Should the Bills trade up for their own “Julio Jones”

[FireChans]

12 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

I get it. 35 catches and 7tds. Good red zone guy,  blocker and a need. Gabe, to me, is a little bit of an outlier. So you may not like my answer (you may idk) but I'm looking at guys like cook, yep he was behind Singletary, shakir to a good degree and Kincaid (yes I understand that Kincaid was somewhat historical) but how many times did we see cook benched for fumbling when other fumbled and still played?  How often did we see shinier make plays with the limited opportunity and wonder why he wasn't ever given more chances?  Kincaid was used what around week 5 or so and then would get plays at the beginning of a game and then we wouldn't see home the rest of the game. The dude could have been used way more and succeeded. I don't have all the answers. It's an eye thing. It's also a thing that many have talked about so I in ow I'm not alone when I just think that Buffalo is slow to get their rookie skill guys playing. I hope that clears up where I'm coming from be it correct on my part or not. Go Bills!....next year 

You’re forgetting a lot of players. Torrence started every game. Tre started every game as a rookie. Singletary started every game as a rookie. Rousseau played a ton as a rookie. Hell, even Cody Ford played a ton.
 

Really Kincaid kinda faded down the stretch so he probably did need to work his way in a bit. And Cook couldn’t pass pro at all last year, and still wasn’t great at it which limited his opportunities. Plus we fired the OC who was keeping Shakir on the bench. 
 

Idk, I think if the Bills draft a WR in the first, they will play a really heavy role, unless they are awful.

[DCofNC]

8 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

The 49ers have a good pair in Samel and Ayuik. Toss in CMC the most complete RB in the NFL.

They have a stellar all around team, a great D, OL, TE, etc.  that’s what a championship team looks like, and doing it with a 2nd year nobody from no where QB.  If they had Allen, my Gawd.

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

You’re forgetting a lot of players. Torrence started every game. Tre started every game as a rookie. Singletary started every game as a rookie. Rousseau played a ton as a rookie. Hell, even Cody Ford played a ton.
 

Really Kincaid kinda faded down the stretch so he probably did need to work his way in a bit. And Cook couldn’t pass pro at all last year, and still wasn’t great at it which limited his opportunities. Plus we fired the OC who was keeping Shakir on the bench. 
 

Idk, I think if the Bills draft a WR in the first, they will play a really heavy role, unless they are awful.

Cool makes sense that is true. I do like that shakir got his snaps this year. Hoping for great things in year 3. But yeah. The trenches and defensive players do get thrown out there as rookies.

I'd  love to see a WR or two get drafted and play heavy. That's for sure. 

[27yankees]

Trade down and beef up Safety and LB corps

[27yankees]

(PIPE DREAM) might as well have some fun before Pitchers and catchers hit Florida;

No trade down like this:  Traded This years 1st/2025 2nd  and Next Years 1st for bevy of 3's that could have impact

 

61. Ja' Lynn Polk  WR Washington                                                                       

66. D.J. James  CB Auburn

71. James Williams S Miami (FL)

73. Jaden Hicks S Washington State

90. Trevin Wallace LB Kentucky

92. Payton Wilson LB NC State

99. Blake Fisher OT Notre Dame

104. Anthony Belton OT NC State

128. Brenden Rice WR USC

158. Tyler Davis DT Clemson

161. Fabien Lovett DT Florida State

197. Andrew Raym OC Oklahoma

201. Erick All TE Iowa

205. Tarheeb Still CB Maryland

245. Dominique Hampton S Washington

[Aussie Joe]

4 hours ago, 27yanks said:

(PIPE DREAM) might as well have some fun before Pitchers and catchers hit Florida;

No trade down like this:  Traded This years 1st/2025 2nd  and Next Years 1st for bevy of 3's that could have impact

 

                                                           

Love a good bevy 

[Mr. WEO]

On 2/3/2024 at 6:08 PM, Augie said:

 

Now I’m just chuckling. Thanks. I’m leaving to see Kathleen Madigan in a few minutes, and you are like a Pre-warm up act. 

 

You can tear up ANYONE if you want to point out the players a GM passed over. Montana went in the third round, Brady in the 6th. That is the weakest approach I see on this board. 

 

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That's not what I'm doing (see below), hope you enjoyed that show.

 

On 2/3/2024 at 6:25 PM, JGMcD2 said:

Do you expect to find a WR1 on Day 3? 

It doesn’t mean he lacks the aptitude for evaluating them. Your statement looks stupid considering those “two guys in 7 years” have been pretty good relative to their draft position. 

 

 

When WR is chronically a position of need and it's not addressed in the draft...it's because the GM is very good at assessing the WR position?  He just can't tell when he needs one?

 

How does that make sense.

 

And 2 guys in 7 years isn't much of a track record--especially if the better one is likely gone and the other has 65 targets in 2 years.

 

 

 

[JGMcD2]

27 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

That's not what I'm doing (see below), hope you enjoyed that show.

 

 

When WR is chronically a position of need and it's not addressed in the draft...it's because the GM is very good at assessing the WR position?  He just can't tell when he needs one?

 

How does that make sense.

 

And 2 guys in 7 years isn't much of a track record--especially if the better one is likely gone and the other has 65 targets in 2 years.

 

 

 

You're moving the goalposts... color me surprised. Your original quote, in the context of the draft, was that "Beane has shown no aptitude for evaluating WR talent."

 

Now you're shifting to his ability to assess the WR position and when he needs one, which factors in all facets of roster constructions. 

[Andrew Son]

12 hours ago, DCofNC said:

They have a stellar all around team, a great D, OL, TE, etc.  that’s what a championship team looks like, and doing it with a 2nd year nobody from no where QB.  If they had Allen, my Gawd.

They are starting Jon Feliciano 

[DCofNC]

20 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

They are starting Jon Feliciano 

And he’s playing well

[Gregg]

On 2/3/2024 at 2:26 PM, boyst said:

If we trade up it'll be MHJ. He's the best prospect in 20 years. 

 

If the Bears, Commanders, Patriots all take QB's like many of the "experts" predict then MHJ is a lock to be taken by the Cardinals at #4. 

[Andrew Son]

10 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

And he’s playing well

I think that Oline is a weakness and is going to get dominated by Chris Jones and company, unfortunately.

 

They have one all timer in Trent Williams and even he's been nicked up.

[Mr. WEO]

47 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

You're moving the goalposts... color me surprised. Your original quote, in the context of the draft, was that "Beane has shown no aptitude for evaluating WR talent."

 

Now you're shifting to his ability to assess the WR position and when he needs one, which factors in all facets of roster constructions. 

 

Goal posts not moved. no obvious talent for evaluating a position of significant need, category WR.  If you can't diagnose the problem, you probably are not very good at solving the problem, logic dictates.

 

The roster needed and needs WRs...tell me, if they let Davis walk, how many Beane drafted WRs (all time) are still on the roster?

 

Beane has treated the WR draft as an afterthought, relying instead on an endless stream of FA WRs parading through for short stints in Buffalo on their way out of the league.  

[boyst]

35 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

If the Bears, Commanders, Patriots all take QB's like many of the "experts" predict then MHJ is a lock to be taken by the Cardinals at #4. 

they have so many needs it's hard to imagine what they will do but they'd be foolish to pass on him.

[Freddie's Dead]

You need a "depends on the cost" option.  I'm all for it, but any future #1s are off the table.  Not sure how far I can move up with 2s and 3s.

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

You need a "depends on the cost" option.  I'm all for it, but any future #1s are off the table.  Not sure how far I can move up with 2s and 3s.

the cost to move to 4 might be worth it.

[Orlando Buffalo]

8 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

You need a "depends on the cost" option.  I'm all for it, but any future #1s are off the table.  Not sure how far I can move up with 2s and 3s.

To piggy back on your thought- I see a bunch of prediction that Keon Coleman will be available in the 20's but gone before us, that guy I would swap firsts and give up a second rounder to get, he is a beast. If he ends up in Cincinnati or KC he is gonna be a thorn in our side in the future.

[Gregg]

8 minutes ago, boyst said:

the cost to move to 4 might be worth it.

 

What can the Bills offer. There 1st RD pick is #28. That is basically a very good 2nd round pick. Offering 2's and 3's won't get them to #4. They have to be careful with future 1"s as many have stated that this team has some holes to fill. Isn't this a deep draft as far as WR's go. I would love for the Bills to get MHJ but realistically the chances of that happening are zero.

Edited February 5 by Gregg

[Nihilarian]

On 2/3/2024 at 2:10 PM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

No way. This draft is super deep at WR. Remember when we moved up for Sammy Watkins in 2014? OBJ, Mike Evans, and Brandin Cooks were all on the board in the 1st. In the 2nd & 3rd Davante Adams, Jarvis Landry, and John Brown were all available as well. It would be insanely stupid to waste valuable draft capital in a WR class like this. Beane just needs to be smart and find the right ones. 

This was because we had a porn watcher as a GM...he was also an idiot. Watkins made most of his yards out of screenplays and Buffalo didn't run those at that time. If that wasn't enough...right after drafting Sammy the Bills stated that they were still looking for a big, tall red zone target at WR. Hello, Mike Evans at @ #7...

 

 LBer Kahlil Mack, OT Jake Matthews, and 13 others went on to make the Pro Bowl in the first round that year 2014. Doug Whaley wanted to bolster his personal pick at QB in EJ with Watkins... who never made the Pro Bowl.

[boyst]

8 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

What can the Bills offer. There 1st RD pick is #28. That is basically a very good 2nd round pick. Offering 2's and 3's won't get them to #4. They have to be careful with future 1"s as many have stated that this team has some holes to fill. Isn't this a deep draft as far as WR's go. I would love for the Bills to get MHJ but realistically the chances of that happening are zero.

bills 1st round, bills 3rd round, player + conditional 2025.

 

players: Tre White, OL rando, Knox, LB, CB.