WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 6 Posted February 6 16 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Then we might as well say failing to even to attempt to upgrade the WR2 spot was "cause for termination level stupid." Failing to sign Hopkins, etc. If the team can get a good trade package back and they are sick of Diggs' antics I wouldn't blame Beane if he decided to move on. But like I said I would personally prefer to keep him and hope he can get back to the player he was before 2023. That depends. Are you talking about the Diggs from before 2023? Then no, almost certainly not. The Diggs we saw down the stretch? That isn't an unrealistic expectation for a 1st round rookie. Shakir out produced Diggs over the last 10 games... In fact Shakir's yards per target more than doubled Diggs'. If Shakir can do that, why not a much better prospect? We just have to hope it was an injury. But that's all it is, a hope. Diggs participated in the Pro Bowl and there's been no reports that he got any kind of surgery or medical treatment after the season ended. His lasting impression of the season was a dropped catch in a critical moment that had nothing to do with any perceived injury. So for me I'm already assuming we need a new #1 WR next year. I genuinely advocate for assuming the worst case scenario in these discussions, make roster decisions accordingly, and then if you get the best case scenario you're that much better off. The reason I want to keep Diggs is that I know he can be a good #2 even if it's just the player we got down the stretch. Still I would understand the decision to move on if it makes sense. No. You can argue about what free agents are worth money or who could have been had for what. That's a debate. Punching yourself in the taint by cutting a player who has had over a thousand yards the last four years straight for negative cap space is only in the head of shock jocks desperate for hot takes and delusional recense bias fans. And would it shock you that 7 receivers in the history of the NFL had more yards their rookie season than Diggs had last year? I get it. We are frustrated. We should be looking to draft a replacement and this draft looks like a great time to do it. But barring Mike Evans holding out for June 1st or a team is willing to throw multiple first rounders I 100% expect Diggs to be on the roster at the start of the league year. And you all better be ready for the very realistic possibility that he gets extended rather than cut.
BillMafia716ix Posted February 6 Posted February 6 He obviously doesn’t want to be here but he knows its going to be tough for us to move off him. How hard is it for him to say “I want to be a Bill and I’m happy where am I am.” It would dead all of the foolishness but of course he doesn't. He showed who he really was when he skipped the first day of mandatory camp in the spring. 2
FireChans Posted February 6 Posted February 6 29 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I can't help but lose respect for posters who start threads and post snippets of an interview to skew the narrative rather than POST THE WHOLE INTERVIEW which actually CLEARLY illustrates a different tone and narrative than what this thread is forcibly trying to create. Honestly your thread just feels like a total LAMP thread forcing a narrative that isn't there. Gotta be the worst thread of the offseason so far that is now putting FALSE impressions in other posters heads who are going to carry this FALSE sense of IMAGINARY controversy all off season and derail other threads over and over again. This tired argument would hold more weight if Diggs wasn’t effusive with his praise before. The guy went from “I want to retire a Bill,” to “I don’t know what the future holds.” Guess what? He couldn’t control if he was gonna retire a Bill last year. He still said it. 1
Alphadawg7 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: This tired argument would hold more weight if Diggs wasn’t effusive with his praise before. The guy went from “I want to retire a Bill,” to “I don’t know what the future holds.” Guess what? He couldn’t control if he was gonna retire a Bill last year. He still said it. This is such a ridiculous response. Diggs essentially said its not in his control, which is true for ALL players. He has made it clear all season many times he isn't unhappy in Buffalo and literally said he never once said he wasn't happy here. Just again forcing narratives where there are none just like your ridiculous take in your other thread suggesting McD wants a pound the rock offense, which is just as ridiculous as this thread. 1 2
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 23 minutes ago, Einstein said: To be honest, no one would likely think twice if he just gave that answer (and that answer alone). But he didn’t. He said “I don’t know”, then talked about he can’t control money stuff, etc. He did it on purpose. The question is why. Could be as simple as he finds it fun to cause speculation. Or it could be that he is sending a message. And there are 8+ pages of posters who in large part agree with the way I interpreted his quote. Of course there are those who simply want attention and therefore will keep spamming the same message and tagging me and quoting me, but the truth is that the number of posters who agree with me that he is giving cryptic messages are currently outnumbering those who think his comments were innocent. Doesn't seem that way to me in the first few pages. And those that are, I'm sure if I go through their posts I'll find no biases, right? Of course the fans who dislike him and/or want him gone are agreeing with you. Like I've said, this statement in a vacuum is a giant nothing burger. Unless you've got an axe to grind and choose to make it bigger than it is to fit a narrative that argues he shouldn't be here. Or in your case, the narrative that this was worthy of a post and causing a controversy that really doesn't exist.
FireChans Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: This is such a ridiculous response. Diggs essentially said its not in his control, which is true for ALL players. He has made it clear all season many times he isn't unhappy in Buffalo and literally said he never once said he wasn't happy here. Just again forcing narratives where there are none just like your ridiculous take in your other thread suggesting McD wants a pound the rock offense, which is just as ridiculous as this thread. That's true. Here's what Diggs said about his future with the Bills in 2022. "I felt like my next spot was my last spot," Diggs said to the media after signing his extension. "I wanted it to be my home, and I didn't want to ever go anywhere. It was important to me especially in my first year and second year, you just kind of felt like you were building family." Here's what Diggs said about his future with the Bills in 2024. " I don't know, I feel like, as far as all of that with the money and all that type of stuff, I can't control none of that. I kind of put my hat on. It's a long offseason, and as far as what the future holds, I don't have any surprises for you right now." Do these comments seem different to you? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? BONUS INFO: Here's Diggs in Minnesota: "But things soured between Diggs and Minnesota in the two years following, despite the receiver enjoying career-high production. Diggs was fined in October for missing Vikings meetings and practices, which preceded and inspired trade rumors that subsided but never really went away." Wow, Diggs skipping meetings and missing practices? That seems......kind of familiar. Diggs negative comments in Minnesota circa 2019: "I can't sit up here and say everything is okay, it's obviously not. What I can say at this point is just try to work through it." Of course, Minnesota fans were twisting themselves into KNOTS that all was well with Diggs at that time. He's just a fiery guy! And then, of course, Diggs backtracked: #Vikings WR Stefon Diggs on his comments last week: "I never said I was unhappy or uncomfortable with my role. I said I wanted to win, that was what my frustrations were and that's where it kind of got misconstrued last week.'' Well, at least we know he later cleared the air and definitely wasn't traded in the offseason...... Here's the story of Diggs in TC this season: “Diggs’ frustration is with his role in the offense and his voice in play-calling, per a league source close to the Bills’ locker room,” Volin wrote. “He was visibly agitated at Allen during the 27-10 playoff loss to the Bengals, stormed out of the locker room almost immediately after the game, and didn’t attend any voluntary workouts this offseason.” Hmmmmm, kind of sounds familiar as well. 1
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 8 minutes ago, FireChans said: " I don't know, I feel like, as far as all of that with the money and all that type of stuff, I can't control none of that. I kind of put my hat on. It's a long offseason, and as far as what the future holds, I don't have any surprises for you right now." 8 minutes ago, FireChans said: "I can't sit up here and say everything is okay, it's obviously not. What I can say at this point is just try to work through it." If you can't see the difference between those two statements.... I don't even know what to say. So much of all of you who say this is a big deal is based on what he didn't say. You know what else he didn't say and has said before? "I can't sit up here and say everything is okay because it's obviously not" Tell me when he says that or anything you are alluding to happening that he hasn't said - than there will be cause for bother. Edited February 6 by BillsFanForever19
FireChans Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: If you can't see the difference between those two statements.... I don't even know what to say. I didn't draw that parallel. But since you asked, here are Diggs' frustrated comments after losing last year. "Want me to be okay with losing ? Nah," Diggs tweeted. "Want me to be okay with our level of play when it's not up to the standard ? Nah." In a third tweet, Diggs said, "It's easy to criticize my reaction more than the result." That does sound a lot like his frustrated quotes from Minnesota. 1
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 8 minutes ago, FireChans said: I didn't draw that parallel. But since you asked, here are Diggs' frustrated comments after losing last year. "Want me to be okay with losing ? Nah," Diggs tweeted. "Want me to be okay with our level of play when it's not up to the standard ? Nah." In a third tweet, Diggs said, "It's easy to criticize my reaction more than the result." That does sound a lot like his frustrated quotes from Minnesota. You didn't draw the parallel? You literally typed it out. Like what? Whatever you're implying, what happened after he got upset? He played for the Buffalo Bills. And the result will be the same this season. Even the media, who should be the ones making stories out of nothing, reported this for what it is. Him referring to whether or not Beane will keep him. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/stefon-diggs-cant-tell-what-future-holds-ill-be-ready-to-go-no-matter-what Quote If there is going to be a change of address, it will likely come early in the offseason. Diggs’ $18.5 million salary becomes fully guaranteed a few days into the new league year in March, so it shouldn’t be too long until Diggs knows just where he’ll be come the start of next season. He said "it's out of my hands" and it's out of his hands. Less than a month and his salary becomes fully guaranteed. Less than a month until this ridiculous conversation comes to an end. Edited February 6 by BillsFanForever19
Einstein Posted February 6 Author Posted February 6 (edited) 4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Like I've said, this statement in a vacuum is a giant nothing burger. Unless you've got an axe to grind If you mean it’s a nothing burger because he won’t cause any trouble - totally agree. But he certainly said wha the said on purpose. And he said it for a reason. Ignoring that is just silly imo. Speaking for myself, I have no axe to grind. I love Diggs. Got some Diggs paraphernalia to sell? I’ll buy it! I’m a big Diggs fan. But i’m not blinded by my love for him to not see the obvious. . Edited February 6 by Einstein 1
FireChans Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said: You didn't draw the parallel? You literally typed it out. Like what? Whatever you're implying, what happened after he got upset? He played for the Buffalo Bills. And the result will be the same this season. Even the media, who should be the ones making stories out of nothing, reported this for what it is. Him referring to whether or not Beane will keep him. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/stefon-diggs-cant-tell-what-future-holds-ill-be-ready-to-go-no-matter-what He said "it's out of my hands" and it's out of his hands. Less than a month and his salary becomes fully guaranteed. Less than a month until this ridiculous conversation comes to an end. I wasn't drawing a parallel between those two quotes. I was demonstrating what happened in Minnesota that Bills fans' have somehow memory-holed like Diggs didn't have his own media circus ending with his departure.
Nuncha Posted February 6 Posted February 6 5 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: ... and what exactly does that have to do with his comments being a big ole' nothing burger? It's the same every year. Diggs will say or do some cryptic stuff to keep his name on people's lips during the Offseason and literally everyone falls for it. Sorry to break it to you, but he's not going anywhere until 2025 at the earliest. He knows it and the Bills know it. Sorry to break it to you, but I never said he was going anywhere. lol
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Einstein said: If you mean it’s a nothing burger because he won’t cause any trouble - totally agree. But he certainly said wha the said on purpose. And he said it for a reason. Ignoring that is just ignorant. Speaking for myself, I have no axe to grind. I love Diggs. Got some Diggs paraphernalia to sell? I’ll buy it! I’m a big Diggs fan. But i’m not blinded by my love for him to not see the obvious. If you're a big Diggs fan - you'd know the truth when it comes to him. He likes to be an enigma. He likes to play with the media. He knows what to say to make them run headlines and keep his name and his brand relevant during the Offseason. Last offseason, when he left OTA's - there was a reason to talk about him. Now? This? An honest answer about an honest situation that's beyond his control, that only the "ignorant" talk about. Edited February 6 by BillsFanForever19
FireChans Posted February 6 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: If you're a big Diggs fan - you'd know the truth when it comes to him. He likes to be an enigma. He likes to play with the media. He knows what to say to make them run headlines and keep his name and his brand relevant during the Offseason. Last offseason, when he left OTA's - there was a reason to talk about him. Now? This? An honest answer about an honest situation that's beyond his control, with a little bit of added mystery to get the "ignorant" talking. So then, after all of that, you admit that Diggs is being cryptic and getting headlines, so it is worth a story? That's very funny. 1
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 9 minutes ago, FireChans said: So then, after all of that, you admit that Diggs is being cryptic and getting headlines, so it is worth a story? That's very funny. Getting the media to talk about you and it being worth a story or being talked about here are two different things entirely. This time of the year, the media will talk about anything. Like I've said, this is nothing. It's not worth talking about. And now it's going to be referenced by anti-Diggs people all year as proof positive he doesn't want to be here. Edited February 6 by BillsFanForever19 2
Einstein Posted February 6 Author Posted February 6 19 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: He likes to be an enigma. He likes to play with the media. He knows what to say to make them run headlines and keep his name and his brand relevant during the Offseason. So… you agree with us. What a waste of time this conversation was 😂 1 1
Warcodered Posted February 6 Posted February 6 42 minutes ago, FireChans said: I didn't draw that parallel. But since you asked, here are Diggs' frustrated comments after losing last year. "Want me to be okay with losing ? Nah," Diggs tweeted. "Want me to be okay with our level of play when it's not up to the standard ? Nah." In a third tweet, Diggs said, "It's easy to criticize my reaction more than the result." That does sound a lot like his frustrated quotes from Minnesota. Really who exactly was happy with how we played in that game?
FireChans Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Einstein said: So… you agree with us. What a waste of time this conversation was 😂 It so quickly goes from "Diggs didn't say anything bad, why is the media talking about this" to "Diggs said bad things on purpose to get the media talking about this." My head is spinning. 4 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Really who exactly was happy with how we played in that game? Nobody, but that's not the point? Edited February 6 by FireChans 1 1
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Einstein said: So… you agree with us. What a waste of time this conversation was 😂 Absolutely not. Both things can be true. He likes to play with the media (which I did say in a previous post on here) and that what he said in this interview means absolutely nothing. They are not mutually exclusive. I do not agree with you that it's worth talking about. 11 minutes ago, FireChans said: It so quickly goes from "Diggs didn't say anything bad, why is the media talking about this" to "Diggs said bad things on purpose to get the media talking about this." My head is spinning. It's only spinning if you only look at things in terms of black and white without seeing shades of grey. As I said, him liking to play with the media doesn't equate to him being unhappy or wanting out. So there's nothing to see here, as I've said this whole time. And you're definitely putting words in my mouth by having me say "he said bad things" here. Definitely not the case. Edited February 6 by BillsFanForever19
FireChans Posted February 6 Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Absolutely not. Both things can be true. He likes to play with the media (which I did say in a previous post on here) and that what he said in this interview means absolutely nothing. They are not mutually exclusive. I do not agree with you that it's worth talking about. It's only spinning if you only look at things in terms of black and white without seeing shades of grey. As I said, him liking to play with the media doesn't equate to him being unhappy or wanting out. And you're definitely putting words in my mouth by having me say "he said bad things" here. Definitely not the case. You're just assuming that he doesn't "mean" his controversial statements, right? That's your shade of gray. He's saying controversial things, things that will get media headlines, speculation, etc etc, he just doesn't mean them? That's fine to have that take. It's not fine to have that take, and also say "he's not saying anything controversial." So if you agree that he's saying controversial things on purpose, which it sounds like you do, you seem pretty confident he means nothing by it or that he's just "trolling." I'm not sure where you have gotten that level of confidence. Because on Diggs' last team, he said a lot of controversial things, and was eventually traded. Maybe you know Diggs or his camp intimately?
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