extends beyond what is publicly reported. A couple other posters on here have alluded to other instances as well. It's no big secret that Diggs has an attitude problem. My personal opinion is that the attitude is worth the player we got in 2020-2022 but not worth the player we got in the final 10 games of the 2023 season. Thanks! I really appreciate the insight into the thoughts behind what you hear vs. what you feel like you can share. I do agree completely that unconfirmed stories (especially if inflammatory) aren't the best food for quality discussion here. I have heard from another source that "Diggs is a problem", but again, with no details. Just a note that Diggs performance pretty well fell off the last 7 (8) games of last season as well. Do you have any insight you can share into why the performance dropped off? Cumulative dings? Checking out? Other?
Process Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 30 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Speaking for myself - There are times where I will hear something that I know will never be officially confirmed, and it just doesn't feel right to post those stories here since inflammatory unconfirmed stories don't breed good discussion. A couple other times I've heard something where the source of the report would be obvious so I won't post it. So I tend to report things like injury news or imminent signings I hear from my source where I know it will be confirmed before long and there's no direct link back to my source. For the record I am also aware of one stunt that Diggs pulled this season which was very immature and directly impacted the team, and I know for a fact it is a different instance from what @SectionC3 is referring to, but for the reasons I outlined above I don't feel comfortable giving out the full details. Suffice it to say Diggs has built a reputation of being a headache, and that reputation extends beyond what is publicly reported. A couple other posters on here have alluded to other instances as well. It's no big secret that Diggs has an attitude problem. My personal opinion is that the attitude is worth the player we got in 2020-2022 but not worth the player we got in the final 10 games of the 2023 season. Oh come on you can't leave us hanging like that. I'm jk, I get it. But from based on what you know, are his antics a result of him wanting out of Buffalo? Or is the guy just a headcase? Edited February 7 by Process
HappyDays Posted February 7 Posted February 7 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Do you have any insight you can share into why the performance dropped off? Cumulative dings? Checking out? Other? I can only speculate. I haven't heard from my source that he has any performance-related injuries but I also haven't heard definitively that he doesn't. I tend to think not because he participated in the Pro Bowl and there were no surgeries reported after the season like you see with some players. Truth be told most players are playing with some sort of injury by the last quarter of the season, I think most fans that pay attention know that by now. I worry that he simply hit the wall very suddenly. We'll see. 33 minutes ago, Process said: But from based on what you know, are his antics a result of him wanting out of Buffalo? Or is the guy just a headcase? On this, again, I can only speculate. I don't think he specifically wants out of Buffalo. Headcase is the right word. I mean this is a pattern of behavior going back to Minnesota. I don't know why anybody on here still tries to defend it or act like the media is making something out of nothing. They say where there's smoke there's fire; with Diggs I would say where there's fire there's fire. His behavior isn't subtle. Last year's training camp started with Diggs being absent on day one and the head coach publicly announcing that he was "very concerned." What else do people need to see to understand that drama follows Diggs everywhere? How many times do you try to come up with excuses before you just accept that this is who he is? And yes these bizarre answers he gives to basic interview questions are part of the same formula. I think he just has trouble controlling his emotions. Everyone has played a pickup basketball game with that one guy that takes it way too seriously and gets on his teammates for the littlest things. I think that is Diggs' personality to a tee. Edited February 7 by HappyDays 1 4
thenorthremembers Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Whatever happens we should know very soon. They need to restructure contracts to have money for free agency and the draft. If he isnt restructured he is likely on his way out. If he is, he will be here.
SectionC3 Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Speaking for myself - There are times where I will hear something that I know will never be officially confirmed, and it just doesn't feel right to post those stories here since inflammatory unconfirmed stories don't breed good discussion. A couple other times I've heard something where the source of the report would be obvious so I won't post it. So I tend to report things like injury news or imminent signings I hear from my source where I know it will be confirmed before long and there's no direct link back to my source. For the record I am also aware of one stunt that Diggs pulled this season which was very immature and directly impacted the team, and I know for a fact it is a different instance from what @SectionC3 is referring to, but for the reasons I outlined above I don't feel comfortable giving out the full details. Suffice it to say Diggs has built a reputation of being a headache, and that reputation extends beyond what is publicly reported. A couple other posters on here have alluded to other instances as well. It's no big secret that Diggs has an attitude problem. My personal opinion is that the attitude is worth the player we got in 2020-2022 but not worth the player we got in the final 10 games of the 2023 season. This. Huge attitude problem is an apt characterization. Also maybe not an idiot, but does some things that an idiot would do.
Aussie Joe Posted February 7 Posted February 7 10 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Whatever happens we should know very soon. They need to restructure contracts to have money for free agency and the draft. If he isnt restructured he is likely on his way out. If he is, he will be here. If by “restructuring “ you mean taking a pay cut …. I don’t see that happening … If you mean pushing some of his money further down the line … could happen I guess I think he is here next year regardless 1
first_and_ten Posted February 7 Posted February 7 On 2/6/2024 at 12:20 PM, brianthomas said: saw this on twitter this morning & almost had a heart attack. Was curious how'd you all feel if this did happen i dont hate the idea personally & the trade partner surely makes sense given the history. Ideally i'd like things to work with Diggs here. But a trade like this would be bold & likely one of the only ways we can get out of the contract, without really hurting ourselves in the process This would confirm to me that McDermott still thinks defense is the way to win in this league. Personally, I feel that you build around our great quarterback.
BuffaloRebound Posted February 7 Posted February 7 On 2/6/2024 at 12:20 PM, brianthomas said: saw this on twitter this morning & almost had a heart attack. Was curious how'd you all feel if this did happen i dont hate the idea personally & the trade partner surely makes sense given the history. Ideally i'd like things to work with Diggs here. But a trade like this would be bold & likely one of the only ways we can get out of the contract, without really hurting ourselves in the process I’d do that trade in a heartbeat, but not sure Carolina is desperate enough for a WR to trade Burns straight up for Diggs. Seems like wishful thinking. 1
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 7 Posted February 7 1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said: I’d do that trade in a heartbeat, but not sure Carolina is desperate enough for a WR to trade Burns straight up for Diggs. Seems like wishful thinking. It also neglects any salary cap implications. It's silly season, prepare for 6 weeks of wild speculation that comes to naught. 1
nedboy7 Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Diggs is a problem and you can clearly tell from the way Josh was interacting w his this season. 1 1
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 7 Posted February 7 56 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Whatever happens we should know very soon. They need to restructure contracts to have money for free agency and the draft. If he isnt restructured he is likely on his way out. If he is, he will be here. March 13th is the start of FA, March 11th the legal tampering period. So 5 weeks from today we have to be under the cap. Agreed, we should start hearing something soon. The combine is in 2 weeks, things should really heat up then. 1
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 7 Posted February 7 3 hours ago, Beck Water said: Why? Just curious. I am sure you have reasons, I just always wonder what's up when we get some of these "I could if I would but I won't" type cryptic comments (John Wawrow is somewhat notable for them) I could be mistaken, but to my understanding the only time one can post-date a roster move is with a CUT. Not a trade. A CUT. And when one does post-date a cut to after June 1, the cap relief only takes place after June 1st. I may be wrong then. I thought multiple WR trades in last few offseasons were designated to be “official” post June 1
BuffaloRebound Posted February 7 Posted February 7 13 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: It also neglects any salary cap implications. It's silly season, prepare for 6 weeks of wild speculation that comes to naught. Honestly if we could sign Mike Evans, I’d cut Diggs. Designate him as a post June 1 cut. Draft a WR in first 2 rounds and roll with Evans, Shakir, and rookie as your top 3. Evans would be an upgrade to Diggs on the field and would come with a lot less drama. 1
Beck Water Posted February 7 Posted February 7 32 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I may be wrong then. I thought multiple WR trades in last few offseasons were designated to be “official” post June 1 Found this from Pro Football Network (generally reliable about procedures and so forth): Quote One last important note: There is no post-June 1 designation for trades. A team can wait until after June 1 to process a trade and will see the same cap benefits we outlined, but they cannot trade a player in April and designate the deal as a post-June 1 trade. The trade may have been made earlier, and PROCESSED after June 1, but you can't trade a player, transfer liability for his March bonuses and so forth to his new club, and then designate the trade post-June 1 like you can when you cut a player
Beck Water Posted February 7 Posted February 7 3 hours ago, HappyDays said: Speaking for myself - There are times where I will hear something that I know will never be officially confirmed, and it just doesn't feel right to post those stories here since inflammatory unconfirmed stories don't breed good discussion. A couple other times I've heard something where the source of the report would be obvious so I won't post it. So I tend to report things like injury news or imminent signings I hear from my source where I know it will be confirmed before long and there's no direct link back to my source. For the record I am also aware of one stunt that Diggs pulled this season which was very immature and directly impacted the team, and I know for a fact it is a different instance from what @SectionC3 is referring to, but for the reasons I outlined above I don't feel comfortable giving out the full details. Suffice it to say Diggs has built a reputation of being a headache, and that reputation extends beyond what is publicly reported. A couple other posters on here have alluded to other instances as well. It's no big secret that Diggs has an attitude problem. My personal opinion is that the attitude is worth the player we got in 2020-2022 but not worth the player we got in the final 10 games of the 2023 season. 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: This. Huge attitude problem is an apt characterization. Also maybe not an idiot, but does some things that an idiot would do. OK apologies in advance if this is boundary pushing, please feel free to tell me to "stand down". Someone in the Buffalo press corps, or maybe it was Cover1, commented that with regard to Allen and Diggs "the Bro-mance is definitely over". Publicly, Josh is still very consistent and strong in support of Diggs: "that's my brother" "competitor" "he understands we can't force the ball to him". Publicly, Diggs is NOT strong in support of Allen. Any insight there? 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: On this, again, I can only speculate. I don't think he specifically wants out of Buffalo. Headcase is the right word. I mean this is a pattern of behavior going back to Minnesota. I don't know why anybody on here still tries to defend it or act like the media is making something out of nothing. They say where there's smoke there's fire; with Diggs I would say where there's fire there's fire. His behavior isn't subtle. Last year's training camp started with Diggs being absent on day one and the head coach publicly announcing that he was "very concerned." What else do people need to see to understand that drama follows Diggs everywhere? How many times do you try to come up with excuses before you just accept that this is who he is? And yes these bizarre answers he gives to basic interview questions are part of the same formula. I think he just has trouble controlling his emotions. Everyone has played a pickup basketball game with that one guy that takes it way too seriously and gets on his teammates for the littlest things. I think that is Diggs' personality to a tee. It wasn't training camp, it was optional "organized team activities", and then there was that weirdness where Adisa Bakari (Diggs agent) said he was given permission to leave by McDermott after discussions with McDermott and Beane regarding some issue he had. I'm not defending Diggs - I think it's a very bad look when a team captain storms out of the building or refuses to talk to the press. I am pointing out if people are still defending Diggs, it's because the picture has been muddled and there isn't definitive information out there (not to be interpreted as an attempt to get you to "spill the tea", just a point that there isn't spilt tea)
rm -rf /* Posted February 8 Posted February 8 Diggs is a supremely talented pain in the ass. He has always been this way. It seemed to really change once Brady took over. If his contract was not such an albatross around Beanes neck I am certain Cleveland and Dorsey would be stupid enough to take him on and we would would be wise to do it. Ain't happening this year unless some sage salary cap guru knows something I don't.
SectionC3 Posted February 8 Posted February 8 3 hours ago, Beck Water said: OK apologies in advance if this is boundary pushing, please feel free to tell me to "stand down". Someone in the Buffalo press corps, or maybe it was Cover1, commented that with regard to Allen and Diggs "the Bro-mance is definitely over". Publicly, Josh is still very consistent and strong in support of Diggs: "that's my brother" "competitor" "he understands we can't force the ball to him". Publicly, Diggs is NOT strong in support of Allen. Any insight there? It wasn't training camp, it was optional "organized team activities", and then there was that weirdness where Adisa Bakari (Diggs agent) said he was given permission to leave by McDermott after discussions with McDermott and Beane regarding some issue he had. I'm not defending Diggs - I think it's a very bad look when a team captain storms out of the building or refuses to talk to the press. I am pointing out if people are still defending Diggs, it's because the picture has been muddled and there isn't definitive information out there (not to be interpreted as an attempt to get you to "spill the tea", just a point that there isn't spilt tea) None. 4 hours ago, nedboy7 said: Diggs is a problem and you can clearly tell from the way Josh was interacting w his this season. This is just a guess, but my bet is that there are a lot of people in the facility exhausted by his BS.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 8 Posted February 8 5 hours ago, first_and_ten said: This would confirm to me that McDermott still thinks defense is the way to win in this league. Personally, I feel that you build around our great quarterback. One thing we don’t talk about is Diggs in elimination games. He sucks. Why is everyone so afraid of the Diggs conversation? Diggs has been a great addition. Yes we’d be better with Justin Jefferson but we don’t have to validate the trade. Diggs was a great WR addition. But I’m not afraid to move on at this point. He’s not helping us win a championship when he disappears every elimination game. Let’s be real. It’s not going to get better as he ages. He’s got zero playoff TDs the last 3 years. Rip the bandaid off.
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