So we're moving on from Harbaugh right?

[Don Otreply]

Oh yeah! Well my dad can kick your dads asz! 

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Two awful plays by Lamar had nothing to do with the gameplan. They didn't punt once! Lamar has to stop choking in these games.

 

It was all Playoff Lamar. Nothing the coaches could do to change it.

 

Tried to do too much. Fumbled the game away.

[dpberr]

Steve Biscotti will never fire John Harbaugh. Harbaugh will be in Baltimore until he doesn't want to be.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Harbaugh needs his QB to stop choking in these games. That's been their biggest problem over the years in getting over the hump. Look at the AFCCG last year, Baltimore shuts down KC's offense in the 2nd half but Lamar throws an inexplicable pass into triple coverage that is easily intercepted. If Allen was doing that kind of crap in playoff games the heat would be off McDermott somewhat, but since he instead consistently raises his play in the playoffs it actually raises the pressure on the coaching staff.

 

Also Harbaugh has the Super Bowl victory to lean on. I've said on here and I'll stand by it - if we get 1 Super Bowl win with McDermott, I will not even raise the idea of firing him ever again. For yesterday I give McDermott a lot of credit in managing the game well and I don't have any criticism for him today. And I won't argue for him to be fired this offseason no matter what happens next week. He's earned that by taking the team further than anybody expected.

If Allen was doing that stuff I respectfully don’t think the heat would be off mcd/brady at all based on some of the posts I read on here often and nor should it be really

a lot of people complain about it as too conservative or whatever but reducing turnovers was a core focus of our offensive philosophy this year from a coaching/playcalling level all the way down to a player level. A qb out there consistently torpedoing his teams playoff run by taking crazy risks has to reflect on the coach at some point and I think we’re at that point with Baltimore.

 

 Lamar seems to get flustered when a defense throws something unexpected together and a lot of times regular season teams just run what they’re good at without varying too much but these better coaches in the playoffs can throw anything at you.  I think they’re failing from a coaching perspective quite a bit 

[The Jokeman]

On 1/28/2024 at 10:28 PM, Beck Water said:

 

A 2x league mvp should mean something re: qb quality , I think is OPs point

Listen to talking heads and it seems a foregone conclusion 3x MVP.

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

It was all Playoff Lamar. Nothing the coaches could do to change it.

 

Tried to do too much. Fumbled the game away.

 

Him and Andrews both. Two of the most important players on the team made multiple backbreaking mistakes that had nothing to do with coaching. Fittingly those two combined to make a game sealing mistake on what was effectively the final play of the game. If people want to compare that to some of the awful playoff losses we've had under McDermott over the years, have at it. I don't need to stretch the truth - McDermott and Harbaugh were both excellent in their roles yesterday. Ultimately one side's players made mistakes and the others didn't, and that decided the result.

[Billsfanatic8989]

The difference is Allen has been great while the D has been bad in postseason losses. That's on McD and why Sunday is the biggest game of his life. 

 

Why do the Bills keep beating them in the regular season. Yet, losing in the postseason? It has to be coaching and defense. Does the pressure get to McD? 

 

Harbaugh has his moments. But his QB is the one turning it over. He can't help it if his TE drops and fumbles balls.

 

 

Edited Monday at 09:01 PM by Billsfanatic8989

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Swap QBs and the Ravens are multiple SB winners.

 

Harbaugh has won a SuperBowl. If Lee Evans doesn't drop a pass they make it to another SB. 

 

McDermott hasn't even won a Championship yet.  Someone said does Harbaugh bear any blame for repeated failures in the playoffs?  Well how does that not apply to McDermott as well?

It does…I think that was the original whole point of this thread lol people would consistently talk up Harbaugh while sh*tting on mcd for experiencing a lot of the same stuff back when this was originally posted.  I don’t think anyone has a problem with people being anti both guys 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 1/28/2024 at 10:16 PM, Einstein said:

If I was a Ravens fan, I’d be about at my wits end with Harbaugh.

 

And Lamar.

 

But winning 1 ring does give you a super long leash.

I disagree. If McDermott brings a championship to Buffalo then he could follow it up w/ 5 losing seasons and still have a job. 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Him and Andrews both. Two of the most important players on the team made multiple backbreaking mistakes that had nothing to do with coaching. Fittingly those two combined to make a game sealing mistake on what was effectively the final play of the game. If people want to compare that to some of the awful playoff losses we've had under McDermott over the years, have at it. I don't need to stretch the truth - McDermott and Harbaugh were both excellent in their roles yesterday. Ultimately one side's players made mistakes and the others didn't, and that decided the result.

The Bills lost on a missed FG by their shaky kicker last year lol.

 

I guess McD coached Bass to shank it.

 

I’m not even a McD guy but god the Harbaugh slobber is annoying. 

[Rochesterfan]

21 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

What coaching errors are we pointing to from yesterday? Or in any of these playoff losses? The Ravens honestly should have controlled the game against because of a good gameplan and great 2nd half adjustments. But Harbaugh can't control for his QB and best pass catcher making multiple unforced errors.

 
 

He chased points all game failing on multiple 2 pt conversions.  
 

He allowed the Ravens in critical situations to go away from Henry and try to score via the pass - see the 2pt plays and the FG drive. 
 

It is not totally on Harbaugh - just as it is rarely on McD, but the buck stops with the coach and he didn’t do enough to put them in position to win and the players couldn’t pull it through.

 

It was 2 very evenly matched teams and one forced the other into several mistakes and that is without people acknowledging the 3rd fumble caused by Cam Lewis on the last drive that lucky for Baltimore happened to fall into the WR hands on the ground or the Bills force a 4th TO.

 

The Bills were obviously coached up this week especially with the weather to attack the ball and it worked.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

31 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Harbaugh did a pretty weak job coaching yesterday.  And can't advance further than the divisional round with a supposed 3 time MVP.  At some point something has got to give. 

 

You don't fire a coach as good as John Harbaugh. It would be utter lunacy.

[Billsfanatic8989]

1 minute ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I disagree. If McDermott brings a championship to Buffalo then he could follow it up w/ 5 losing seasons and still have a job. 

Well...no imo.

 

If the Bills get one ring, the goal should be two. There are plenty of one off SB winners who get forgotten. Multiple SB winning teams are remembered most. 

 

So if he was having 3-14 level years, he would likely be gone. 

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

A qb out there consistently torpedoing his teams playoff run by taking crazy risks has to reflect on the coach at some point and I think we’re at that point with Baltimore.

 

The weird thing is Lamar has played some of the cleanest QB play in the entire league the past two years. But then he gets past the wildcard and makes mistakes. If it was like the Dorsey/Allen days where mistakes were the identity of our offense then I would agree coaching needs an upgrade, but since these issues only pop up for them at a very specific time of year I don't know how you blame coaching. Lamar just has to make it a point to not be the reason they lose in January. It's a stigma that's only going to get worse.

[section122]

12 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Swap QBs and the Ravens are multiple SB winners.

 

Harbaugh has won a SuperBowl. If Lee Evans doesn't drop a pass they make it to another SB. 

 

McDermott hasn't even won a Championship yet.  Someone said does Harbaugh bear any blame for repeated failures in the playoffs?  Well how does that not apply to McDermott as well?

 

You are doing exactly what I am pointing out right here.  In that Lee Evans game, the Ravens missed a fg that would have tied the game.  Harbaugh didn't take a time out so his kicker had to run out on the field and rush his kick because there was confusion about what down it was.  

 

All I'm saying is be consistent.  If McD needs to go for his failures so does Harbaugh and Tomlin for that matter.

[DrDawkinstein]

32 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Harbaugh did a pretty weak job coaching yesterday.  And can't advance further than the divisional round with a supposed 3 time MVP.  At some point something has got to give. 

 

There is a reason why the Playoff Lamar memes existed before today, and why they are setting the internet on absolute FIRE today.

 

With the Ravens, it isnt directly on coaching. It's on the QB who turns the ball over and falls apart in the playoffs.

Just now, section122 said:

 

All I'm saying is be consistent.  If McD needs to go for his failures so does Harbaugh and Tomlin for that matter.

 

2 out of 3 are Super Bowl Champs.

[GunnerBill]

30 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

What coaching errors are we pointing to from yesterday? Or in any of these playoff losses? The Ravens honestly should have controlled the game against because of a good gameplan and great 2nd half adjustments. But Harbaugh can't control for his QB and best pass catcher making multiple unforced errors.

 

I think their initial gameplan was average to be honest. The Bills had a better plan. They made great adjustments, no question, and I wouldn't say Harbaugh was the reason they lost at all. But I felt like they were outcoached in that first half. Even take the turnovers away they had too many negative plays on offense and really invited the Bills to run on defense despite watching them maul the Broncos on the ground. They fixed it up at half time, but in the first half they lost the strategy battle.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Him and Andrews both. Two of the most important players on the team made multiple backbreaking mistakes that had nothing to do with coaching. Fittingly those two combined to make a game sealing mistake on what was effectively the final play of the game. If people want to compare that to some of the awful playoff losses we've had under McDermott over the years, have at it. I don't need to stretch the truth - McDermott and Harbaugh were both excellent in their roles yesterday. Ultimately one side's players made mistakes and the others didn't, and that decided the result.

Lamar looked completely unprepared for the bills to not be running nickel all game which was a huge contributing factor in his two turnovers…took them far too long to figure it out..  coaching played a huge role imo and often does when Lamar has a bad game 

 

they were just forcing Henry into a brick wall and putting Lamar in obvious passing situations really often early and Milano did a really nice job spying him outside of one play where Lamar ran right through him somehow lol. Seemed like they wised up a bit and brought in justice hill who gave them an outlet in the passing game and brought Henry back in when the defense wore out a bit but it was just too late 

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The Bills lost on a missed FG by their shaky kicker last year lol.

 

I had exactly zero confidence that FG was taking us to OT. Zero. In my mind that game ended on the Hamlin fake punt and everything that came after was a gag gift.

 

I don't want to re-litigate previous playoff losses thought. For this year I think McDermott has done a great job in the playoffs. No unforced coaching errors like we've seen in the past. The players are as focused and ready as ever. Tell Brady to knock it off with whatever he was doing yesterday and let's go win this thing.

[GunnerBill]

45 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

I saw a Ravens fan reaction video today and his question was simple: What on Earth can we do from a roster perspective that leads to a different result?

 

They have a 2 time, likely 3 time MVP under center (leaving aside whether those are deserved). They have a HoF running back and an All Pro Fullback. They have a Pro Bowl WR1 and TE1s. They have 2 more All Pros on defense. If the coaching staff can't get to the Conference Finals with that roster, what else can they do? Ownership might decide that a decent HC is easier to find than another QB

 

 

 

You know what you do? Nothing. You go back. You try and improve your roster the same way you always do, the players turn up in April and you start install again. 

 

Only one team each year wins the Superbowl. Because we have seen two dynasties back to back in New England and Kansas City I think people have got a warped sense of what is reasonable to expect. Baltimore are an excellent team. A Superbowl calibre team. But so are the Bills. At least one of them wasn't going to win it. The same will happen next Sunday. One team capable of winning a Superbowl and in view of the top of the mountain will lose and slide all the way back down to base camp and prepare in April to start again. These games come down to wafer thin margins. It doesn't mean something is wrong because you don't hoist the Lombardi.