Will Derrick Henry be a Bill in 2024?

[Governor]

He would be absolutely worthless on our team.

[JerseyBills]

on a 1 year deal, I'd love it, at his age who knows his market, Cook/Henry/Hines would be incredible 

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

on a 1 year deal, I'd love it, at his age who knows his market, Cook/Henry/Hines would be incredible 

I don’t wanna lose Ty Johnson

50 minutes ago, Governor said:

He would be absolutely worthless on our team.

I agree with this he’s going to end up costing too much, and we will not be able to give him the carries that he needs in order to be effective

[BullBuchanan]

No thanks. He's done.

[BillsFanForever19]

7 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

No thanks. He's done.

 

I mean, he was still 2nd in the entire league in Rushing and had 1381 yards from scrimmage last season. It wasn't his 2020 or 2022 outings, but he's far from toast.

 

Either way, he's out of the price range for the role he'd have on our team given our cap situation and the amount of starting positions and important depth players we have to replace.

[BullBuchanan]

14 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I mean, he was still 2nd in the entire league in Rushing and had 1381 yards from scrimmage last season. It wasn't his 2020 or 2022 outings, but he's far from toast.

 

Either way, he's out of the price range for the role he'd have on our team given our cap situation and the amount of starting positions and important depth players we have to replace.

I don't know. Despite high aggregate stats, he was pretty inefficient.

He had 326 combined touches - good for 4.2 yards per touch including 4.2 ypc (prior to the last game of the year he was at 3.9). He had 7 games where he failed to break 50 yards, including 3 where he didn't get 30. Dude had a game where he got 9 yards on 16 carries.  He was a complete non-factor for large portions of the season and propped up his pedestrian averages on the back of a couple big games. I watched him routinely get stuffed on critical short downs, which is the whole reason you go and get a guy like that. Towards the end of the year, they put him on the bench in those spots and went pass.

In his defense, Cook actually had many of the same poor showings, but he's also a first year starter, not a 28 year old former MVP level back with an injury history. Cook did manage to average 5.5 yards per touch compared to Henry's 3.5, but also had 7 games under 50, 3 under 30 and had a game where he went 5 carries for -5 yards.

He's nowhere near the threat he was 4 years ago and has trailed his career average in ypc for 3 straight years.

[nucci]

9 hours ago, FireChans said:

I’m slowly getting more and more convinced this is the kind of old good player that Beane will go after. Especially with Brady’s emphasis on the run and McD being a defensive guy. A pound the rock for 3 YPC guy just feels right.

 

So what do we think?

yes , a RB averaging 3 YPC is what every team needs

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I don’t wanna lose Ty Johnson

I agree with this he’s going to end up costing too much, and we will not be able to give him the carries that he needs in order to be effective

ya, I loved his game under Brady, but if we keep Hines, which looks like they will, we'll need a bruiser in that rotation 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

10 hours ago, FireChans said:

I’m slowly getting more and more convinced this is the kind of old good player that Beane will go after. Especially with Brady’s emphasis on the run and McD being a defensive guy. A pound the rock for 3 YPC guy just feels right.

 

So what do we think?

He's not old enough! 😂

[JerseyBills]

41 minutes ago, nucci said:

yes , a RB averaging 3 YPC is what every team needs

ya he lost snaps to Spears late in the year but still had monster games, which is why he could be affordable,  used in a limited role with Cook being the main guy, that'd be a tough change of style for defenses to adjust to

 

 

[Coldfronts]

It is possible if he comes for the vet minimum but I don't think that's happening

[BillsFanForever19]

20 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

ya he lost snaps to Spears late in the year but still had monster games, which is why he could be affordable,  used in a limited role with Cook being the main guy, that'd be a tough change of style for defenses to adjust to

 

We're talking about the guy like he's toast and begging for a job. I'll say it again, regardless of everything that's said, he was still #2 in the league in Rushing last season. He's not completely fallen off like an Ezekiel Elliott or Dalvin Cook. Teams were willing to give up Draft Picks just to rent him for the Playoffs.

 

And there's a difference between an affordable RB and affordable for Derrick Henry.

 

We're in the 1-2 million range for the role we're looking for given who we already have there, our cap, and all of the bodies (including starters) we need to replace elsewhere.

 

Instead of the 10.5m he's been on, he'll be more in the 5.5-6.5 range. A really good deal would be like 4.5m. Simply not going to do that for a change of pace back, especially in the shape we're in. And someone will offer him a role more than just change of pace.

Edited February 4 by BillsFanForever19

[Don Otreply]

10 hours ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:

I like your thinking but Beane is cheaper then me

And that’s sayin something…, 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

😂

[nucci]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

ya he lost snaps to Spears late in the year but still had monster games, which is why he could be affordable,  used in a limited role with Cook being the main guy, that'd be a tough change of style for defenses to adjust to

 

 

I'm not down on Henry. He's still good. My point was the poster saying 3 ypc is what we need

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

ya, I loved his game under Brady, but if we keep Hines, which looks like they will, we'll need a bruiser in that rotation 

Isn’t Josh our ‘bruiser’? 

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

We're talking about the guy like he's toast and begging for a job. I'll say it again, regardless of everything that's said, he was still #2 in the league in Rushing last season. He's not completely fallen off like an Ezekiel Elliott or Dalvin Cook. Teams were willing to give up Draft Picks just to rent him for the Playoffs.

 

And there's a difference between an affordable RB and affordable for Derrick Henry.

 

We're in the 1-2 million range for the role we're looking for given who we already have there, our cap, and all of the bodies (including starters) we need to replace elsewhere.

 

Instead of the 10.5m he's been on, he'll be more in the 5.5-6.5 range. A really good deal would be like 4.5m. Simply not going to do that for a change of pace back, especially in the shape we're in. And someone will offer him a role more than just change of pace.

to be fair, dalvin was still good with the Vikings. 

[LarryMadman]

13 hours ago, FireChans said:

I’m slowly getting more and more convinced this is the kind of old good player that Beane will go after. Especially with Brady’s emphasis on the run and McD being a defensive guy. A pound the rock for 3 YPC guy just feels right.

 

So what do we think?

Need a top WR more than a old RB.

[NoSaint]

The real issue here is two fold 

 

a) do you think Henry can be even a memory of his former self? And can he do that in a limited role? 650 very efficient yards for instance

 

b) ignore Ty Johnson, and instead of rb2 look at him as role player that stresses the defense. His pay won’t be WILDLY off Hines or harty for instance. Do you want to invest that utility/gadget money into a bruiser instead of a speedster? It would be a different approach to making a safety or nickel corner hate his assignments on the day potentially, if you think he still can play. 
 

personally I like speed here more than power but wouldn’t be mad to bring in a guy that stamps a bit of an identity on the unit in that role player position 

[Beast]

I’ll take Ty Johnson.

[Big Turk]

No