So we're moving on from Harbaugh right?

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think their initial gameplan was average to be honest. The Bills had a better plan. They made great adjustments, no question, and I wouldn't say Harbaugh was the reason they lost at all. But I felt like they were outcoached in that first half. Even take the turnovers away they had too many negative plays on offense and really invited the Bills to run on defense despite watching them maul the Broncos on the ground. They fixed it up at half time, but in the first half they lost the strategy battle.

 

If you want to say our coaches won the 1st half and theirs won the 2nd half, that's more than fair. 

[DJB]

The biggest error Harbaugh made was going for that early 2 point conversion. It was so confusing as it was early in the game 

 

Cost the Ravens as well since they once again had to go for two late to tie the game . 
 

It was a critical error 

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

All I'm saying is be consistent.  If McD needs to go for his failures so does Harbaugh and Tomlin for that matter.

 

Firing any of those guys should land you in the dumb bucket.

[Buffalo716]

Harbaugh is a good coach but he's been riding the coattails of one hot super bowl run for a long time.

 

I've been adamant even on these boards Sean McDermott is a better coach

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

If you want to say our coaches won the 1st half and theirs won the 2nd half, that's more than fair. 

 

That is exactly what I'd say.

[Chaos]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I had exactly zero confidence that FG was taking us to OT. Zero. In my mind that game ended on the Hamlin fake punt and everything that came after was a gag gift.

 

I don't want to re-litigate previous playoff losses thought. For this year I think McDermott has done a great job in the playoffs. No unforced coaching errors like we've seen in the past. The players are as focused and ready as ever. Tell Brady to knock it off with whatever he was doing yesterday and let's go win this thing.

Not challenging the spot on 3rd and goal was nearly a fatal coaching blunder.  

[FireChans]

18 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I had exactly zero confidence that FG was taking us to OT. Zero. In my mind that game ended on the Hamlin fake punt and everything that came after was a gag gift.

 

I don't want to re-litigate previous playoff losses thought. For this year I think McDermott has done a great job in the playoffs. No unforced coaching errors like we've seen in the past. The players are as focused and ready as ever. Tell Brady to knock it off with whatever he was doing yesterday and let's go win this thing.

Of course we don’t wanna relitigate Harbaugh and co panicking and forgetting to run the football in the AFCCG last year lol

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

19 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

The weird thing is Lamar has played some of the cleanest QB play in the entire league the past two years. But then he gets past the wildcard and makes mistakes. If it was like the Dorsey/Allen days where mistakes were the identity of our offense then I would agree coaching needs an upgrade, but since these issues only pop up for them at a very specific time of year I don't know how you blame coaching. Lamar just has to make it a point to not be the reason they lose in January. It's a stigma that's only going to get worse.

I don’t think it’s too odd…late playoffs are the time where the opposing coach is probably going to deviate the most from what their defense has been known for up to that point.  Seems like if Lamar gets exactly what they have been preparing for he’s absolutely unstoppable but the falloff is stronger than it is for the other top qbs if he’s gotta grind it out against something he isn’t really expecting 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

On 1/28/2024 at 10:14 PM, section122 said:

If you want McD gone you have to think that Harbaugh needs to go too right?

 

After all no hc qb combo has won a sb after 5 years together.

 

After all he is 1-2 as the 1 seed since 2019.

 

After all he is 2-4 in the postseason since 2018. 

 

After all he has only made it to 1 afc championship with one of the most electric qbs in the game.

 

After all he has a 2 time mvp qb and has only won 1 division title in the last 4 years.

 

After all he has lost to a washed up philip rivers and ryan tannehil in the playoffs!

 

After all he has a 1-3 playoff record at home since 2018.

 

So if you wamt McD gone for underperforming and losing to the chiefs 3 of 4 years certainly you think Harbaugh is trash and needs to go to right? 

 

The Bills and McD have outperformed them over the last 6 years and the Ravens have the benefit of the mvp and 3 first team all pros this year vs the Bills single 2nd team all pro yet still lost to the same team at home as the Bills did.

 

Or does a super bowl 11 years ago followed by a single afc title game appearance this year carry that much water? 

 

Recent history and performance clearly favors McD so I am very interested to hear opinions of Harbaugh and whether he should keep his job or be fired.

 

The line forms behind Tomlin if you ask me.  Heard Taylor and McDaniel's were asking for directions to the line

[section122]

33 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

2 out of 3 are Super Bowl Champs.

 

So is Mike McCarthy how do you feel about him?  McCarthy even won his against Tomlin and more recently than him.  

 

Can I add Doug Pederson to the list as well?

 

I promise this thread is in jest but aims to point out the double standard that exists here between the opinion of McD and the other HCs. 

 

I think @GunnerBill and I have been in alignment on this for a few years now.  The margin is so razor thin and only one team gets to win.  @FireChans and I discussed the narratives that are created from playoff losses that may or may not be fair (mostly not fair).  It is a single elimination tournament featuring the best teams and the best qbs.  Just this playoff alone McD has gone against and beat 2 super bowl winning HCs.  The 2 teams had 5 and 6 All Pros on their teams.  The Chiefs have a multiple time SB HC winner and 4 more All Pros.

[T master]

On 1/28/2024 at 9:19 PM, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Would Sean McDermott have purposely had his player take a penalty at the end of the game when it was first and five, in order to re set the downs and allow his two time outs left to be used to it's fullest extent?

 

The answer is no 

 

Harbaugh is the best coach in the NFL currently 

 

You may have a point in this last game BUT McD learns from every situation he;s in an i believe like you he saw what Harbaugh did and if the same situation comes up with the Bills moving forward he;s not going to forget what Harbaugh did .

 

Everybody is so quick to throw one of the best coaches or at the very least top 10 HC's in the entire NFL to the curb and always call him out for a mistake while learning to be a great HC and never like the national media with the Bills giving him his come uppins when he does do something better .

 

I for one will ride with him as long as he wants to be a Buffalo Bill . GO BILLS !!! 

 

And if Harbaugh was here in B/lo as a HC he would be in as much crap even with a SB win under his belt as McD has been in the past .

Edited 12 hours ago by T master

[HappyDays]

34 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Not challenging the spot on 3rd and goal was nearly a fatal coaching blunder.  

 

Meh those spot challenges have minimal chance of being won and I thought saving the TO for a potential game winning FG drive was a lot more important.

 

Now I have plenty of criticism for Brady in this game, including that 3rd down play call. McDermott ultimately owns his OC's mistakes so I'm not letting him off the hook for that. But as far as the normal head coach game management stuff I thought he was excellent.

 

Edited 12 hours ago by HappyDays

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

including that 3rd down play call. McDermott ultimately owns his OC's mistakes so I'm not letting him off the hook for that. But as far as the normal head coach game management stuff I thought he was excellent.

Reasonable point on saving the time out (although I disagree, we should have been focused on ending the game on that drive).  I am not sure McDermott did not have input on that third down play. 

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

So is Mike McCarthy how do you feel about him?  McCarthy even won his against Tomlin and more recently than him.  

 

Can I add Doug Pederson to the list as well?

 

I promise this thread is in jest but aims to point out the double standard that exists here between the opinion of McD and the other HCs. 

 

I think @GunnerBill and I have been in alignment on this for a few years now.  The margin is so razor thin and only one team gets to win.  @FireChans and I discussed the narratives that are created from playoff losses that may or may not be fair (mostly not fair).  It is a single elimination tournament featuring the best teams and the best qbs.  Just this playoff alone McD has gone against and beat 2 super bowl winning HCs.  The 2 teams had 5 and 6 All Pros on their teams.  The Chiefs have a multiple time SB HC winner and 4 more All Pros.

 

I dont think McCarthy is great, but he was given another 9 years after his SB win. So yeah, I think he got the looooong leash from his SB win I mentioned earlier. Green Bay also had to deal with Rodgers and thats a big reason why they moved on from Mike.

 

Once McD wins one I'm fine if Terry wants to hand him a lifetime contract and a blank check.

 

 

[NoSaint]

On 1/28/2024 at 9:14 PM, section122 said:

If you want McD gone you have to think that Harbaugh needs to go too right?

 

After all no hc qb combo has won a sb after 5 years together.

 

After all he is 1-2 as the 1 seed since 2019.

 

After all he is 2-4 in the postseason since 2018. 

 

After all he has only made it to 1 afc championship with one of the most electric qbs in the game.

 

After all he has a 2 time mvp qb and has only won 1 division title in the last 4 years.

 

After all he has lost to a washed up philip rivers and ryan tannehil in the playoffs!

 

After all he has a 1-3 playoff record at home since 2018.

 

So if you wamt McD gone for underperforming and losing to the chiefs 3 of 4 years certainly you think Harbaugh is trash and needs to go to right? 

 

The Bills and McD have outperformed them over the last 6 years and the Ravens have the benefit of the mvp and 3 first team all pros this year vs the Bills single 2nd team all pro yet still lost to the same team at home as the Bills did.

 

Or does a super bowl 11 years ago followed by a single afc title game appearance this year carry that much water? 

 

Recent history and performance clearly favors McD so I am very interested to hear opinions of Harbaugh and whether he should keep his job or be fired.

I bet there are rumblings just as there were with Sean Payton towards the end of his tenure. 
 

a ring gives you a ton of credibility but not forever. 

[PBF81]

On 1/28/2024 at 10:16 PM, HappyDays said:

Allen >>>>> Jackson

 

End of thread.

 

Especially in the playoffs where there's almost no comparison.  

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by PBF81

[NoSaint]

12 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

So is Mike McCarthy how do you feel about him?  McCarthy even won his against Tomlin and more recently than him.  

 

Can I add Doug Pederson to the list as well?

 

I promise this thread is in jest but aims to point out the double standard that exists here between the opinion of McD and the other HCs. 

 

I think @GunnerBill and I have been in alignment on this for a few years now.  The margin is so razor thin and only one team gets to win.  @FireChans and I discussed the narratives that are created from playoff losses that may or may not be fair (mostly not fair).  It is a single elimination tournament featuring the best teams and the best qbs.  Just this playoff alone McD has gone against and beat 2 super bowl winning HCs.  The 2 teams had 5 and 6 All Pros on their teams.  The Chiefs have a multiple time SB HC winner and 4 more All Pros.

At some point you just have to get it done though. And particularly you can’t be the reason the team didn’t get there by blowing a big moment
 

So far so good this year.

[section122]

btw it seems some people have missed but I actually started this thread last year after their AFCCG loss.

[Big Turk]

His QB is a playoff choker, hard to win when your best player plays his worst game of the year every year when it matters the most.

[peterpan]

It’s all so QB dependent. Baltimore has the supporting cast, that Allen really just hasn’t had. Mahomes and burrow have had that cast too.  
 

Lamar is really good but his arm is the limitation.  He can’t get past Mahomes or Allen because he is inferior to those two.