Ben Johnson Staying in Detroit

[Beast]

If the Bills make a coaching change and they turn to a guy that has no track record, and Josh in his mid-life as an NFL QB, I think that would be very risky.

Edited January 30 by Beast

[Matt_In_NH]

Glad NE did not even think to interview him.  They must really like Mayo.   I think it ends badly for them!

23 minutes ago, Einstein said:

This MUST be it.

And it's a ballsy move. This is the second year in a row he has done this.

Also possible Detroit is paying him good coin to continue where he is.  That stuff is not published so its anyones guess.

[CincyBillsFan]

3 hours ago, McBean said:

Him, BB, and Vrabel are still on the board.

 

Tell mclap Super Bowl next year or you’re fired immediately after the last game when the zeroes hit the clock.

Cowherd said something similar today on the news that Johnson was staying put.  Basically he identified a number of potential jobs next season where he could land with a great QB including Buffalo. 

14 minutes ago, Beast said:

If the Bills make a coaching change and they turn to a guy that has no track record, and Josh in his mid-life as an NFL QB, I think that would be very risky.

Sounds like this makes you nervous.  Allen plus Johnson could be DYNO-MITE!

 

Switching to an OC with a proven track record could unleash Allen who is at the top of his physical gifts while nearing his summit mentally. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

8 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Cowherd said something similar today on the news that Johnson was staying put.  Basically he identified a number of potential jobs next season where he could land with a great QB including Buffalo. 

Sounds like this makes you nervous.  Allen plus Johnson could be DYNO-MITE!

 

Switching to an OC with a proven track record could unleash Allen who is at the top of his physical gifts while nearing his summit mentally. 

We can always hope. End of next season is a long way off and many things can happen.......You never know, either he gets it done or he's out IMO.

[CincyBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

We can always hope. End of next season is a long way off and many things can happen.......You never know, either he gets it done or he's out IMO.

I would prefer that McD leads us to a Super Bowl and Johnson goes somewhere else.  But I just don't see McD getting over the hump and to waste Allen's best years with a defensive minded coach would be so sad.

 

 

[st pete gogolak]

If Reid retires after the SB, would Spags or EB be in line for HC?  Would Spags be po’d being passed over for a 30 something offensive guru?

[TheWeatherMan]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Thought he would end up with Washington. But one of the hottest names for HC is staying out.

Buffalo’s HC for 2024-2025! 

[Saint Doug]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

But he'd have the 2nd overall pick to get the QB and groom him.  Not to mention cover for several years as the team develops.  Oh and $83M in cap room.

Maybe he wanted to be the prominent voice of who that QB should be and the FO didn’t want to give that up. I wouldn’t blame him. I wouldn’t want to be connected to young QB I didn’t pick. Adam Peters is almost as young as Johnson. They’re both equally hungry and inexperienced in their would be jobs. Maybe not the best environment for a young, first time HC. 

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Maybe, after Caleb Williams, he doesn’t think much of the QBs left in the draft.

Just waiting to go coach Williams at Chicago next year.

 

[DapperCam]

3 hours ago, Low Positive said:

I went to the Commanders' board and there is a lot more to all of this. He told them this while the Commanders' owner and GM were on the plane en route to Detroit to interview him. This after last year essentially accepting the Panthers job and then deciding to stay in Detroit at the last second. This is not a good look for him. Albright is reporting that he is asking for $15 million per year.  FWIW, I feel for those fans. It reads like a drought-ear coaching search thread around here.

 

https://es.redskins.com/topic/453428-moving-towards-our-future-front-office-and-coaching-hires-all-the-way-to-the-water-boy-adam-peters-hired-as-gm/page/323/

I think other management groups know that the Commanders and Panthers are a hot mess. I don’t think they will hold it against him.

Edited January 30 by DapperCam

[Beast]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

 

Switching to an OC with a proven track record could unleash Allen who is at the top of his physical gifts while nearing his summit mentally. 

You know whose offense scored zero points Sunday while watching the 49ers racked up 27 straight and salt the game away?

[SirAndrew]

I think Ben Johnson is making a wise move that too few coaches make, but he’s certainly betting on himself. It’s possible that he reached his peak value this offseason.  Waiting for the right opportunity makes sense for long term success, but an OC’s value can go down in a hurry as well. 

[zevo]

Couple times the camera caught him being, in my opinion, an ####### on the sidelines to other staff I could only assume. Not really sure what transpired and I could be totally wrong in my interpretation of him. 🤷🏻

16 minutes ago, Beast said:

You know whose offense scored zero points Sunday while watching the 49ers racked up 27 straight and salt the game away?

I agree with you here. This dudes hype machine is strong. Not sure it’s warranted but we won’t know until he becomes a head coach. 

[LABILLBACKER]

7 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

There is a world where Bills could have multiple top 5 OCs to choose from next year if they don’t bring a trophy home and part ways with McD.

I'm excited that Ben Johnson will be available next year after Sean does what he does best.  I'm super disappointed this ownership didn't identify issues dating back to 13 seconds.  I've never seen a coach get so many chances. I guess I can wait one more year?

53 minutes ago, Beast said:

You know whose offense scored zero points Sunday while watching the 49ers racked up 27 straight and salt the game away?

Yeah 31 points (should've been 34) against a top defense like the niners is a terrible accomplishment.  

[Man with No Name]

13 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

He will be hired in Kansas City after they win the Superbowl and Reid retires 

what's with all the speculation on reid retiring. that guy is gonna die 6 months after he steps down, right? 

6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm excited that Ben Johnson will be available next year after Sean does what he does best.  I'm super disappointed this ownership didn't identify issues dating back to 13 seconds.  I've never seen a coach get so many chances. I guess I can wait one more year?

Yeah 31 points (should've been 34) against a top defense like the niners is a terrible accomplishment.  

i would replace mcd with a ben johnson or harbaugh for sure, but the list isn't long. if you're gonna start that search, you better be sure they are going to say yes.  and how many teams have fired a guy with McDermott's record. 70% or whatever in the regular season and 500 in the playoffs. We all think it should be better, but realistically, how many are getting fired with that track record? 

[machine gun kelly]

Well, I understand him wanting another year as an OC as who would want to go to Washington?  If McD underperforms next year (I hope he doesn’t), it would time to move on.  If we can land Johnson as our HC, that would be a real change to an offensive minded HC.  That would be nice.

 

What offensive minded HC wouldn’t want to pursue securing Allen as his QB.

Edited January 31 by machine gun kelly

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

If McD underperforms next year

 

It depends what underperforms means doesn't it? And that is kind of where I think the McDermott conversation is stuck. Is not reaching a Superbowl underperforming? Is not reaching a second AFCCG underperforming? In a vacuum, sure, you can argue with Josh Allen it is. But then in context is losing playoff games that come down to one or two plays to Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid underperforming? I'm always going to struggle to get myself there. 

 

The clear examples of underperformance would be:

1) missing the playoffs - and I was clear that if he missed the playoffs this year I'd have fired him. When it looked like that was the likely outcome I was fine if the Bills wanted to move on. 

2) losing a playoff game to a non-elite / top end Quarterback. If they were to lose in the playoffs to a team where they had a clear Quarterback advantage with Josh then I think you say "okay, that is failure."

 

There is then the cumulative effect. And that is where a lot of fans are, with a gut feeling that we will just always be close with no cigar under McDermott and eventually you have to give someone else a go. I understand that line of thinking. I just struggle to get myself there, but maybe with another year of losing in the playoffs I'd feel different. 

 

I like Ben Johnson, I do. I don't think he is the offensive whizz kid some make out but that makes me like him more. I think he is a coach that knows who he has on offense, knows what they can do and knows what they can't and he really leans into it. There isn't anything revolutionary about the Lions offense it just knows what it is and they execute it effectively and put their players in the best position to make plays. That is the kind of awareness that makes me think he has a future as a Head Coach in this league much more so than being a whizz kid who is gonna try and impose his scheme on everyone he comes across. He worked under Philbin (who was a WCO - spread variant guy) and Gase (who was a modified E-P guy) in Miami so he definitely has some experience in both of the two pre-eminent offensive systems in the NFL right now. I'd be interested in having him as the Bills Head Coach (and de-facto OC), but I am not sure I'm at "my word we MUST have this guy, fire everyone to get him."

[machine gun kelly]

GB, Imnot excited about the idea of firing McD, but we need to coach better in the playoffs.  We keep getting outcoached in critical games.  We should’ve beat the Chiefs.  We would’ve had a real shot against the Ravens as McD has always had a solid plan against Lamar.

[GunnerBill]

31 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

GB, Imnot excited about the idea of firing McD, but we need to coach better in the playoffs.  We keep getting outcoached in critical games.  We should’ve beat the Chiefs.  We would’ve had a real shot against the Ravens as McD has always had a solid plan against Lamar.

 

We should have beat the Chiefs. And there are reasons we didn't. But it wasn't coaching that failed us right at the end with the game on the line. It was pure execution. 

[DCofNC]

19 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Probably smart, though I thought that Washington job was a pretty good one. 

That team just gave up all their talent and has nothing set at QB, what’s good? A new owner who’s proven to be ruthless in pursuit of winning?  Yeah, not where I’m starting my HC career if I have a choice.