Is Mahomes at Brady Levels?

[Bruffalo]

13 hours ago, zow2 said:

The recent dynasties included an all-world QB and an all-world TE

 

Brady had Gronk

Mahomes has Kelce

 

Allen - hopefully Kincaid becomes the centerpiece. He has the ability.

 

 

This point is probably understated in the NFL world.  A world beater at TE is such a mismatch advantage that other teams need to completely change the way the opposing defense has to cover. It stops teams from playing "their game". 

 

Allen hasn't had that yet.  DKx2 is a pretty great combo though, if Kincaid keeps developing they may be a force. 

[Goin Breakdown]

Praising the Mahomes machine on the Bills board. 

[HOUSE]

Reminds me of a thread found on the Chiefs board in 2021

Coincidence,  I think not

[The 9 Isles]

…..and the Bills are responsible for hading him over to the Chiefs. 

the curse is real 🥲

 

[Nextmanup]

Yes, pretty much.  He's off to a great start.  He isn't going anywhere.

 

Only time will tell if he can produce as much as Brady did, but I think he'll do it.

 

And yes, Mahomes, Reid, and KC, are the new Tom Brady, BB, and New England.

 

And yes, it sucks.

 

 

[HappyDays]

6 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Patriots teams were really well rounded with a great defense and run game.

 

The Chiefs defense gave up less points in 3 playoff games than the Bills defense gave up in 2 playoff games.

[FilthyBeast]

If we are comparing their first 6 years, Mahomes will be better when he wins his 3rd superbowl next Sunday because he not only matches Brady in titles, but will have much better numbers and also have been to one more superbowl, albeit a loss and ironically to Brady.

 

Also lot of people forget that Brady wasn't putting up astronomical numbers early on his career when he won his first 3 superbowls with the Patriots. Those teams were all about defense and special teams leading way which is why it's silly to discount Belichik and how much of a factor he truly was during his illustrious coaching career.

 

This is why I still fear 20 or so years down the road people are going to look back and truly realize the mistake this franchise made passing on Mahomes and essentially trading him to the Chiefs. Especially if Allen never ends up winning a championship here mainly because of Mahomes standing in his way.

[Matt_In_NH]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

The Chiefs defense gave up less points in 3 playoff games than the Bills defense gave up in 2 playoff games.

Not all that surprising They have a good defense this year 

Edited February 2 by Matt_In_NH

[Danger Mouse]

I think he’s better than Brady 

[Julio Hopkins]

Unless a Spygate related event happens to Mahomes in the next decade, he's better than Brady.  

[Buffalo03]

13 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

Right now I’d rather he be Rivers than the current Chargers QB….at least Rivers knows how to get his team to the playoffs 

I think the problem with the Chargers of recent times was Brandon Staley. We will find out soon enough 

[Buffalo03]

36 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

If we are comparing their first 6 years, Mahomes will be better when he wins his 3rd superbowl next Sunday because he not only matches Brady in titles, but will have much better numbers and also have been to one more superbowl, albeit a loss and ironically to Brady.

 

Also lot of people forget that Brady wasn't putting up astronomical numbers early on his career when he won his first 3 superbowls with the Patriots. Those teams were all about defense and special teams leading way which is why it's silly to discount Belichik and how much of a factor he truly was during his illustrious coaching career.

 

This is why I still fear 20 or so years down the road people are going to look back and truly realize the mistake this franchise made passing on Mahomes and essentially trading him to the Chiefs. Especially if Allen never ends up winning a championship here mainly because of Mahomes standing in his way.

Not really. Tom Brady during those first few Super Bowls was like Montana and Bill Walsh. Walsh was a good coach but he doesn't win Super bowls without Montana. If Belichick had any other QB, he would have been lucky to win one or even go to one in that time frame. Just how it is. 

[Brand J]

Two ruthless tormentors.

[TheWei44]

The more interesting question, perhaps, is what did Tampa/Brady/defense do to beat the Chiefs with Mahomes in the Super Bowl?!  Maybe a blueprint for us?  I'm mostly kidding, but it's one stark example of Chiefs with Mahomes failing/having a bad game in the playoffs!

[AlfaBill]

15 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Can we put the Mahomes threads in a different forum please?

 

He doesn’t play for the Bills. Yes he’s good. Yes Josh is also good. Yes he is beatable. Yes he has beaten the Bills in the playoffs often.

 

Cool.

Me thinks some Bills fans are really Chefs fans. 

1 hour ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:

Reminds me of a thread found on the Chiefs board in 2021

Coincidence,  I think not

Mr 2x is likely a Chiefs fan who has nothing better to do than troll

[FilthyBeast]

55 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Not really. Tom Brady during those first few Super Bowls was like Montana and Bill Walsh. Walsh was a good coach but he doesn't win Super bowls without Montana. If Belichick had any other QB, he would have been lucky to win one or even go to one in that time frame. Just how it is. 

 

Coaching matters, and it's a big part of the reason why guys like Brady/Mahomes/Montana etc became who they were because the right systems and supporting casts were in place.

 

And I'm not going to necessarily disagree about Belichik not having the accolades he does right now if Brady was never in the picture, but he's proven his worth going back to pre Brady when he was with the Giants as their DC during 2 superbowl runs there, including with a backup QB that beat the Bills in the only real shot this team had in those 4 straight SB's to win a championship.

 

Getting back to Mahomes though, obviously the next narrative he's going to have to dispel is winning without Reid like Brady did without Belichik (and with a completely different team), and that day will likely come sooner than later since Reid is not the same age Belichik was when those Pats teams started winning superbowls with Brady and rumors still floating around he could retire as soon as next week after the superbowl, win or lose.

[Mikie2times]

18 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

Me thinks some Bills fans are really Chefs fans. 

Mr 2x is likely a Chiefs fan who has nothing better to do than troll

I'm playing the long game, 20 years and 5,000 posts of trolling 😂

[Buffalo03]

20 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Coaching matters, and it's a big part of the reason why guys like Brady/Mahomes/Montana etc became who they were because the right systems and supporting casts were in place.

 

And I'm not going to necessarily disagree about Belichik not having the accolades he does right now if Brady was never in the picture, but he's proven his worth going back to pre Brady when he was with the Giants as their DC during 2 superbowl runs there, including with a backup QB that beat the Bills in the only real shot this team had in those 4 straight SB's to win a championship.

 

Getting back to Mahomes though, obviously the next narrative he's going to have to dispel is winning without Reid like Brady did without Belichik (and with a completely different team), and that day will likely come sooner than later since Reid is not the same age Belichik was when those Pats teams started winning superbowls with Brady and rumors still floating around he could retire as soon as next week after the superbowl, win or lose.

You do realize pre Brady he was a failure as a Browns head coach, right? He went 36-44 in 5 seasons there with 1 playoff season and post Brady he hasn't had any success either. And Parcells was the HC of those 2 Giants Super Bowls. The Bills would have won if they weren't so stubborn about their game plan. Belichick himself said that they invited the Bills to run the whole game and the Bills chose not to. When they did, Thurman went for 135 yards on 15 carries. Imagine if he gets 25 or 30 carries. We get a Lombardi. The Bills stubbornness is not something to give Belichick credit for

[Bills Bud]

Like I tell people that think Lebron is better than Jordan, count the rings

[Einstein]

You can't look at stats. Brady played the first half of his career in a different era. For example, the leading passer in 2002 had 28 TD's. The leader passer in 2022 had 41 TD's. Big difference. 

Stats aside, if the game is on the line and I have to choose 1 QB to lead a game-winning drive... I'm picking Brady every time. 

1) Brady is simply cold as ice in game winning situations.

 

2) Mahomes is a Jalen Hurts idiotic fumble away from being 1-2 in the Super Bowl.

3) Brady won those first 3 Super Bowls with a very mediocre WR room. He never had a Tyreek Hill or Travis Kelce in those first 3 SB wins.

 

Mahomes CAN pass Brady at some point. But he is not there yet. Not even close actually.