Westside Posted February 2 Posted February 2 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: The illness isn’t the one year contracts; that’s the symptom. The root cause is swinging and missing at Epenesa and Rousseau. If those two guys were performing at anywhere their top draft potential we’d have a solid three stalwarts when coupled with Oliver, not the rotational grab bag we see now. It is very troubling to me. Rousseau, Elam, AJE, have definitely not panned out as of yet. Rousseau shows flashes but disappears way too often for someone of his caliber. Same with AJE, flashes but that’s it. Our drafting has to seriously improve or we will continue to be paper tigers when it comes to the playoffs. 3 Quote
Sundo91 Posted February 2 Posted February 2 The DL is a black mark on Beane's drafting grade. Aj and Groot are decent but ultimately should be considered fails considering where they were picked. Floyd was a nice surprise this year but isn't a difference maker. Jones was solid, but is older. We are stuck with Von. Our line is weak and needs major attention. Realistically, I'd like to retool it all and bring Jones and Floyd back as veteran leaders. 1 Quote
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted February 2 Posted February 2 23 minutes ago, Westside said: But I don’t see the chiefs tearing down there DL every year due to these one year contracts they love so much. No they just had I think 12 rookies either this year or last starting for them when Mahomes contract hit. 1 1 Quote
UConn James Posted February 2 Posted February 2 46 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Answer: poor drafting 40 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: The illness isn’t the one year contracts; that’s the symptom. The root cause is swinging and missing at Epenesa and Rousseau. If those two guys were performing at anywhere their top draft potential we’d have a solid three stalwarts when coupled with Oliver, not the rotational grab bag we see now. For me, I was pretty happy to lose Eric Washington to Chicago. A DL coach who has had THIS much draft capital thrown his way and to not teach and develop it worth a damn until Ed Oliver had a fire lit under his butt this season (which I put more on a self-starting thing) is downright criminal. They had to bring in Von because nobody was improving. 2 Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 2 Posted February 2 6 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: No they just had I think 12 rookies either this year or last starting for them when Mahomes contract hit. Since 2020 they have drafted - Gay, Sneed, Danna, Bolton, Mcduffie, Karlaftis, Chenal, and Anudike-uzomah. So 2 first round pass rushers in the last 2 years, 3 LBs, 2 corners. Their defense is nasty and unfortunately, quite young in a lot of places. 2 Quote
SectionC3 Posted February 2 Posted February 2 7 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Answer: poor drafting This is the year that missing on the Basham pick really, really hurts. Quote
Aussie Joe Posted February 2 Posted February 2 (edited) 7 hours ago, Westside said: It is very troubling to me. Rousseau, Elam, AJE, have definitely not panned out as of yet. Rousseau shows flashes but disappears way too often for someone of his caliber. Same with AJE, flashes but that’s it. Our drafting has to seriously improve or we will continue to be paper tigers when it comes to the playoffs. AJE’s time here had been mismanaged … They stuffed him around early getting him to drop weight which didn’t suit him … He was improved in 2022 and had his best time here the first half of 2023 … he then picked up that rib injury and disappeared… I would like to keep him … however having said that …if he is looking for more than $5m a year then I’m going to struggle to give him that… Rousseau had a disappointing year … I heard he played with a foot injury though… they need to make a decision on his 5th year option this off-season … Edited February 2 by Aussie Joe Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 2 Posted February 2 (edited) Bases on DQ's interactions on "X" I'd say he's more than open to coming back. Hopefully he's re-signed Oliver DQ _______ Draft Pick _______ UFA / Settle Ankou I'm not a big fan of Settle, but I guess keep him if cheap Edited February 2 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote
BillMafia716ix Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Think it’s one of there biggest needs outside of WR. Oliver is solid. But outside of him it’s a lot of question marks. -Von Miller is older. -Greg Rousseau is not that pass rusher they expected him to be. Good in run defense -AJ Epenesa has been up and down and his production tailed off towards the end of the season and he’s a free agent and is expecting a new contract. - Daquon Jones has been solid but has injury history and wants to a new deal - Leonard Floyd is older and wants a new deal. IMO they need to get younger and they need come out this draft with at least 2-3 D lineman. Quote
Aussie Joe Posted February 2 Posted February 2 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said: IMO they need to get younger and they need come out this draft with at least 2-3 D lineman. I agree with you … but Beane is really going to have to earn his pay this draft … we are up to 2 WR, DE, DT and S all being year 1 draft contributors … plus some want Beane to make a move up in the first as well… Might actually make some sense to trade down … Edited February 2 by Aussie Joe Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 2 Posted February 2 8 hours ago, Yantha said: I get that but you have to be careful what you wish for. Cobbling together a whole brand new unit might be amazing, or it could be a disaster. There's something to be said for continuity. What's the answer? I'm not sure.... I think it's a really tough call. I like Jones as my #1 target on that list. I'd be hesitant of Epenesa $$$, but hopefully he comes back without a stinker contract for the club. My "Walk" players are Leonard Floyd, Jordan Phillips, Shaq Lawson, Linval Joseph, and Von Miller (find him a new home). Maybe if we traded Miller and our #1 pick for a 6th or 7th rounder we could get someone to take him. So he's done as you said, which not arguing for or against, but then why would anyone else take him? Can't afford to cut either Diggs and Miller and nobody is trading for those contracts unless we really sweetened it.. Quote
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted February 3 Posted February 3 They will let them all walk and replace them with guys who are just as average or less….but when they sign them, we will be all excited. (see Tim Settle). Quote
Blank Stare Posted February 3 Posted February 3 I would prioritize Jones and one of Floyd or Epenesa. Shaq on a minimum deal. Everyone else can kick rocks. Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted February 3 Posted February 3 15 hours ago, GunnerBill said: There isn't a single "must keep" on that list for me. I'd be interested in Jones at the right price, Shaq is an easy re-sign to vet minimum, and if AJE fails to get what he wants in free agency and comes back to me I'd be interested in doing a deal. The rest can go. I wouldn't even waste a vet minimum roster spot on Shaq anymore. Watching him play in the playoffs was a joke. He's done. Let injury prone Phillips walk along with AJE and Ford. I could live with Settle one more year on a minimum. Signing Jones should be top priority. Draft some new guys. 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted February 3 Posted February 3 15 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: The illness isn’t the one year contracts; that’s the symptom. The root cause is swinging and missing at Epenesa and Rousseau. If those two guys were performing at anywhere their top draft potential we’d have a solid three stalwarts when coupled with Oliver, not the rotational grab bag we see now. AJ averages 3.5 sacks/ yr Greg averages 5.5 We're not keeping either of these busts. 2 Quote
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted February 3 Posted February 3 Leonard Floyd or Daquan needs to be resigned. Preferably Floyd who doesn’t seem to have slowed down despite his age, although he kind of disappeared in the post-season. I’ll be happy to retain either one. 15 hours ago, Sundo91 said: The DL is a black mark on Beane's drafting grade. Aj and Groot are decent but ultimately should be considered fails considering where they were picked. Floyd was a nice surprise this year but isn't a difference maker. Jones was solid, but is older. We are stuck with Von. Our line is weak and needs major attention. Realistically, I'd like to retool it all and bring Jones and Floyd back as veteran leaders. I feel like people are giving up too fast on Rousseau like they did Ed Oliver. 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 3 Posted February 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: I wouldn't even waste a vet minimum roster spot on Shaq anymore. Watching him play in the playoffs was a joke. He's done. Let injury prone Phillips walk along with AJE and Ford. I could live with Settle one more year on a minimum. Signing Jones should be top priority. Draft some new guys. Settle is trash. I wouldn't necessarily guarantee Shaq a spot. But Id bring him back on vet minimum and let him compete in camp. Sure Jones is the priority but he is not a must keep and there should be a price at which they say no and walk away. 17 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Leonard Floyd or Daquan needs to be resigned. Preferably Floyd who doesn’t seem to have slowed down despite his age, although he kind of disappeared in the post-season. I’ll be happy to retain either one. Floyd disappeared after about week 10. He was our best pass rusher early season. But his effectiveness fell of a cliff down the stretch. Edited February 3 by GunnerBill 3 Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 3 Posted February 3 16 hours ago, Sundo91 said: The DL is a black mark on Beane's drafting grade. Aj and Groot are decent but ultimately should be considered fails considering where they were picked. Floyd was a nice surprise this year but isn't a difference maker. Jones was solid, but is older. We are stuck with Von. Our line is weak and needs major attention. Realistically, I'd like to retool it all and bring Jones and Floyd back as veteran leaders. I can't buy Greg as a fail for where he was picked. He has only missed 4 starts in 3 years and has been a good starting defensive end. Exceptional against the run good at batting balls vs the pass. Sure he is only a moderate pass rusher but he was not drafted in the top 10. He was drafted #30 overall. If at the end of round 1 you get an above average starter who has started almost every game through three years that isnt a fail. If the point is he isn't an elite difference maker, sure, he isn't. And overall it is agreed Beane hasn't found enough of those. But Rousseau isn't a failed pick. He is a really good football player. 1 3 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 3 Posted February 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Settle is trash. I wouldn't necessarily guarantee Shaq a spot. But Id bring him back on vet minimum and let him compete in camp. Sure Jones is the priority but he is not a must keep and there should be a price at which they say no and walk away. Floyd disappeared after about week 10. He was our best pass rusher early season. But his effectiveness fell of a cliff down the stretch. foot and rib injuries played a part in that I wish we could find a way to acquire an extra 2nd round pick and come out of that round with DT Sweat Edited February 3 by Warriorspikes51 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 3 Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: foot and rib injuries played a part in that I wish we could find a way to acquire an extra 2nd round pick and come out of that round with DT Sweat Why do we need an extra 2nd to do that? If we have a hole at DT and he's there, just Draft him. Quote
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