MrEpsYtown Posted February 1 Posted February 1 This is like the Bills firing McDermott and hiring Brandon Staley as the new HC. 1 3 2 Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 1 Posted February 1 5 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Valid point. Spagnuolo has had 2 shots as HC: 3 years with the St Louis Rams (spoiler: it was awful. For the first year, he had a QB in Marc Bulger who was probably like the Fitzy of his time? able to succeed in some systems, but at this point older and struggling. Then they drafted Sam Bradford, who looked OK his first season under Pat Shurmer, then totally AFU under Mike McDaniels. Anyway, the team went 1-15, 7-9, 2-14 under Spagnuolo. He got a 2nd shot as interim HC of the Giants, and went 1-3 (and didn't get the job). It may be the feeling on Spagnuolo is that he's a brilliant DC but HC means "promoting him beyond his level of competence". Yea. He just isn't necessarily a HC personality. Very good coach though. 13 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Oh, my gosh, I hadn't looked at this. Dan Quinn's staff his first year and when they went to the SB: OC Kyle Shanahan (49ers coach, SB this year), QB Coach Matt LaFleur (GB coach, playoffs this year, beat Dallas convincingly); Mike LaFleur (Rams OC this year, playoffs); Mike McDaniel as offensive assistant. Yea that entire offensive staff was Shanahan's staff. Basically he was the Head Coach but Kyle had total control over offense from scheme to play calling to staff and even personnel - remember they brought Alex Mack and Tyler Gabriel in from Cleveland where Kyle had just been and Matt Schaub who Kyle had in Houston as the backup QB. The offense was Shanahan's show. 2 Quote
Low Positive Posted February 1 Posted February 1 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Yea. He just isn't necessarily a HC personality. Very good coach though. I just wrote and erased a very long post about this, but your post states this more succinctly. BTW, I think that we are seeing the same thing with Daboll in NY. Some people don't have the personality to lead white delegating. 1 Quote
boco357 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 They hired a coach from 28 to 3, not the one was expecting. Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 1 Author Posted February 1 19 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Oh, my gosh, I hadn't looked at this. Dan Quinn's staff his first year and when they went to the SB: OC Kyle Shanahan (49ers coach, SB this year), QB Coach Matt LaFleur (GB coach, playoffs this year, beat Dallas convincingly); Mike LaFleur (Rams OC this year, playoffs); Mike McDaniel as offensive assistant. By 2017 they were all gone and it was a downhill slide. Also he had Richard Smith as his DC, and fired him I think? after 2016 SB collapse, but I think Quinn had taken over playcalling part way through the 2016 season? Yeah, Sus choice to give Quinn a shot as DC. And the thing I see there is....he can't even really get credit for "assembling" that staff on offense. He got Shanahan. That was a good hire. However, Shanahan clearly brought the rest in as they pretty much traveled together (LaFleur an McDaniel) at that point. Quote
HomeskillitMoorman Posted February 1 Posted February 1 (edited) A defensive coach whose defense let them down consistently in big games and isn’t a good in-game manager. I do feel bad for them for some reason… 49 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: This is like the Bills firing McDermott and hiring Brandon Staley as the new HC. It’s kind of like if we fired McD and brought in Quinn himself. There’s really no difference. Edited February 1 by HomeskillitMoorman Quote
MrEpsYtown Posted February 1 Posted February 1 11 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: A defensive coach whose defense let them down consistently in big games and isn’t a good in-game manager. I do feel bad for them for some reason… It’s kind of like if we fired McD and brought in Quinn himself. There’s really no difference. Rivera and Quinn both took teams to super bowls, so I think they are in a slightly different tier. But its all the same garbage. Quote
Roundybout Posted February 1 Posted February 1 This is like going from Dick Jauron to Perry Fewell 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 1 Posted February 1 4 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Vrabel and Belichick officially bypassed by everyone. And yet ANOTHER defensive HC hired this cycle. Defense is BACK BAY-BEEEE Over Vrabel...wow. 1 Quote
Chicken Boo Posted February 1 Posted February 1 (edited) Initially I didn't like the hire but now that I've had time to think about it, Quinn is legit. There's a strong 49er connection with Adam Peters. Also, Quinn led Atlanta to the Super Bowl with Kyle Shanahan as his OC (should have won). They have the most cap room in the league and the #2 pick in the draft. I can dig it. Edited February 1 by Chicken Boo Quote
Doc Brown Posted February 1 Posted February 1 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: The complete silence on Bienemy, even after moving out of Reid's shadow, and even after making Howell look good... is quite telling. I do wonder what exactly about him disqualifies him so completely from a HC opportunity. Is it really the baggage from Colorado? Is he really that big a prick in interviews? Baffling. The Commanders offense was statistically worse under Bienemy and reports are that he put too much on Howell's plate which is why he regressed. He may not even be given an offensive coordinator job. Back to KC is my guess. 1 Quote
billsbackto81 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 Is there a more over rated D coordinator? Fangio maybe? Quote
Maynard Posted February 1 Posted February 1 Bad move. Oh well, guess they had no one else left. Quote
Aussie Joe Posted February 1 Posted February 1 27 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: They should have hired Leslie. To do what? 12 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Is there a more over rated D coordinator? Fangio maybe? Fangio is better … although I agree over rated Quote
Mr. WEO Posted February 1 Posted February 1 lol Commanders.... 29 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Initially I didn't like the hire but now that I've had time to think about it, Quinn is legit. There's a strong 49er connection with Adam Peters. Also, Quinn led Atlanta to the Super Bowl with Kyle Shanahan as his OC (should have won). They have the most cap room in the league and the #2 pick in the draft. I can dig it. They lost that game because their D stunk, had stunk all year and had stunk for all but 1 of Quinn's years there. What is he good at? Quote
MJS Posted February 1 Posted February 1 Not surprised about Belichick. I'm a little surprised Vrabel didn't get a job. Quote
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 1 Posted February 1 (edited) For people wondering why there is so much love for a guy who has mediocre track record I have the answer. He's in the club. You hear this old coach and that old coach say he's a friend of mine. You hear it on the talk shows too. He's one of the boys. Doesn't mean he should get another opportunity to be a HC. At the end of the day its Washington, what do you expect? Edited February 1 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Quote
stuvian Posted February 1 Posted February 1 With the second overall pick, I'm sure the Commanders will turn their organizations around just like the Bears and Cardinals did. I will enjoy watching the Cowboys faceplant publicly without him next year. Quote
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