Yantha Posted February 2 Posted February 2 (edited) Just posting some facts here in hopes of generating some DL offseason discussion. Lots of players UFA, and I think that Von Miller is done as well, being on the wrong side of 30, personal issues, injuries etc. Not the same player. UDFA DT, ED, Edge: Rank the below players as PAYDAY players, WALK players (let 'em move on), Take it or Leave it offers (minimums), and RETAIN if possible players (competitive offer but may lose 'em) DT Daquon Jones DE Leonard Floyd DT Jordan Philips DT Tim Settle DE AJ Epenesa DE Shaq Lawson DT Poona Ford DT Linval Joseph OLD (and other issues) EDGE Von Miller That's a LOT of contracts to consider this offseason. What stands out the most for me is whether we PAYDAY Daquon Jones, and DE AJ Epenesa? I think that we WALK Leonard Floyd or give him a Take it or Leave it offer. Edited February 2 by Yantha Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 2 Posted February 2 There isn't a single "must keep" on that list for me. I'd be interested in Jones at the right price, Shaq is an easy re-sign to vet minimum, and if AJE fails to get what he wants in free agency and comes back to me I'd be interested in doing a deal. The rest can go. 5 4 Quote
Yantha Posted February 2 Author Posted February 2 I get that but you have to be careful what you wish for. Cobbling together a whole brand new unit might be amazing, or it could be a disaster. There's something to be said for continuity. What's the answer? I'm not sure.... I think it's a really tough call. I like Jones as my #1 target on that list. I'd be hesitant of Epenesa $$$, but hopefully he comes back without a stinker contract for the club. My "Walk" players are Leonard Floyd, Jordan Phillips, Shaq Lawson, Linval Joseph, and Von Miller (find him a new home). 3 Quote
Toledo Bill Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Bill, I am surprised you would not list Jones as a “must keep” unless it is due to age. I feel that he can be dominate, consistently ties up double teams and helps the whole defense be much better. He is the major factor in stopping our run defense from getting shredded as in the past. I will be extremely disappointed if we don’t resign him. 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 2 Posted February 2 5 minutes ago, Yantha said: I get that but you have to be careful what you wish for. Cobbling together a whole brand new unit might be amazing, or it could be a disaster. There's something to be said for continuity. What's the answer? I'm not sure.... I think it's a really tough call. I like Jones as my #1 target on that list. I'd be hesitant of Epenesa $$$, but hopefully he comes back without a stinker contract for the club. My "Walk" players are Leonard Floyd, Jordan Phillips, Shaq Lawson, Linval Joseph, and Von Miller (find him a new home). Surely you'd let "Never Settle" and "PooPoo Ford" walk too? They are hopeless. Just now, Toledo Bill said: Bill, I am surprised you would not list Jones as a “must keep” unless it is due to age. I feel that he can be dominate, consistently ties up double teams and helps the whole defense be much better. He is the major factor in stopping our run defense from getting shredded as in the past. I will be extremely disappointed if we don’t resign him. He is 32 the wall could come literally any moment. I'd like to keep him and I would do a 1 year deal but if he wants a longer commitment then I wouldn't be willing to go there. So by that metric not a must keep. 2 2 2 Quote
Ga boy Posted February 2 Posted February 2 9 minutes ago, Yantha said: I get that but you have to be careful what you wish for. Cobbling together a whole brand new unit might be amazing, or it could be a disaster. There's something to be said for continuity. What's the answer? I'm not sure.... I think it's a really tough call. I like Jones as my #1 target on that list. I'd be hesitant of Epenesa $$$, but hopefully he comes back without a stinker contract for the club. My "Walk" players are Leonard Floyd, Jordan Phillips, Shaq Lawson, Linval Joseph, and Von Miller (find him a new home). Good points. Hope we keep Jones. Continuity is more important for OL. Do we want continuity with this DL group? We can’t do much worse. Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 2 Posted February 2 18 minutes ago, Yantha said: Just posting some facts here in hopes of generating some DL offseason discussion. Lots of players UFA, and I think that Von Miller is done as well, being on the wrong side of 30, personal issues, injuries etc. Not the same player. UDFA DT, ED, Edge: Rank the below players as PAYDAY players, WALK players (let 'em move on), Take it or Leave it offers (minimums), and RETAIN if possible players (competitive offer but may lose 'em) DT Daquon Jones DE Leonard Floyd DT Jordan Philips DT Tim Settle DE AJ Epenesa DE Shaq Lawson DT Poona Ford DT Linval Joseph OLD (and other issues) EDGE Von Miller That's a LOT of contracts to consider this offseason. What stands out the most for me is whether we PAYDAY Daquon Jones, and DE AJ Epenesa? I think that we WALK Leonard Floyd or give him a Take it or Leave it offer. Keeping in mind it takes 2 sides to make a deal I'll rule out the following from returning: - Poona Ford - Sounded really unhappy to be here due to his usage. I don't think he's open to return. - Linval Joseph - Doesn't seem wanting to sign early and go through camp or early season games. A mercenary for hire at this stage. - Jordan Phillips - Openly considering retirement. - Leonard Floyd - Open to come back but following money. That's not something we have in abundance. Likey back- - Von Miller - Contract is almost immovable at this point. Just gotta hope the flashes we saw VERY late in the playoffs carry over. Of course a suspension that removes a chunk of his contract changes everything. - DaQuan Jones - I think his injury saves the Bills some money here. I don't think he sees what he may have otherwise on the open market and returns - Tim Settle - I think they like him and he knows the system. Shouldn't command much. Leaves AJE and Lawson. Lawson should be inexpensive and could be back. AJE could see a nice payday elsewhere. 1 1 Quote
Bangarang Posted February 2 Posted February 2 DL needs an overhaul. The only one I’d want back is Jones. 2 1 Quote
Yantha Posted February 2 Author Posted February 2 (edited) With Settle and Ford, I have them as offering the vet minimum as just in case 3rd stringers.... But in actuality, I'm hoping we sign Jones, and also target a quality DT in the draft, so Settle/Ford (or both) wouldn't make the 53 man roster. FA Targets? Maybe Christian Wilkins (Miami)? We'd have a HUGE amount of $$ tied up at the DT position if we sign Jones and Wilkins, but DL is an area of "need" for investment. Hard call. Edited February 2 by Yantha Quote
GASabresIUFan Posted February 2 Posted February 2 I doubt at this point any of these guys will return. Floyd and Jones will be too expensive to keep. The rest are replaceable. I expect at least 1 DL and 1 Edge in the draft and then a couple of cheap DL players in FA. Quote
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted February 2 Posted February 2 27 minutes ago, Yantha said: Just posting some facts here in hopes of generating some DL offseason discussion. Lots of players UFA, and I think that Von Miller is done as well, being on the wrong side of 30, personal issues, injuries etc. Not the same player. UDFA DT, ED, Edge: Rank the below players as PAYDAY players, WALK players (let 'em move on), Take it or Leave it offers (minimums), and RETAIN if possible players (competitive offer but may lose 'em) DT Daquon Jones DE Leonard Floyd DT Jordan Philips DT Tim Settle DE AJ Epenesa DE Shaq Lawson DT Poona Ford DT Linval Joseph OLD (and other issues) EDGE Von Miller That's a LOT of contracts to consider this offseason. What stands out the most for me is whether we PAYDAY Daquon Jones, and DE AJ Epenesa? I think that we WALK Leonard Floyd or give him a Take it or Leave it offer. I believe I'd re-sign Shaq Lawson, Jordan Phillips and Poona Ford on the cheap. I'd also try and get Leonard Floyd back on a 1 year deal. I'd let all the rest walk, AJ Epenesa had 6.5 sacks and I really like Daquan Jones but at his age and the price tag that he's about to get just wont be worth it. Quote
Westside Posted February 2 Posted February 2 How can we keep having to reload the DL every year? Are the one year contracts that beane loves so much hurting us? It seem every year we have to keep retooling the DL because every year we lose so many lineman? Quote
Yantha Posted February 2 Author Posted February 2 I'll call it right now. On draft day we will be rooting for WR round 1 and we'll pass on "our guy" for the BPA DT... lol 1 minute ago, Westside said: How can we keep having to reload the DL every year? Are the one year contracts that beane loves so much hurting us? It seem every year we have to keep retooling the DL because every year we lose so many lineman? Agreed. It's a LOOOOONG list! 2 Quote
Westside Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Just now, Yantha said: I'll call it right now. On draft day we will be rooting for WR round 1 and we'll pass on "our guy" for the BPA DT... lol Unfortunately I can see that happening due to all the one year contracts beane signs. Quote
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Just now, Westside said: How can we keep having to reload the DL every year? Are the one year contracts that beane loves so much hurting us? It seem every year we have to keep retooling the DL because every year we lose so many lineman? When you start paying your talent and have a franchise QB, this is what you have to do. Quote
SoCal Deek Posted February 2 Posted February 2 2 minutes ago, Westside said: How can we keep having to reload the DL every year? Are the one year contracts that beane loves so much hurting us? It seem every year we have to keep retooling the DL because every year we lose so many lineman? Answer: poor drafting 2 1 2 1 Quote
Westside Posted February 2 Posted February 2 1 minute ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: When you start paying your talent and have a franchise QB, this is what you have to do. But I don’t see the chiefs tearing down there DL every year due to these one year contracts they love so much. Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 2 Posted February 2 7 minutes ago, Yantha said: With Settle and Ford, I have them as offering the vet minimum as just in case 3rd stringers.... But in actuality, I'm hoping we sign Jones, and also target a quality DT in the draft, so Settle/Ford (or both) wouldn't make the 53 man roster. FA Targets? Maybe Christian Wilkins (Miami)? We'd have a HUGE amount of $$ tied up at the DT position if we sign Jones and Wilkins, but DL is an area of "need" for investment. Hard call. Going strictly off Spotrac's projection Wilkins is projected at a 4 year $80M contract. Now they aren't gospel, of course but they get near the ballpark quite a bit. So, no Wilkins is not a likely option. Quote
SoCal Deek Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Just now, Westside said: But I don’t see the chiefs tearing down there DL every year due to these one year contracts they love so much. The illness isn’t the one year contracts; that’s the symptom. The root cause is swinging and missing at Epenesa and Rousseau. If those two guys were performing at anywhere their top draft potential we’d have a solid three stalwarts when coupled with Oliver, not the rotational grab bag we see now. 3 2 2 Quote
The Jokeman Posted February 2 Posted February 2 32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: There isn't a single "must keep" on that list for me. I'd be interested in Jones at the right price, Shaq is an easy re-sign to vet minimum, and if AJE fails to get what he wants in free agency and comes back to me I'd be interested in doing a deal. The rest can go. To me AJE is the most important guy on the list. Is he the best? No but he is the one with the most upside. Now I wouldn't give him top 10 money but to me he's a fringe starting caliber DE so definitely give him a top 64 money, I'd liken him to a Brandon Graham, who is making $5 million a season which seems high but is actually the 32nd highest salary amongst DEs. Quote
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