st pete gogolak Posted February 1 Posted February 1 The recent back and forth whether to move on from McDermott because he “can’t get us over the hump” takes me back to one game: Super Bowl XXVII against the Dallas Cowboys. The Bills had an up and down 1992 season, failing to win the division and losing Kelly to injury last game of the season. The playoffs, however, were memorable, starting with the Comeback against the Oilers, followed by impressive road wins against the Steelers with Reich again at QB, and the Dolphins, with Kelly back at QB. The Super Bowl, however, was a debacle and an embarrassment. No question Cowboys had a very strong team and frankly a better team. It shouldn’t have been a blowout. It’s interesting to look at stats and play-by-play from the game. Bills had more first downs and total yardage was relatively close. Final score - 52 - 17! Two key sequences. Down 14 - 7, Bills has second and goal from Dallas one. Two runs and an interception followed. Later, Bills down 21 - 7, Bills had first and goal inside the Dallas 5 and settled for a FG. That was pretty much all she wrote. The embarrassing part was that the Bills fumbled eight times and lost five and threw four interceptions, two each by Kelly and Reich. Nine turnovers in the biggest game of the year!!!! It’s hard to imagine a less well prepared team going into a big game. Levy was a good coach, not a great coach. It was clear after that game that he’d never lead the Bills to a SB win. Do you fire a coach who has led you to three straight SB’s? In hindsight, the answer is, yeah you probably do. Blow it up and let your GM start the rebuild. Instead we fire the GM and keep the coach. Does this give any insight to our present situation? I think yes. McDermott should be on the hot seat this year. Super Bowl or bust. If we don’t do in 2024, time to move on. 5 1 13 1 4 Quote
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 1 Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: The embarrassing part was that the Bills fumbled eight times and lost five and threw four interceptions, two each by Kelly and Reich. Nine turnovers in the biggest game of the year!!!! 9 turnovers is insane; how is that even possible? I haven’t seen that game since it aired (for obvious reasons), but now am curious to go back and watch it. (I do remember one of the SB’s against Dallas, we were up at halftime!). 3 Quote
dma0034 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 Those Bills teams were known for their partying. Honestly a thing of legend still. Wonder how many Superbowls they could have won if they didn't. 4 1 1 Quote
Gregg Posted February 1 Posted February 1 Just now, dma0034 said: Those Bills teams were known for their partying. Honestly a thing of legend still. Wonder how many Superbowls they could have won if they didn't. The Giants game was the only one they should have won. They were the better team. Washington just physically manhandled the Bills. The Cowboys were the better team although the 9 turnovers in the first game against them didn't help. 1 8 1 Quote
Steptide Posted February 1 Posted February 1 (edited) Can't remember if it was this superbowl, or the other Dallas superbowl, but didn't the bills punt at one point from like the 50, and Dallas ran it back for like 35 yards, turning up a net punt of like 15 yards? Just terrible Edited February 1 by Steptide Quote
Low Positive Posted February 1 Posted February 1 5 minutes ago, dma0034 said: Those Bills teams were known for their partying. Honestly a thing of legend still. Wonder how many Superbowls they could have won if they didn't. Are you here to tell me that the '90s Cowboys were a bunch of milk-drinking choir boys? 1 4 3 Quote
dma0034 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 Just now, Low Positive said: Are you here to tell me that the '90s Cowboys were a bunch of milk-drinking choir boys? I mean I'm not saying that at all but the Bills partying was the story. Besides the Cowboys choice of ummm... substance was far more beneficial than alcohol 1 1 1 Quote
Westside Posted February 1 Posted February 1 4 minutes ago, Low Positive said: Are you here to tell me that the '90s Cowboys were a bunch of milk-drinking choir boys? I didn’t get that take at all. Weird Quote
Simon Posted February 1 Posted February 1 4 minutes ago, Low Positive said: Are you here to tell me that the '90s Cowboys were a bunch of milk-drinking choir boys? A team full of cokeheads always beats a team full of drunks 2 1 12 3 Quote
I'm Spartacus Posted February 1 Posted February 1 Most embarrassing day? When some idiot threw the Billdo on the field. 2nd place goes to the guy who threw the snowball in Chuck Foreman's face. 3rd place goes to the guy who slid down the upper deck railing and fell off. We can be better than that, no? 1 1 5 1 Quote
DeltaDigital Posted February 1 Posted February 1 24 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: The recent back and forth whether to move on from McDermott because he “can’t get us over the hump” takes me back to one game: Super Bowl XXVII against the Dallas Cowboys. The Bills had an up and down 1992 season, failing to win the division and losing Kelly to injury last game of the season. The playoffs, however, were memorable, starting with the Comeback against the Oilers, followed by impressive road wins against the Steelers with Reich again at QB, and the Dolphins, with Kelly back at QB. The Super Bowl, however, was a debacle and an embarrassment. No question Cowboys had a very strong team and frankly a better team. It shouldn’t have been a blowout. It’s interesting to look at stats and play-by-play from the game. Bills had more first downs and total yardage was relatively close. Final score - 52 - 17! Two key sequences. Down 14 - 7, Bills has second and goal from Dallas one. Two runs and an interception followed. Later, Bills down 21 - 7, Bills had first and goal inside the Dallas 5 and settled for a FG. That was pretty much all she wrote. The embarrassing part was that the Bills fumbled eight times and lost five and threw four interceptions, two each by Kelly and Reich. Nine turnovers in the biggest game of the year!!!! It’s hard to imagine a less well prepared team going into a big game. Levy was a good coach, not a great coach. It was clear after that game that he’d never lead the Bills to a SB win. Do you fire a coach who has led you to three straight SB’s? In hindsight, the answer is, yeah you probably do. Blow it up and let your GM start the rebuild. Instead we fire the GM and keep the coach. Does this give any insight to our present situation? I think yes. McDermott should be on the hot seat this year. Super Bowl or bust. If we don’t do in 2024, time to move on. yea. when i tell people they had 9 turnovers in that game they think im kidding. 2 Quote
Logic Posted February 1 Posted February 1 26 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: Does this give any insight to our present situation? I think yes. McDermott should be on the hot seat this year. Super Bowl or bust. If we don’t do in 2024, time to move on. I feel like maybe you buried the lede. Did you actually want to talk about the Bills-Cowboys Super Bowl, or was this just a cleverly and elaborately disguised "McDermott should be on the hot seat" post? 5 2 1 Quote
Malazan Posted February 1 Posted February 1 13 minutes ago, Low Positive said: Are you here to tell me that the '90s Cowboys were a bunch of milk-drinking choir boys? It sure sounds like it: https://larrybrownsports.com/football/charles-haley-penis-*****/269742 Here's an excerpt about Haley's Locker Room antics: "Once Haley wrapped an Ace bandage around it and strolled through the locker room, screaming, “I’m the last naked warrior!” Quote
WhoTom Posted February 1 Posted February 1 The most embarrassing day in Bills history is the day they re-signed Dick Jauron as HC, "for the sake of continuity." 2 1 Quote
Low Positive Posted February 1 Posted February 1 3 minutes ago, Logic said: I feel like maybe you buried the lede. Did you actually want to talk about the Bills-Cowboys Super Bowl, or was this just a cleverly and elaborately disguised "McDermott should be on the hot seat" post? 2 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 1 Posted February 1 (edited) 35 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: The recent back and forth whether to move on from McDermott because he “can’t get us over the hump” takes me back to one game: Super Bowl XXVII against the Dallas Cowboys. The Bills had an up and down 1992 season, failing to win the division and losing Kelly to injury last game of the season. The playoffs, however, were memorable, starting with the Comeback against the Oilers, followed by impressive road wins against the Steelers with Reich again at QB, and the Dolphins, with Kelly back at QB. The Super Bowl, however, was a debacle and an embarrassment. No question Cowboys had a very strong team and frankly a better team. It shouldn’t have been a blowout. It’s interesting to look at stats and play-by-play from the game. Bills had more first downs and total yardage was relatively close. Final score - 52 - 17! Two key sequences. Down 14 - 7, Bills has second and goal from Dallas one. Two runs and an interception followed. Later, Bills down 21 - 7, Bills had first and goal inside the Dallas 5 and settled for a FG. That was pretty much all she wrote. The embarrassing part was that the Bills fumbled eight times and lost five and threw four interceptions, two each by Kelly and Reich. Nine turnovers in the biggest game of the year!!!! It’s hard to imagine a less well prepared team going into a big game. Levy was a good coach, not a great coach. It was clear after that game that he’d never lead the Bills to a SB win. Do you fire a coach who has led you to three straight SB’s? In hindsight, the answer is, yeah you probably do. Blow it up and let your GM start the rebuild. Instead we fire the GM and keep the coach. Does this give any insight to our present situation? I think yes. McDermott should be on the hot seat this year. Super Bowl or bust. If we don’t do in 2024, time to move on. I remember right before Jim went down he threw a timing pass to Pete Metzelaars and metz slipped which led to the INT. Several said if Frank Reich played he would have won us a Superbowl. Well he took over down 14 -7 and the rest is the history you outlined. The play which really PO'ed me was us down near our own goal line and Kelly gets sacked for the Fumble TD. 30 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: 9 turnovers is insane; how is that even possible? I haven’t seen that game since it aired (for obvious reasons), but now am curious to go back and watch it. (I do remember one of the SB’s against Dallas, we were up at halftime!). 27 minutes ago, Gregg said: The Giants game was the only one they should have won. They were the better team. Washington just physically manhandled the Bills. The Cowboys were the better team although the 9 turnovers in the first game against them didn't help. We should have won SB 28 in Atlanta. A friend of mine was there and she said the moment Thurman Fumbled, the Team was done. You could see it from the stands. Edited February 1 by SoonerBillsFan 3 Quote
corta765 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 24 minutes ago, Gregg said: The Giants game was the only one they should have won. They were the better team. Washington just physically manhandled the Bills. The Cowboys were the better team although the 9 turnovers in the first game against them didn't help. I intentionally rewatched SB28 last year or the year prior. Buffalo was controlling the game but they left points on the board heading into the second half. The fumble certainly changed momentum, but the defense actually did a good job to give the Bills offense as much as a shot to get back in as they could before the damn broke with 10 minutes left in the fourth quarter. To me Bills should've won 25, deserved to lose 26-27 as they were not the better team, and 28 was a game up in the air and closer then the final score it just got away as the offense never could make a play when it matter in the second half. 1 3 Quote
DrBob806 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 15 minutes ago, DeltaDigital said: yea. when i tell people they had 9 turnovers in that game they think im kidding. That's when I realized Kelly was over rated, hate to say it. 2 1 Quote
T.E. Posted February 1 Posted February 1 The most embarrassing day in Bills history in my lifetime (just turned 40) was the first game played in Toronto. Not only did our crappy, heartless team get rolled by Miami, you could hear audible "Let's Go Dolphins" chants from the crowd. They took a home game away from Buffalo and put it in a different country, ironically giving the Dolphins a friendlier environment than they get when the Bills play them in Miami. It was such a disgrace. 5 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted February 1 Posted February 1 Levy and McDermott are both good coaches. But they are not destined to be great. There's too many little flaws and details they fail on. Fans now are terrified to fire McD and try someone else. God forbid we go back to the drought years. With Josh everything is possible. Why not go all in surrounding your best player with more weapons. This is a strategy Sean waited way too long to activate. 4 1 Quote
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