Bills Receivers worst in drops in the NFL since Brady took over

[Mr. WEO]

he just needs to fit them up...

[Not at the table Karlos]

4 hours ago, eSJayDee said:

It seemed to me that the 1st part of the season Kincaid caught everything near him; not a single drop.  At some point, he started to drop a few, but I still wouldn't call it a problem.  Diggs, 1st part of the season very few drops but at some point, started dropping quite a few.  Also, it seemed that Cook was thrown to later in the season more & had a few critical drops.  I don't know if these issues corresponded to the switch in coordinators, just seemed like a marked difference between early & late season.  (Perhaps weather came into play?  Harder to catch a ball in cold/wet than in warm/dry conditions.)

He had shoulder and wrist injury during this time iirc. 

[colin]

i think this is a result of our talent and our scheme/coaching.

 

we have stone handed clowns in knox an davis getting lots of passes, and we have late in the year changes w the new oc and a complicated system, so guys have to think and react a bit more than in say a shanny system where the guy goes to the one spot and gets a ball at one exact time.

 

i suppose the coaches could also like train these guys to catch better, but at some point it's set in stone and doesn't have much room.

 

davis and knox are both just not natural pass catchers.  cook just has a terrible habit of not looking the ball in.

[H2o]

What does the OC have to do with the players in the game catching or, in this case, not catching the football? If Josh puts the ball in your hands, bring that in. I understand a few here or there because he is throwing some heaters, but these guys have to be better. 

Edited February 2 by H2o

[ROCBillsBeliever]

RALPH IS CHEAP!!!
 

(Am I doing this right?)

[BuffaloBill]

My theory is that JA throws the ball so hard that the Bills receivers have broken hands.  

 

 

 

 

/ sarcasm

[PBF81]

3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

So, where are you getting those stats? I'd love to see week by week data.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2023_advanced.htm

 

Click on Advanced Passing.  That'll show you the totals, from there click on any player and their Advanced Passing and you can see their individual drops by game.  

 

Diggs has for under Brady, two each vs. the Jets and KC, both of which we beat.

 

Kinaid had the, two against Dallas which we beat, and one against Philly.  

 

Davis had none.

Shakir had none.

 

Not sure where the others came from.  

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

As mentioned in another thread: IT'S NOT A COACHING PROBLEM, IT'S A TALENT PROBLEM
 

[HOUSE]

Gaberalosis

 

[T master]

6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

It's hard to determine why this happened, but once Brady took over, Buffalo had:

 

21 drops

 

10.1% drop rate

 

Both worst in the NFL over that span

 

Maybe so but Josh had the second most INT's in the NFL too but had 4306 yds this season which is 3rd in the league .

 

Chiefs had the most drops with 44 & the Bills had 30 which was 8th in the league . 

 

There may have been more drops after Brady took over but i would like to see where you got that info but things definitely got better when Brady took over so Dorcey's play calls must have been & wasn't as potent as Brady so i'm good !! 

[Chaos]

As a Brady, he is responsible for inflating the footballs. But he is not good at it. He keeps over inflating them. 

[Ga boy]

Here’s a theory:  seems that many QBs know whom they will throw to pre-snap, and the receiver knows it too.  It’s a readiness thing.  Whereas, JA17, is making his decisions post-snap, and he is improvising as he looks at his options.  None of the receivers have an idea until the ball is coming at them.  Yes, they should all be ready and they should catch the ball if it hits their hands.  However, if I know I’m going to be the target from the get-go, then I’m ready.  Nice theory, huh? 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 minutes ago, Ga boy said:

Here’s a theory:  seems that many QBs know whom they will throw to pre-snap, and the receiver knows it too.  It’s a readiness thing.  Whereas, JA17, is making his decisions post-snap, and he is improvising as he looks at his options.  None of the receivers have an idea until the ball is coming at them.  Yes, they should all be ready and they should catch the ball if it hits their hands.  However, if I know I’m going to be the target from the get-go, then I’m ready.  Nice theory, huh? 

This is gonna be a popular post, but I agree.

 

Josh is not a pre-snap read guy. At all.

 

[Westside]

1 hour ago, bmur66 said:

Cook and Knox dropped some balls because they were thinking about their next move rather than focusing on catching the ball first. You could see it.

Yeah, they dropped some balls that were placed right in there hands which they dropped. Especially Cook. He dropped a couple easy touchdown passes that cost us the game. He definitely needs to improve this coming season.

[Billzgobowlin]

Could have a lot to do with second half Diggs more than anything since he is always the top target.  Cook and Knox were dropping passes to begin with

[Chaos]

29 minutes ago, Ga boy said:

Here’s a theory:  seems that many QBs know whom they will throw to pre-snap, and the receiver knows it too.  It’s a readiness thing.  Whereas, JA17, is making his decisions post-snap, and he is improvising as he looks at his options.  None of the receivers have an idea until the ball is coming at them.  Yes, they should all be ready and they should catch the ball if it hits their hands.  However, if I know I’m going to be the target from the get-go, then I’m ready.  Nice theory, huh? 

No

[Bob Jones]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

As mentioned in another thread: IT'S NOT A COACHING PROBLEM, IT'S A TALENT PROBLEM
 

Honestly, it’s BOTH lack of talent AND average coaching. As has been noted many times, a HS coach could get the Bills to the playoffs with JA17 at QB.

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Dorsey may not have been a great offensive coordinator but he was excellent at running the jugs machine.

I was fooling around on the google machine earlier this week and saw that when Dorsey was a QB at the University of Miami, he set all kinds of school records, and his W-L record over 4 years was 38-2! They won one national championship and came close to a second, but were beat by Ohio State. I did not know all of the latter til this week.

[pennstate10]

4 hours ago, Pete said:

any casual football fan that watches most teams can easily see the Bills WRs drop more passes than any other team.

 

Other teams catch everything against us, making unbelievable catches.  We drop easy TDs.

 

Other kickers hit 50+ yarders in the rain when the game is on the line.  Bass gets the yips on extra points.

 

Buffalo is so good that they make mistake after mistake, and still win.  If they ever tightened up, and mastered basics, the Bills would be a Dynasty with Josh

Actually Chiefs receivers dropped quite a few throughout the season. 
 

The reversed that trend in the divisional game and had zero drops against the Bills. 

[DCOrange]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2023_advanced.htm

 

Click on Advanced Passing.  That'll show you the totals, from there click on any player and their Advanced Passing and you can see their individual drops by game.  

 

Diggs has for under Brady, two each vs. the Jets and KC, both of which we beat.

 

Kinaid had the, two against Dallas which we beat, and one against Philly.  

 

Davis had none.

Shakir had none.

 

Not sure where the others came from.  

 

 

PFF also has Buffalo with 21 drops since Brady took over (including the two postseason games, so obviously we played more games in that span than a lot of other teams, thus inflating the drop totals).

 

Cook - 6

Diggs - 5

Kincaid - 3

Latavius - 2

Shakir, Gabe, Knox, Sherfield, and Morris - 1

[bigK14094]

JOsh throws balls to spots upon occasion hoping his receiver will get there.  I have seen both Davis and Shikir "get there", so that sometime works.  But, Josh likes the hero ball throw, and sometimes the receivers get a glove and nothing else on the ball...hence called a drop.  so, the comment above about some being on Josh is correct.  But, he does that for the right reason, and sometimes it works out ok.  On the other hand, Cooks drops this year were just lack of concentration and poor hands.  I won't say bad hands, he catches some, but dropped the td pass against the Chiefs.  Can't do that against them and be a winner.