Alphadawg7 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, FireChans said: That's true. Here's what Diggs said about his future with the Bills in 2022. "I felt like my next spot was my last spot," Diggs said to the media after signing his extension. "I wanted it to be my home, and I didn't want to ever go anywhere. It was important to me especially in my first year and second year, you just kind of felt like you were building family." Here's what Diggs said about his future with the Bills in 2024. " I don't know, I feel like, as far as all of that with the money and all that type of stuff, I can't control none of that. I kind of put my hat on. It's a long offseason, and as far as what the future holds, I don't have any surprises for you right now." Do these comments seem different to you? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? BONUS INFO: Here's Diggs in Minnesota: "But things soured between Diggs and Minnesota in the two years following, despite the receiver enjoying career-high production. Diggs was fined in October for missing Vikings meetings and practices, which preceded and inspired trade rumors that subsided but never really went away." Wow, Diggs skipping meetings and missing practices? That seems......kind of familiar. Diggs negative comments in Minnesota circa 2019: "I can't sit up here and say everything is okay, it's obviously not. What I can say at this point is just try to work through it." Of course, Minnesota fans were twisting themselves into KNOTS that all was well with Diggs at that time. He's just a fiery guy! And then, of course, Diggs backtracked: #Vikings WR Stefon Diggs on his comments last week: "I never said I was unhappy or uncomfortable with my role. I said I wanted to win, that was what my frustrations were and that's where it kind of got misconstrued last week.'' Well, at least we know he later cleared the air and definitely wasn't traded in the offseason...... Here's the story of Diggs in TC this season: “Diggs’ frustration is with his role in the offense and his voice in play-calling, per a league source close to the Bills’ locker room,” Volin wrote. “He was visibly agitated at Allen during the 27-10 playoff loss to the Bengals, stormed out of the locker room almost immediately after the game, and didn’t attend any voluntary workouts this offseason.” Hmmmmm, kind of sounds familiar as well. This post might actually be worse than your last post. Is it sweaty with that tin foil hat on? Talk about trying to force a narrative, this actually wreaks of desperation. 1
FireChans Posted February 6 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: This post might actually be worse than your last post. Is it sweaty with that tin foil hat on? Talk about trying to force a narrative, this actually wreaks of desperation. You didn't post a single thing of substance to refute any of it lol. Talk about "wreaking" of desperation. I'm pretty confident Diggs will be gone in 25. Maybe earlier. Feel free to bookmark this post. BTW, McD absolutely did want to run the football more, which Brady did, and why he got hired. Score one more for the good guys.
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 14 minutes ago, FireChans said: You're just assuming that he doesn't "mean" his controversial statements, right? That's your shade of gray. He's saying controversial things, things that will get media headlines, speculation, etc etc, he just doesn't mean them? That's fine to have that take. It's not fine to have that take, and also say "he's not saying anything controversial." So if you agree that he's saying controversial things on purpose, which it sounds like you do, you seem pretty confident he means nothing by it or that he's just "trolling." I'm not sure where you have gotten that level of confidence. Because on Diggs' last team, he said a lot of controversial things, and was eventually traded. Maybe you know Diggs or his camp intimately? I don't think he said anything "controversial" here. He simply didn't say exactly what you wanted to hear. It was a perfectly standard statement that I've heard players say many times before. And in not saying exactly what you wanted to hear, you're reading between the lines. If you re-read the post that you're both using as a "gotcha", I never said that was what he was doing in this case specifically. On the contrary, I ended it by saying he's done things in the past worth discussing. But that this is nothing. Something I've alluded to this entire time. Do I know the Diggs camp intimately? No, I don't. But we're entering Year 5 of Diggs on this team. We've seen him play with the media and say and do things way more, enigmatically, if you will. And the result is the same. He's either flat out re-signed with the team and professed his desire to be here forever or suited up every game that year. I could play the same game with you. Do you know the Diggs camp intimately? Because this is the most yawn worthy of "news" attributed to him in the Offseason. Why are you so sure it means more than what he very clearly said? Why is this so different? Edited February 6 by BillsFanForever19
HappyDays Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Punching yourself in the taint by cutting a player who has had over a thousand yards the last four years straight for negative cap space is only in the head of shock jocks desperate for hot takes and delusional recense bias fans. Again, it is not negative cap space to move on from Diggs if done as a post-6/1 designation. 1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: And would it shock you that 7 receivers in the history of the NFL had more yards their rookie season than Diggs had last year? Something happened to Diggs around the Jacksonville game. Before that he was excellent, I believe on pace for his best season ever. In that game he let a 5'9 CB rip the ball out of his hands, and then his season progressively got worse from there. Over the final 10 games he had 422 yards on 80 targets... So like I said it would not be a surprise for a 1st round rookie WR to exceed that performance, with Allen throwing the ball it would be the expectation really. Kincaid is the first pass catcher we drafted in the 1st round in the Josh Allen era and he immediately broke a couple franchise records. Any WR that isn't a total bust should be able to step in and produce right away. 2
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 6 Posted February 6 I think there is too much time and worry put into this. I am a BILLS fan. If Diggs is here I'll root for him. If not, I'll root for whoever replaces him. Players come and go, the BILLS remain. 1
Warcodered Posted February 6 Posted February 6 10 minutes ago, FireChans said: You didn't post a single thing of substance A thing that could be said of this thread in general. 2 1
FireChans Posted February 6 Posted February 6 7 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I don't think he said anything "controversial" here. He simply didn't say exactly what you wanted to hear. It was a perfectly standard statement that I've heard players say many times before. And in not saying exactly what you wanted to hear, you're reading between the lines. If you re-read the post that you're both using as a "gotcha", I never said that was what he was doing in this case specifically. On the contrary, I ended it by saying he's done things in the past worth discussing. But that this is nothing. Something I've alluded to this entire time. Do I know the Diggs camp intimately? No, I don't. But we're entering Year 5 of Diggs on this team. We've seen him play with the media and say and do things way more, enigmatically, if you will. And the result is the same. He's either flat out re-signed with the team and professed his desire to be here forever or suited up every game that year. I could play the same game with you. Do you know the Diggs camp intimately? Because this is the most yawn worthy of "news" attributed to him in the Offseason. Why are you so sure it means more than what he very clearly said? Why is this so different? So I guess I'm misunderstanding. You don't think these comments out of Diggs are intentionally controversial, because you don't think they are controversial at all? I guess the media disagrees because they all keep writing about it. I don't know the Diggs camp intimately. Like you said, he has history but you're misremembering. Diggs did NOT make enigmatic comments between 2020 and 2022. There's nothing there. Something changed in 2022. And there's his entire enigmatic press clippings prior to 2020 from his former team, where he eventually ended up traded, which he later admitted he wanted. "The circumstances of Diggs' departure from the Vikings have been covered before. He wasn't happy with an increasingly run-focused offense. Relationships became frayed. Eventually, his actions (missing practice) and words (social media musings) gave way to the trade." https://www.startribune.com/stefon-diggs-cover-story-sheds-light-on-vikings-departure/600002569/ So what we have here is a WR with a history of toeing the line of less than perfect behavior on social media and media in general to get moved from a place where he's unhappy. Which is why ALL of the stuff over the last two years has BEEN a story. I don't know if Diggs wants out or not. I do know he has ran a similar playbook to get out of Minnesota. I do know this song and dance with the media has gotten extremely old. That's my take.
Alphadawg7 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 30 minutes ago, FireChans said: You didn't post a single thing of substance to refute any of it lol. Talk about "wreaking" of desperation. I'm pretty confident Diggs will be gone in 25. Maybe earlier. Feel free to bookmark this post. BTW, McD absolutely did want to run the football more, which Brady did, and why he got hired. Score one more for the good guys. LMAO at this cop out...So NOW you are saying 2025 a whole other season from now when Diggs contract is actually movable. LMAO...ground breaking work. And EVERYONE and their MOM wanted us to actually RUN the ball more because we didn't have a run game and put too much on Josh. So don't hide your ridiculous post in your thread that McD wanted to run a "pound the rock" offense to the tune of "3 ypc" behind the obvious fact that we NEEDED to run the ball more than we did under either Daboll or Dorsey. 2 more L's for you here. Keep em coming though 1
FireChans Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: LMAO at this cop out...So NOW you are saying 2025 a whole other season from now when Diggs contract is actually movable. LMAO...ground breaking work. And EVERYONE and their MOM wanted us to actually RUN the ball more because we didn't have a run game and put too much on Josh. So don't hide your ridiculous post in your thread that McD wanted to run a "pound the rock" offense to the tune of "3 ypc" behind the obvious fact that we NEEDED to run the ball more than we did under either Daboll or Dorsey. 2 more L's for you here. Keep em coming though Cop out? I never said I thought Diggs was gonna be gone this season. I said it was possible as a post 6/1 move, because it is. Are you even reading my posts? If you wanna talk L's, are you still mad about CJ Spiller not reaching his magical 2k season? Or wanting Daboll gone?
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 20 minutes ago, FireChans said: So I guess I'm misunderstanding. You don't think these comments out of Diggs are intentionally controversial, because you don't think they are controversial at all? I guess the media disagrees because they all keep writing about it. I don't know the Diggs camp intimately. Like you said, he has history but you're misremembering. Diggs did NOT make enigmatic comments between 2020 and 2022. There's nothing there. Something changed in 2022. And there's his entire enigmatic press clippings prior to 2020 from his former team, where he eventually ended up traded, which he later admitted he wanted. "The circumstances of Diggs' departure from the Vikings have been covered before. He wasn't happy with an increasingly run-focused offense. Relationships became frayed. Eventually, his actions (missing practice) and words (social media musings) gave way to the trade." https://www.startribune.com/stefon-diggs-cover-story-sheds-light-on-vikings-departure/600002569/ So what we have here is a WR with a history of toeing the line of less than perfect behavior on social media and media in general to get moved from a place where he's unhappy. Which is why ALL of the stuff over the last two years has BEEN a story. I don't know if Diggs wants out or not. I do know he has ran a similar playbook to get out of Minnesota. I do know this song and dance with the media has gotten extremely old. That's my take. As I've said, the media reporting on things doesn't mean the content is worth reporting on. Especially this time of the year. Things that wouldn't even get typed up midseason will get the front page. Digging through Diggs' tweets and playing keyboard sleuth can get clicks and views. They know it. Diggs knows it. And in offseasons past, Diggs has used the media to keep his name on people's lips. Typing tweets that could be read one way to create "news" that isn't there. But this is just an honest question with an honest answer. You can choose to take it for what it is. Or you can put on a tinfoil hat and say "I think what he's really saying is this" or "in not saying this, he's really saying this". And to all of this, I'll just quote the man himself: Quote "But here we are again revisiting the topic about how I feel. I play with confidence, I go home with confidence. I prepare each and every week. I've always been a professional. I've never really said anything about being unhappy. So when you draw conclusions as to stuff I've never said, that's what kind of troubles me because it kind of throws a wrench in it. It creates chaos where I haven't created chaos. I've said the same words over and over and over. But when you draw conclusions in how I feel in my foreseeable future here. I've never said anything but I'm a Buffalo Bill. I give it everything I got. I'm a professional and I treat this game as such." Edited February 6 by BillsFanForever19 1
FireChans Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: As I've said, the media reporting on things doesn't mean the content is worth reporting on. Especially this time of the year. Things that wouldn't even get typed up midseason will get the front page. Digging through Diggs' tweets and playing keyboard sleuth can get clicks and views. They know it. Diggs knows it. And in offseasons past, Diggs has used the media to keep his name on people's lips. Typing tweets that could be read one way to create "news" that isn't there. But this is just an honest question with an honest answer. You can choose to take it for what it is. Or you can put on a tinfoil hat and say "I think what he's really saying is this" or "in not saying this, he's really saying this". And to all of this, I'll just quote the man himself: I'm really confused. That Diggs quote you have "So when you draw conclusions as to stuff I've never said, that's what kind of troubles me because it kind of throws a wrench in it. It creates chaos where I haven't created chaos." But you say he does do that on purpose? Edited February 6 by FireChans
Warcodered Posted February 6 Posted February 6 28 minutes ago, FireChans said: I'm really confused. That Diggs quote you have "So when you draw conclusions as to stuff I've never said, that's what kind of troubles me because it kind of throws a wrench in it. It creates chaos where I haven't created chaos." But you say he does do that on purpose? I don't know why you're confused by that quote it's from the interview he did that the apparent "cryptic" comments came from. It's amazing that people just ignore that he said the media was just going to do whatever the hell they want and the only thing that actually matter is his actual relationships with the people that matters aka the team and Josh. But oh no he essentially acknowledges the tough cap and roster situation the team is in and his lack of control of that situation and it's all Diggs is a problem Diggs wants out. He hasn't done *****. He was a great teammate all season, did his performance fall off sure, don't know the reason. 3
Alphadawg7 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 49 minutes ago, FireChans said: Cop out? I never said I thought Diggs was gonna be gone this season. I said it was possible as a post 6/1 move, because it is. Are you even reading my posts? If you wanna talk L's, are you still mad about CJ Spiller not reaching his magical 2k season? Or wanting Daboll gone? Clearly, you are totally missing the point of what people are pushing back on in this thread. Its not whether or not its POSSIBLE Diggs COULD be traded. Its this LAMP post by @Einsteinwho cherry picked a couple lines to manufacture FALSE CONTROVERSY with Diggs. There is NO controversy or Diggs drama. Also, 6/1 would be 2024, you just said 2025...you can't even stay on the same year. But again, its not even about whether or not he can or can't be traded, its the nonsense of manufacturing false narratives and drama around him when there is none at this time. If you want or @Einsteinwants to start a thread about whether Diggs COULD be traded or not...fair game. To cherry pick a few lines to create FALSE DRAMA AND NARRATIVE is not only stupid but only brings the board down because many posters are gonna now think there is some drama that does NOT currently exist. They then persist to regurgitate this false info all off season in every other thread. And LMAO...Over 20 years Ive been on this board and the only L you can ever go back to is when I thought after like an 1800 yard season Spiller could be an RB1. I will take that track record 100 times over Daboll? Yes, VERY glad he is gone. I would take Daboll over Dorsey, but I am glad both are gone. How is he doing in NY? You know that team where reportedly the other coaches on his staff are looking for other jobs across the NFL to get off Daboll's sinking ship lol. Edited February 6 by Alphadawg7 1
FireChans Posted February 6 Posted February 6 48 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Clearly, you are totally missing the point of what people are pushing back on in this thread. Its not whether or not its POSSIBLE Diggs COULD be traded. Its this LAMP post by @Einsteinwho cherry picked a couple lines to manufacture FALSE CONTROVERSY with Diggs. There is NO controversy or Diggs drama. Also, 6/1 would be 2024, you just said 2025...you can't even stay on the same year. But again, its not even about whether or not he can or can't be traded, its the nonsense of manufacturing false narratives and drama around him when there is none at this time. If you want or @Einsteinwants to start a thread about whether Diggs COULD be traded or not...fair game. To cherry pick a few lines to create FALSE DRAMA AND NARRATIVE is not only stupid but only brings the board down because many posters are gonna now think there is some drama that does NOT currently exist. They then persist to regurgitate this false info all off season in every other thread. And LMAO...Over 20 years Ive been on this board and the only L you can ever go back to is when I thought after like an 1800 yard season Spiller could be an RB1. I will take that track record 100 times over Daboll? Yes, VERY glad he is gone. I would take Daboll over Dorsey, but I am glad both are gone. How is he doing in NY? You know that team where reportedly the other coaches on his staff are looking for other jobs across the NFL to get off Daboll's sinking ship lol. You didn’t read any of my posts. I said, in this thread, I think Diggs will be gone in 2025. I said, in this thread, that Diggs is technically movable post 6/1 in 2024. Feel to just respond to Einstein lol. Leave me out of this psychosis 53 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I don't know why you're confused by that quote it's from the interview he did that the apparent "cryptic" comments came from. It's amazing that people just ignore that he said the media was just going to do whatever the hell they want and the only thing that actually matter is his actual relationships with the people that matters aka the team and Josh. But oh no he essentially acknowledges the tough cap and roster situation the team is in and his lack of control of that situation and it's all Diggs is a problem Diggs wants out. He hasn't done *****. He was a great teammate all season, did his performance fall off sure, don't know the reason. The person I’m responding to is arguing that Diggs creates media controversies on purpose. 1
pennstate10 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 5 hours ago, Einstein said: Ask Josh Allen that same question and no version of “I don’t know” or money stuff comes out of his mouth. Zero. Zip. Nada It would simply be “Absolutely and I can’t wait”, or some version of that. And no it wasn’t a standard, nothing, Belichick type answer. Do you know what Belichick said just 3 days before he was fired? He said he plans to be the coach the next year. Because THAT is the type of answer you’re supposed to give. To be clear, there is absolutely zero chance that Josh is traded or released this offseason. Zero. Zip. Nada. is it possible that Diggs gets released or traded? Maybe. Or at least that’s what the internet says. So these aren’t equal situations. 1
Einstein Posted February 6 Author Posted February 6 (edited) 47 minutes ago, FireChans said: You didn’t read any of my posts. I said, in this thread, I think Diggs will be gone in 2025. Feel to just respond to Einstein lol. Leave me out of this psychosis Psychosis is right lol. He has been spamming this thread and tagging me and quoting me and reacting me for literally the past 5 hours. And here’s the thing - I haven’t responded to a single one of his rants. So he’s just been talking to himself for hours 🤷🏻♂️. Edited February 6 by Einstein
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 2 hours ago, FireChans said: Do you disagree that Diggs didn't "use the media to keep his name on people's lips" from 2020 to 2022? 2 hours ago, FireChans said: I'm really confused. That Diggs quote you have "So when you draw conclusions as to stuff I've never said, that's what kind of troubles me because it kind of throws a wrench in it. It creates chaos where I haven't created chaos." But you say he does do that on purpose? Read between the lines. He's saying "unless you hear me specifically say something - don't put words in my mouth". As people are doing now in this thread of that Pro Bowl interview. I do believe at times *in the past*, he has said and done some things that he knows the media will cover. Namely, when he was angling for a new contract. Tweets and stuff that can be read a million different ways. But never anything that a normal level headed person could say he was truly in the wrong or being controversial. Just little things to get people talking about him. He probably laughs at all the attention it gets and enjoys his name staying out there. And again, just because the media talks about it in the Offseason, when they're absolutely starved and ravenous to report on anything, doesn't mean it's important news. He's never said he's unhappy. He's never said there was a problem, outside of OTA's last season (which WAS something worth discussing at the time), and then he said they fixed it. He's not saying anything here worth discussing. His lack of saying exactly what you think he should say and implying it means more than it does is putting words in his mouth. Even more so than the embarrassing offseason media. In the past, he has played with the media. But this is not that and this is not something that deserved a thread and everyone getting up in arms about. 1 hour ago, FireChans said: The person I’m responding to is arguing that Diggs creates media controversies on purpose. Again, you're putting words in my mouth. I never said he purposely creates "controversies" or problems. Just that at times, like when he wanted a new contract - I think he says things that he knows will get coverage. But it's the media and tinfoil hat fans that then twist it into something else. That's who causes the problems. As he himself has said, "i'm not responsible for how other people feel". He's never said anything that the media and fans should quote him as saying he's unhappy or wants out. Everyone just twists his words. When there's truly a problem, as you posted from when he's in Minnesota, he'll say something or do something. Then it's fair to worry. But this doesn't fall under that umbrella or even of the umbrella of him toying with the media. Edited February 6 by BillsFanForever19
Mango Posted February 6 Posted February 6 3 hours ago, Warcodered said: I don't know why you're confused by that quote it's from the interview he did that the apparent "cryptic" comments came from. It's amazing that people just ignore that he said the media was just going to do whatever the hell they want and the only thing that actually matter is his actual relationships with the people that matters aka the team and Josh. But oh no he essentially acknowledges the tough cap and roster situation the team is in and his lack of control of that situation and it's all Diggs is a problem Diggs wants out. He hasn't done *****. He was a great teammate all season, did his performance fall off sure, don't know the reason. I’ve been critical of Diggs antics the last season or two. But honestly, since camp broke he’s been great all season. I was super happy. This Pro Bowl thing is a total nothing-burger. And I like to read too much sometimes and make something-burgers out those things. That said, maybe he is unhappy here and wants out? Maybe he loves it here and the franchise is over him. Maybe everything is totally cool and he retires a Bill. But the one thing I am certain on is that if either party feels like they have to get out the difference between -$48M and -$51M in cap space won’t hold it back if it gets to that point.
davefan66 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 I just can’t see the bills letting go of WR1 when they need to acquire a WR2, WR4 and possibly WR5. All they currently have is Diggs, Shakir and possibly Shorter who is unproven to this point. Is Harty more than a returner? Plus we would need at least one more guy. Diggs cap hit is in the top 10 of NFL wr’s. Thing is, get rid of him and then pay another guy to be WR1? Gonna cost you more. If we were doing a full rebuild, cut or trade him. We are in the window with Josh and he is not going anywhere. Cap dead money too prohibitive.
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