Bill from NYC Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Henry has always been one of my favorite players since his college days, but remember; even as far back as his college years he gets better with a larger number of carries. The man would literally beat up defenders, and I'm not at all sure that he is capable of a large number of carries any more. 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) I can't understand what the infatuation is with Ty Johnson. He's just a guy. 4.4 ypc. A whopping 132 rushing yards on the season...of which 54 came against the Cowboys in a game they refused to stop the run. Granted he's probably able to be resigned on the cheap. But he's mediocre. He does nothing to move the needle on offense. I look at it like this. If we were facing a team that had Ty Johnson starting or seeing significant snaps...are we nervous? No. Sign him cheap, let him compete for the RB 4 role? I'm down. Bringing him back as RB 2 would be a huge mistake. RB is a sneaky need for this team in FA and the draft. SPOTRAC has Henry's market value at $4.3M. If he could be had at that price I'm kicking the tires. 2 other guys I'm looking at are A.J. Dillion and Zach Moss...both with market values in the same neighborhood. Clyde Edwards-Helaire could also be a sneaky option. His market value is listed at a mere $1.6M. Joe Brady was on the LSU staff with him. And Brandon Beane has a history of grabbing players that perform well against the Bills. CEH dominated the Bills for 161 yards in the COVID year game in Orchard Park as well as having 2 key runs in the playoffs this year. I think he may be the Damien Harris replacement. Edited February 4 by BuffaloBillyG 2 Quote
Dr. Who Posted February 4 Posted February 4 16 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I can't understand what the infatuation is with Ty Johnson. He's just a guy. 4.4 ypc. A shopping 132 rushing yards on the season...of which 54 came against the Cowboys in a game they refused to stop the run. Granted he's probably able to be resigned on the cheap. But he's mediocre. He does nothing to move the needle on offense. I look at it like this. If we were facing a team that had Ty Johnson starting or seeing significant snaps...are we nervous? No. Sign him cheap, let him compete for the RB 4 role? I'm down. Bringing him back as RB 2 would be a huge mistake. RB is a sneaky need for this team in FA and the draft. SPOTRAC has Henry's market value at $4.3M. If he could be had at that price I'm kicking the tires. 2 other guys I'm looking at are A.J. Dillion and Zach Moss...both with market values in the same neighborhood. Clyde Edwards-Helaire could also be a sneaky option. His market value is listed at a mere $1.6M. Joe Brady was on the LSU staff with him. And Brandon Beane has a history of grabbing players that perform well against the Bills. CEH dominated the Bills for 161 yards in the COVID year game in Orchard Park as well as having 2 key runs in the playoffs this year. I think he may be the Damien Harris replacement. I'd like to get a rb with size in the draft. Braelon Allen is the fella I really like, but he probably goes between our 2nd and 3rd pick. Isaiah Davis later is someone I would look at. Quote
The Red King Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) I would love to have him on the team, I really would. But the league has a salery cap and the Bills' have many other positions in worse shape then RB. Edited February 4 by The Red King 2 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 4 Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Dr. Who said: I'd like to get a rb with size in the draft. Braelon Allen is the fella I really like, but he probably goes between our 2nd and 3rd pick. Isaiah Davis later is someone I would look at. I don't watch a lot of college ball so I am not familiar with either name. I usually wait until around this time of year to start looking at guys. Watch the combine and any televised pro days. I find for myself not watching college allows me to see prospects with a bit more neutral eye rather than base my opinion off what they did at that level. But I'll definitely be marking those names down as ones to check out. Thanks for the suggestions. 1 Quote
T master Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Murray would probably cost less & do just about as good . 2 Quote
FireChans Posted February 4 Author Posted February 4 4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: We're talking about the guy like he's toast and begging for a job. I'll say it again, regardless of everything that's said, he was still #2 in the league in Rushing last season. He's not completely fallen off like an Ezekiel Elliott or Dalvin Cook. Teams were willing to give up Draft Picks just to rent him for the Playoffs. And there's a difference between an affordable RB and affordable for Derrick Henry. We're in the 1-2 million range for the role we're looking for given who we already have there, our cap, and all of the bodies (including starters) we need to replace elsewhere. Instead of the 10.5m he's been on, he'll be more in the 5.5-6.5 range. A really good deal would be like 4.5m. Simply not going to do that for a change of pace back, especially in the shape we're in. And someone will offer him a role more than just change of pace. Aren’t Saquon, Josh Jacobs, and Austin Ekeler all expected to be available as FA’s? Quote
hondo in seattle Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) I'd love to have Derrick Henry. In his prime. On a rookie contract. What I truly want is a young Cookie Gilchrist. Someone who will pound the rock up the middle for 243 yards and force opposing DCs to defend the run. Someone with a mean attitude who will throw a would-be tackler to the ground so violently that he has to be carted off the field. And then after the play, go to the enemy sideline and yell out a challenge, "Who's f**king next?" That'll fire up the offense. Today's second-level defensive players are better at coverage than tackling. They're faster than they are strong. Lookie, Lookie, Here Comes Cookie would be like a locomotive smashing through a matchstick barrier. Trying to load the box to stop him would give Josh a field day. Are there any Cookies in the draft? Edited February 4 by hondo in seattle Quote
DBilz2500 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 You can find serviceable RBs anywhere at just about any given time. Last thing I’m worried about at the moment. Let’s focus on WRs, safeties, and DL. 2 Quote
Chaos Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) The Bills have been trying to build a defense to stop the chiefs in the playoffs. I think it is clear no matter how many resources committed to defense, the Bills do not have the abilty to do this. I think they need to focus on how to score 35+ against the chiefs in the playoffs. I do not know if Henry helps with that or not. If he does help to accomplish that. Go get him. If not, pass Edited February 4 by Chaos 1 Quote
FireChans Posted February 4 Author Posted February 4 3 minutes ago, Chaos said: The Bills have been trying to build a defense to stop the chiefs in the playoffs. I think it is clear no matter how many resources committed to defense, do the Bills have the abilty to do this. I think they need to focus on how to score 35+ against the chiefs in the playoffs. I do not know if Henry helps with that or not. If he does help to accomplish that. Go get him. If not, pass Henry + Allen in redzone situations is as close to an unstoppable combo as it gets in the NFL, imo. 1 Quote
Mister Defense Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) Nope, too old, and Bean hopefully learned his lesson with Miller, his worst move as a GM. An awful splash play that violated "the process" approach that had worked so well. While Henry has some good, great games left in him probably, he is likely no longer a consistent high level back. Get him for cheap, then sure, worth it, but likely going to be payed more by some team. But I do think, hope, the Bills get a young, physical and all around back, which will make Cook even more valuable and likely greatly extend his playing career. Early rounds of draft, or, even better, a great steal in free agency. But I think teams are learning how valuable a great running game is (again) in the NFL and a steal is less likely this year. Edited February 4 by Mister Defense Quote
folz Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Pros: He still had 1,395 yards from scrimmage this year, with a 4.2/rush average, and 12 TDs. He has been an absolute beast over the last 6 years, averaging almost 1,576 yards from scrimmage and 14 TDs per season. He's been durable. Other than missing the back half of the 2021 season with a broken foot, he has only missed 3 games over the other seven years of his career. Cons: He's 30 years old. He has 2,030 rushes over his career. He has averaged 306 carries/year over the last 5 years. That's a lot of mileage on those tires. He may still cost a pretty penny. Quote
Jimmy Harris 69 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 The idea of having King Henry in your backfield is great, the financial reality is not. We don’t need a running back version of Von Miller. He will patch together some terrific games but he will disappear. Cook should be on the field more, not less. Unfortunately Coach feels the need to punish the team by taking Cook off the field for making mistakes. I agree with other posts about Ty Johnson if we can afford him, bring him back. Overall we must get younger and faster on offense. There is no room for one dimensional guys like Tyler Matakevich or Latavious Murray taking up roster spots. Keep that rookie “speed merchant” on your active roster as another weapon for your all pro QB. All the resources McD poured into his poor special teams could have made his offense what—-10 or 15% better. That wins games instead of losing them to Guy Smiley. Not that I care. I don’t even like the Bills. Stupid divisional round bumblers. Quote
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted February 4 Posted February 4 This basic idea works when you think about Terrell Davis finally putting Elway over the top, but Davis was 5x the back that Henry is at this stage of his career. I don’t think Henry is ready to consider himself a complimentary back with a commensurate salary quite yet, so I’m pretty sure he would be expensive anyway Quote
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted February 4 Posted February 4 (edited) there may be a way… Edited February 4 by ControllerOfPlanetX Quote
SectionC3 Posted February 4 Posted February 4 19 hours ago, starrymessenger said: Nope. Sign Ty Johnson. I'm good with Johnson for another year. Tough. Runs the sweep well. Reliable with the ball. Catches relatively well. We can do worse at RB2 given the resources we have and holes we need to fill. 1 Quote
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