90sBills Posted February 8 Posted February 8 2 hours ago, mjt328 said: But he's really not the "best player in the league by miles." That's the issue. The only obvious separation between Mahomes/Allen is in postseason success. The Bills win in the regular season. The Chiefs win in the playoffs and end up in the Super Bowl. Don’t you think that’s a BIG difference regardless of similarity in regular season stats? Playoffs is where it’s at and Mahomes separates himself from everyone else including Allen. Great players rises in the biggest moments. This is something Allen needs to work on imo. 2 hours ago, eball said: I'm not going to even read this thread, but you're talking about a QB who hasn't failed to reach the conference championship game in ANY of his seasons as a starting QB. What exactly are people supposed to say about him? That he’s carried by Reid and Kelce. Quote
Mark Vader Posted February 8 Posted February 8 On 2/1/2024 at 7:07 PM, Mikie2times said: If you started watching football in the 90's or earlier you got to witness the entirety of Brady with some decent context to boot. It felt like Brady was inevitable . If he had the ball late it wasn't if he would score but when. Leads didn't matter. He practically erased other HOF level QB's of that generation. Sure Ben, Peyton, and Drew eventually got one, which is good lesson for us because it really felt unlikely for a period of time. I think most of us feel like that level of domination just isn't possible again. Like what we saw was a once in lifetime thing. Bruce Smiths sack record, Barry Sanders doing Barry things. You just don't think you will see some things again because until that point all those years taught you they shouldn't happen in the first place. So when we see a guy like Mahomes have this type of success we sort of think, ok, ya, he's good but do it again. Then the next year you say the same thing. Then the next and the next and eventually you forget that you have been saying do it again for half a decade. Maybe what we are seeing is in fact another version of what all of us hoped we would never see again. Which as history has taught us, does not mean we will not get one or perhaps more, but it does mean it will be a very difficult path. Brady played in an era where stats were just not as easy to pile up as Mahomes so when you look at the data keep that in context. After 6 years in the league...... Mahomes = 4 AFC Championships, 2 Super Bowls, 1 pending Brady = 3 AFC championships, 3 Super Bowls The stats after 6 seasons aren't really close. I included Allen's most recent 5 years and extrapolated it into 6 years for comparisons sake. We sit here every offseason trying to solve why we didn't get to the Super Bowl like it's a physics question. Nobody would think that way during the Brady era. You knew out of the gate you weren't the favorite. You never were going to be the favorite and it would take something special to overcome it. We don't think that way because we keep saying ya, sure, do it again. Over and over it goes. I see no evidence that he's a cheater, so my answer would be no. Quote
muppy Posted February 10 Posted February 10 this was on my feed today and there isn't a really appropo place to post it. But I think its pretty funny 1 Quote
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted February 10 Posted February 10 On 2/1/2024 at 10:08 PM, KDIGGZ said: No...so far he's better lol I know this board is bias for obvious reasons, but come on. Mahomes is great, but he’s going to need at least another decade of stellar play plus a few more titles to be in the Brady category. Brady also beat Mahomes head up in the AFC championship and Super Bowl. If he were to retire today he would be closer to the Brett Favre tier. I think he is well on his way to the GOAT conversation, but still lacks the longevity and the rings. The AFCW is not going to be a cakewalk anymore either w/ Harbaugh there now. The conference as a whole is absolutely loaded now w/ good QBs too. I don’t think Chiefs are going to be a dynasty like everyone thinks. I am really interested to see how their offense looks without Travis Kelce. Quote
K D Posted February 11 Posted February 11 1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: lol I know this board is bias for obvious reasons, but come on. Mahomes is great, but he’s going to need at least another decade of stellar play plus a few more titles to be in the Brady category. Brady also beat Mahomes head up in the AFC championship and Super Bowl. If he were to retire today he would be closer to the Brett Favre tier. I think he is well on his way to the GOAT conversation, but still lacks the longevity and the rings. The AFCW is not going to be a cakewalk anymore either w/ Harbaugh there now. The conference as a whole is absolutely loaded now w/ good QBs too. I don’t think Chiefs are going to be a dynasty like everyone thinks. I am really interested to see how their offense looks without Travis Kelce. That's why it says "so far" Quote
loyal2dagame Posted February 11 Posted February 11 As a player on the field, Mahomes is way ahead of Brady year for year. As a winner, not even close. Brady did way more with less year for year. Quote
Success Posted February 11 Posted February 11 Anyone check the Pats boards on this topic? Mahomes needs 8 Super Bowls to surpass Brady, per them. That's really not how it works. Bill Russell isn't the GOAT in basketball. And there is some idea that it's meaningful that Brady beat Mahomes in their head-to-head match-ups. As though it's tennis. Quote
LeGOATski Posted February 11 Posted February 11 On 2/1/2024 at 8:10 PM, SoonerBillsFan said: According to those stats, so is Allen. But the BILLS haven't been as good as the Pats or Chiefs. Well, obviously wins and Super Bowls aren't just a QB stat... On 2/8/2024 at 3:06 PM, 90sBills said: Don’t you think that’s a BIG difference regardless of similarity in regular season stats? Playoffs is where it’s at and Mahomes separates himself from everyone else including Allen. Great players rises in the biggest moments. This is something Allen needs to work on imo. Allen has risen to the moment just fine. He has amazing playoff performances, including the losses. It's a team sport. 2 1 Quote
Chaos Posted February 11 Posted February 11 On 2/2/2024 at 12:48 AM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: That year was the turning point in Brady's career as I recall. Up until that point he had the rings but never had dominant statistics. Up until that year, I always thought Peyton was the better QB but he just wasn't on the better team. I often say Mahomes is Manning and Brady rolled into one so far in his early career. He has the stats and the rings. Tiger Woods was "far better than" Jack Nicklaus until he ended up falling well short of Nicklaus' career majors wins record. Mahomes may be on a hypothetical track to a better career. But it is way too pre-mature to say his career equals Brady's. 3 1 Quote
finn Posted February 11 Posted February 11 On 2/8/2024 at 5:06 PM, 90sBills said: Don’t you think that’s a BIG difference regardless of similarity in regular season stats? Playoffs is where it’s at and Mahomes separates himself from everyone else including Allen. Great players rises in the biggest moments. This is something Allen needs to work on imo. Can you specify how he should work on that? Having a future HOF WR and a future HOF TE to throw to behind a line with an-Pro line and a future HOF coach calling his plays,? That kind of work? Yes, he should get right on it! Mahomes has clearly separated himself from Allen. 1 Quote
PayDaBill$ Posted February 11 Posted February 11 (edited) No but he’s closing in on Kermit….. Edited February 11 by PayDaBill$ Quote
finn Posted February 11 Posted February 11 6 hours ago, loyal2dagame said: As a player on the field, Mahomes is way ahead of Brady year for year. As a winner, not even close. Brady did way more with less year for year. How would you put those two considerations together? Sounds like if Brady had Mahomes' situation, he would have done even better than he did, is that right? Quote
Orlando Buffalo Posted February 12 Posted February 12 This conversation is always confusing to me, if cheating is a problem then Brady is not impressive but if not then he is clearly the goat. Quote
K D Posted February 12 Posted February 12 You thought the drought years were bad always losing to Brady? He was only the 2nd best player in history. Welcome to another decade + of pain Quote
Einstein Posted February 12 Posted February 12 On 2/8/2024 at 4:26 PM, Einstein said: Narratives swing SO easily. - If he wins on Sunday, the "GOAT" talk will spring up. - But if he loses, that means he will have as lost as many Super Bowls as he has won and the GOAT talk will be down to it's embers. Just FYI for everyone, Mahomes stats in the Super Bowl is 5 TD's, 4 INT's and 3 Fumbles. At the same age, Brady's stats in the Super Bowl was 6 TD's, 1 INT, 1 Fumble. Ding ding ding. Narratives swing easily. We are a San Fran missed extra point from Mahomes being 2-2 in the SB. But he did (miss it). So Mahomes is 3-1 and in the GOAT talk. Quote
ALLinALLEN Posted February 12 Posted February 12 The bills traded the 10th overall pick to the chiefs for Mahomes in 2017 while they had tyrod taylor Quote
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