jahnyc Posted January 31 Posted January 31 I assume we now need new d-line, LB and QB coaches. Wonder if one of both of the guys we interviewed for DC (Desai and Caldwell) fill the available defensive assistant coach positions. 1 Quote
MrEpsYtown Posted January 31 Posted January 31 29 minutes ago, jahnyc said: I assume we now need new d-line, LB and QB coaches. Wonder if one of both of the guys we interviewed for DC (Desai and Caldwell) fill the available defensive assistant coach positions. Caldwell could be the new linebackers coach, unless he wants to go back to the Bucs. Quote
BillsFanSD Posted January 31 Posted January 31 I hope it works out, but our OC and DC hires both reek of "more of the same." I'm not convinced that that's the answer. 1 Quote
Bruffalo Posted January 31 Posted January 31 20 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: I hope it works out, but our OC and DC hires both reek of "more of the same." I'm not convinced that that's the answer. They're both young up and coming position coaches who have gotten a lot of interest from other teams. I'd rather have up and coming potential than Vic Fangio and Arthur Smith or McDaniels. "More of the Same" by the way is a top 5-8 team in the NFL. I know we're all sour about the way it ended again but there are 14 other teams who didn't best the Chiefs either. 2 Quote
Big Turk Posted January 31 Posted January 31 18 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: The organization did the right thing promoting both Brady & Babich. I honestly don't know alot about either gut other than a half year of playcalling from Joe. Continuity is important. But I think most fans will agree the regular season is not the problem. And the wild card round usually goes our way assuming we're not facing Joe or Patrick. But once the divisionals start, we all rightfully start freaking out. How do we stop these 2 guys? Babich helped have 3 All-Pros in Hyde, Poyer and Milano when he coached safety and LB...and also helped Bernard blossom into having one of the best all-around LB seasons since Seth Joyner in 1991. How will he do calling plays? No clue...but he clearly gets the most out of what he has 1 Quote
colin Posted January 31 Posted January 31 i dunno if im missing something here, but brady was OC in the nfl before, and babbich has been dc on two different teams before coming here. neither of these guys are rookies at their new job. i'd contrast this to the start of 2023, where dorsey really was a rookie OC, and our hc was also our DC. Quote
GunnerBill Posted January 31 Posted January 31 34 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: I hope it works out, but our OC and DC hires both reek of "more of the same." I'm not convinced that that's the answer. So I think there is something to the point that the Bills haven't gone "outside" for a coordinator hire since Heath Farwell in 2019. And while I am not saying external or internal is necessarily better or worse than the alternative 5 years is a long time to go without new perspectives. That said, Joe Brady has only been on staff here two years and in the time McDermott has been Bills Head Coach Brady has worked for the Saints, LSU and the Carolina Panthers. I also think that Babich and Brady are both deserving hires. Joe did a good job in difficult circumstances and Babich has been the most outstanding position coach on staff in the McDermott era at two spots. They are both young guys making their way and both I have no doubt have ambitions to be a Head Coach. So they are going to work their asses off to make that happen. A few years ago when we have McDermott, Daboll, Frazier we had arguably the most experienced core in the NFL in the top 3 jobs. We are younger there now, and the test for McDermott is to empower his young coordinators in their roles. But can we please hurry and fire Smiley? 1 minute ago, colin said: i dunno if im missing something here, but brady was OC in the nfl before, and babbich has been dc on two different teams before coming here. neither of these guys are rookies at their new job. i'd contrast this to the start of 2023, where dorsey really was a rookie OC, and our hc was also our DC. No he hasn't. That was his dad. Bob Babich. 2 Quote
BullBuchanan Posted January 31 Posted January 31 21 hours ago, Logic said: The Bills have consistently ranked in the top 10 and/or top 5 in DVOA and points scored since McDermott arrived. Babich has been a key cog in the coaching wheel the whole time. First he did great work with the safeties, as Hyde and Poyer both became All-Pro caliber players. Then he moved to linebacker, where Milano has developed into an All-Pro and Bernard just had an outstanding sophomore season. I understand ideological frustration with continuity, given that the Bills have yet to win a Super Bowl under McDermott. To complain about this specific move, though, seems like misplaced frustration. Babich is a good coach, as evidenced by his multiple interviews elsewhere, and this is a good hire. Be sure to remind us all of this after KC or Cincy's offense rolls our defense over in the playoffs next year. 1 Quote
colin Posted January 31 Posted January 31 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: So I think there is something to the point that the Bills haven't gone "outside" for a coordinator hire since Heath Farwell in 2019. And while I am not saying external or internal is necessarily better or worse than the alternative 5 years is a long time to go without new perspectives. That said, Joe Brady has only been on staff here two years and in the time McDermott has been Bills Head Coach Brady has worked for the Saints, LSU and the Carolina Panthers. I also think that Babich and Brady are both deserving hires. Joe did a good job in difficult circumstances and Babich has been the most outstanding position coach on staff in the McDermott era at two spots. They are both young guys making their way and both I have no doubt have ambitions to be a Head Coach. So they are going to work their asses off to make that happen. A few years ago when we have McDermott, Daboll, Frazier we had arguably the most experienced core in the NFL in the top 3 jobs. We are younger there now, and the test for McDermott is to empower his young coordinators in their roles. But can we please hurry and fire Smiley? No he hasn't. That was his dad. Bob Babich. lol, my bad! Quote
Logic Posted January 31 Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Be sure to remind us all of this after KC or Cincy's offense rolls our defense over in the playoffs next year. Sure. No problem. And likewise, if the Bills are great defensively in the playoffs next year and Babich turns out to have been a great hire, I trust you'll be here with bells on to eat crow? 2 2 Quote
BullBuchanan Posted January 31 Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Logic said: Sure. No problem. And likewise, if the Bills are great defensively in the playoffs next year and Babich turns out to have been a great hire, I trust you'll be here with bells on to eat crow? Absolutely. 99.99% sure that won't be happening though. 1 1 Quote
Augie Posted January 31 Posted January 31 21 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Absolutely. 99.99% sure that won't be happening though. THAT’S the spirit! 😋 Quote
hondo in seattle Posted January 31 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, BillsFanSD said: I hope it works out, but our OC and DC hires both reek of "more of the same." I'm not convinced that that's the answer. When you hire from within, I suppose it does reek of "more of the same." But I may be a little more open-minded than you. I would've hated for people to think that I'd be a clone of the guys who promoted me in my career. I never was. I don't expect these guys to be either. I think Brady might energize the offense. And I think he might not. I don't believe he was super impressive in his half-year tryout, but I do recognize that he was thrown into the fire with someone else's playbook and scheme. The players seem to like Brady, but they liked Dabs and Dorsey too. To sum up: who knows? As for Babich, I've heard nothing but good things about him. Of course, he'll be working within McDermott's scheme. And considering how we've ranked defensively and how we've been able to patch together a credible defense despite key injuries, that's not a bad thing. Does Babich have the drive and skills to help get the team over the playoff hump? We have no way of knowing. Quote
Mister Defense Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) Somewhat disappointed as McDermott did one of the best jobs I have ever seen coaching the defense this year. I wanted to see how dominant they could be when healthy next year. Hopefully he works very closely with Babich this off season and during the 2024 season, implementing much of the defensive philosophy that has made the Bills one of the best defenses over the last 5 years. 36 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Absolutely. 99.99% sure that won't be happening though. Wow, that is an extremely high percentage of certainty!! What facts or inside information do you have to back this up, specifically? Edited January 31 by Mister Defense Quote
DieHardFan Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) I N C E S T destroyed royalty, hope the Bills aren't going down the same path. Is McDermott so scared/set in his ways that he doesn't want fresh perspectives? Edited January 31 by DieHardFan Unnecessery Censorship 1 Quote
RkFast Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) 6 minutes ago, DieHardFan said: ***** destroyed royalty, hope the Bills aren't going down the same path. Is McDermott so scared/set in his ways that he doesn't want fresh perspectives? Bill Belichick was notorious for only keeping "his guys." The last two years of his tenure in NE aside, how did that work out? Edited January 31 by RkFast Quote
ngbills Posted January 31 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, BillsFanSD said: I hope it works out, but our OC and DC hires both reek of "more of the same." I'm not convinced that that's the answer. But the logic is always - the guys that were lower on the totem pole are always better than the guys on the top. Dorsey was better than Daboll. Brady is better than Dorsey. Babich is better than anyone else out there and assumed better than Frazier was. If we fired McD tomorrow and made Brady, Babich or whoever the head coach it would be celebrated as a great move and upgrade because they are up and comers and were clearly getting poached by another team so had to keep them. Quote
BullBuchanan Posted January 31 Posted January 31 10 minutes ago, Mister Defense said: Somewhat disappointed as McDermott did one of the best jobs I have ever seen coaching the defense this year. I wanted to see how dominant they could be when healthy next year. Hopefully he works very closely with Babich this off season and during the 2024 season, implementing much of the defensive philosophy that has made the Bills one of the best defenses over the last 5 years. Wow, that is an extremely high percentage of certainty!! What facts or inside information do you have to back this up, specifically? As a Buffalo Bills fan, I'm privy to some really exclusive information like watching what happens when you have a coaching and veteran talent pipeline that is extremely dependent on the franchise juggernaut that is the Carolina Panthers. I've watched how continuity of a mediocre staff has manifested in the same form of mediocrity and continued mistakes despite many, many attempts. Promoting from within is generally an indication that you want, and should expect more of the same. It's great thing when you have a history of success. When you have a history of falling well short of expectations, well, expect that to continue. These are company men towing the company line that owe their future to McDermott. I don't expect anything to change significantly and I don't expect them to improve significantly unless something crazy happens outside of their control, like Beane drafting a few rookies that play at an all-pro level. 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Sounds like someone that should be coaching linebackers. 4 2 Quote
Mister Defense Posted January 31 Posted January 31 2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: As a Buffalo Bills fan, I'm privy to some really exclusive information like watching what happens when you have a coaching and veteran talent pipeline that is extremely dependent on the franchise juggernaut that is the Carolina Panthers. I've watched how continuity of a mediocre staff has manifested in the same form of mediocrity and continued mistakes despite many, many attempts. Promoting from within is generally an indication that you want, and should expect more of the same. It's great thing when you have a history of success. When you have a history of falling well short of expectations, well, expect that to continue. These are company men towing the company line that owe their future to McDermott. I don't expect anything to change significantly and I don't expect them to improve significantly unless something crazy happens outside of their control, like Beane drafting a few rookies that play at an all-pro level. I agree with your positive assessment--I think they will improve slightly next year, just enough to get them over the hump.. 1 Quote
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