Core concepts of Joe Brady's offense

[Eastport bills]

4 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Many of us have asked "what is HIS offense"  I found an article on the Atlantic that breaks down what Joe's concepts are for his offense. I like how there are option routes underneath which we have been lacking and Kurt Warner even said was missing from our offense.  From what all I have read on various articles, Joe's offense needs speed. Diggs still has enough, Shakir has plenty, but we need another really good WR to compete for a top slot, and better depth.  Kincaid should thrive in this offense.https://theathletic.com/1606403/2020/02/20/teds-film-room-core-concepts-from-lsu-that-oc-joe-brady-may-use-in-carolina/

I thought his offense was unpredictable and hard to defend. A big time #2 stretch the field receiver would create unstoppable crossing patterns, open running lanes for Josh and lighter boxes for Cook. I’m excited for Brady 2nd iteration. I think Josh is too.

[SoCal Deek]

I’ve generally been of the mindset that the coach better be able to adapt ‘his’ offense to the talent he has on the roster. And I REALLY hope we don’t get distracted by some supposed deep threat guy. This is not Al Davis’ old NFL. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’ve generally been of the mindset that the coach better be able to adapt ‘his’ offense to the talent he has on the roster. And I REALLY hope we don’t get distracted by some supposed deep threat guy. This is not Al Davis’ old NFL. 

We don't have  speed or pass catchers outside of Kincaid, Shakir or Cook. Diggs is a big ? At this time.  We need WR badly.

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

We don't have  speed or pass catchers outside of Kincaid, Shakir or Cook. Diggs is a big ? At this time.  We need WR badly.

Yes we do. But I pray to God we don’t go after some speed dude with concrete for hands! 

[Mr. WEO]

6 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Many of us have asked "what is HIS offense"  

 

 

Josh Allen.

[GunnerBill]

Compared to Ken Dorsey, it is going to be more motion, more use of choice routes inside to gain leverage and a bit more empty in the pass game. 

 

Now Brandon Beane needs to give him the pieces to make it happen. 

[SoCal Deek]

29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Compared to Ken Dorsey, it is going to be more motion, more use of choice routes inside to gain leverage and a bit more empty in the pass game. 

 

Now Brandon Beane needs to give him the pieces to make it happen. 

Gunner….And what pieces (plural) would those be? Josh has everything he needs with the exception of a WR2 and the possible resigning of his RB2. His OLine, TE, WR1, Slot WR, and RB1 are all cast in stone for 2024. .

[Dick_Cheney]

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If you punch the direct link from the Athletic into 12ft.io, you can see the whole thing.

Edited January 31 by Dick_Cheney

[SirAndrew]

51 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yes we do. But I pray to God we don’t go after some speed dude with concrete for hands! 

I mentioned this fear when Beane discussed speed at his presser. I hope they understand some of the best receivers are guys who had poor forty times. Getting open and catching the ball isn’t all about speed. Josh Allen needs a security blanket who can also make plays. Cook could have been that guy, but he has stone hands so far. 

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I noticed Brady's offense at LSU had a lot of Sean Paytons route combos on it. Payton runs a version of the Air coryell offense.

 

Interesting.  As I understand things, the West Coast offense that's so common today is Bill Walsh's modification of Air Coryell but prioritizing shorter, higher-percentage throws.   As I recall, Coryell taught his QBs to look deep first and then underneath.   Walsh wanted to methodically drive down the field with precise execution.  Coryell preferred chunk plays: lower percentage but bigger gains.     

 

A modernized version of Air Coryell would be a good fit, I think, for Josh's arm talent.  

[Snappysnackcakes]

4 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

You might be right but let me make some observations before asking you something.  

 

There are two basic offensive systems in the NFL: Erhardt-Perkins and West Coast.  I've heard coaches and players say all NFL teams run, more-or-less, the same plays.  So there are two basic playbooks: E-P and West Coast.  And there's a lot of overlap between the two. 

 

Coordinators tweak and combine ideas as they feel appropriate to create their own syncretic scheme.  But no coordinator is filling a playbook with plays no one has seen before based on an offensive strategy no one has considered before.    

 

When Kurt Warner, for example, diagnoses Bills film, he knows & understands the play he's reviewing because he ran the same play (or one very similar) when he played.  He knows what it's designed to do and how it's supposed to be executed.  

 

So what is Brady's real offense?  What is he going to do schematically different next year that he couldn't do this year?  What plays will he use that weren't in this year's playbook?  

 

You understand professional football. Great post. It’s all about exploiting mismatches, usually ones that are created by an effective coach. It sounds too simple, yes, but it really boils down to this. I liken it to British Fighting Squares when it’s boiled down to its simplest form. Basically, win your matchup when able or consolidate onto the next opponent. This concept is especially important when you judge an offensive line as a unit. 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

We don't have  speed or pass catchers outside of Kincaid, Shakir or Cook. Diggs is a big ? At this time.  We need WR badly.

And Cook needs to work on catching the ball.  By my count he dropped FOUR easy TD passes.  If he can fix this problem he will be a force in the passing game to.

 

 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’ve generally been of the mindset that the coach better be able to adapt ‘his’ offense to the talent he has on the roster. And I REALLY hope we don’t get distracted by some supposed deep threat guy. This is not Al Davis’ old NFL. 

Well yes we need a deep threat guy but maybe not for the reason you think?

 

In my mind the defenses have been bracket covering Diggs and then trying to force Josh to dink and dunk interspersed with blitzes. Yes, the field opened to Cook, Knox and Kincaid but you need to constantly keep those clicking and they rarely are chunk plays. A deep threat on the outside would in theory mean that gaps open up in coverage for Diggs to exploit along with improving YAC for Cook and Kincaid.

 

Is there a reason you don't want a deep threat? 

[The Jokeman]

5 hours ago, appoo said:

He really wasn't. Teams can easily scheme away explosives when you have exactly 1 downfield threat. You want to bust 2 high looks, have 2 dudes who can hurt you deep. When Davis was at his best, he had Emmanuel Sanders (who even in 2021 was a 4.3 40 type legit downfield dude) and a faster and more dangerous Stefon Diggs.  That helped unlock Davis in that playoff game in a huge way. 

 

I really wish the Bills could afford to re-sign Davis. Because I'd love to pair him with someone like Xavier Worthy who can take the top off. 

 

Ideally you could do something like this:

 

Deep Option 1: Davis

Deep Option 2: Worthy

Intermediate/Underneath: Diggs & Shakir

Intermediate/Underneath: Kincaid/Knox

 

And mix and match as you go. 

I appreciate Davis for what he is but you have to think a team in need of WR help (see Carolina or Indy) could give him a healthy raise. We could replace him with someone like Noah Brown who is similar athletically and size wise but cost less.  Or you can see if DJ Chark or Josh Reynolds or Nick Westbrook-Ikhine can be added as a 4th WR and might do more with a QB like Josh. 

41 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Well yes we need a deep threat guy but maybe not for the reason you think?

 

In my mind the defenses have been bracket covering Diggs and then trying to force Josh to dink and dunk interspersed with blitzes. Yes, the field opened to Cook, Knox and Kincaid but you need to constantly keep those clicking and they rarely are chunk plays. A deep threat on the outside would in theory mean that gaps open up in coverage for Diggs to exploit along with improving YAC for Cook and Kincaid.

 

Is there a reason you don't want a deep threat? 

My worry is a deep threat could cause Josh to go into gun slinger mode. 

[Solomon Grundy]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Interesting (to me at least) enough, CEH is scheduled to be a FA, should command a "Damien Harris" type contract by my count and was running well late in the year. And we could use another back to pair with Cook. 🤔

What's wrong with Ty Johnson? 

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

What's wrong with Ty Johnson? 

Nothings wrong with him. Had a nice performance this year. Takes 2 sides to make a deal so who knows if he's back. 

 

Buffalo also kept 3 RBs this year. So even if Johnson's back there's room. I don't expect Murray back. Evans is a JAG. And Hines is coming off major injury.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

 

My worry is a deep threat could cause Josh to go into gun slinger mode. 

I mean yes, but at some point a deep sideline throw has to be a threat. Otherwise defenses compress their coverage. 

[The Jokeman]

Just now, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

I mean yes, but at some point a deep sideline throw has to be a threat. Otherwise defenses compress their coverage. 

Valid point but Diggs still has wheels and admit eyeing Troy Franklin in the draft. 

[appoo]

9 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

I appreciate Davis for what he is but you have to think a team in need of WR help (see Carolina or Indy) could give him a healthy raise. We could replace him with someone like Noah Brown who is similar athletically and size wise but cost less.  Or you can see if DJ Chark or Josh Reynolds or Nick Westbrook-Ikhine can be added as a 4th WR and might do more with a QB like Josh. 

My worry is a deep threat could cause Josh to go into gun slinger mode. 

I’d rather have Gabe over any of those guys. He’s pretty underrated right now because of the struggles of the Bills WRs in general, and because he’s a specialist.

 

Thing is he’s got the tools to be a top 5 downfield WR. It’s not a speed thing. It’s body control, eyes, hands and instinct. 
 

But all of that means the Bills probably can’t afford him. 

[Joe Ferguson]

Can't afford to read the article.

Edited January 31 by Joe Ferguson