So we're moving on from Harbaugh right?

[section122]

If you want McD gone you have to think that Harbaugh needs to go too right?

 

After all no hc qb combo has won a sb after 5 years together.

 

After all he is 1-2 as the 1 seed since 2019.

 

After all he is 2-4 in the postseason since 2018. 

 

After all he has only made it to 1 afc championship with one of the most electric qbs in the game.

 

After all he has a 2 time mvp qb and has only won 1 division title in the last 4 years.

 

After all he has lost to a washed up philip rivers and ryan tannehil in the playoffs!

 

After all he has a 1-3 playoff record at home since 2018.

 

So if you wamt McD gone for underperforming and losing to the chiefs 3 of 4 years certainly you think Harbaugh is trash and needs to go to right? 

 

The Bills and McD have outperformed them over the last 6 years and the Ravens have the benefit of the mvp and 3 first team all pros this year vs the Bills single 2nd team all pro yet still lost to the same team at home as the Bills did.

 

Or does a super bowl 11 years ago followed by a single afc title game appearance this year carry that much water? 

 

Recent history and performance clearly favors McD so I am very interested to hear opinions of Harbaugh and whether he should keep his job or be fired.

[Einstein]

If I was a Ravens fan, I’d be about at my wits end with Harbaugh.

 

And Lamar.

 

But winning 1 ring does give you a super long leash.

[HappyDays]

Allen >>>>> Jackson

 

End of thread.

[boyst]

Harbaugh is stale there. He's also tied to a QB who is not perfect.

 

They'll always be a thorn. Never a rose. 

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

If I was a Ravens fan, I’d be about at my wits end with Harbaugh.

 

And Lamar.

 

But winning 1 ring does give you a super long leash.

Lamar won’t get one 

[QB Bills]

Harbaugh doesn't have Josh Allen, genius.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Would Sean McDermott have purposely had his player take a penalty at the end of the game when it was first and five, in order to re set the downs and allow his two time outs left to be used to it's fullest extent?

 

The answer is no 

 

Harbaugh is the best coach in the NFL currently 

Edited January 29, 2024 by Cheektowaga Chad

[bobobonators]

4 minutes ago, section122 said:

If you want McD gone you have to think that Harbaugh needs to go too right?

 

After all no hc qb combo has won a sb after 5 years together.

 

After all he is 1-2 as the 1 seed since 2019.

 

After all he is 2-4 in the postseason since 2018. 

 

After all he has only made it to 1 afc championship with one of the most electric qbs in the game.

 

After all he has a 2 time mvp qb and has only won 1 division title in the last 4 years.

 

After all he has lost to a washed up philip rivers and ryan tannehil in the playoffs!

 

After all he has a 1-3 playoff record at home since 2018.

 

So if you wamt McD gone for underperforming and losing to the chiefs 3 of 4 years certainly you think Harbaugh is trash and needs to go to right? 

 

The Bills and McD have outperformed them over the last 6 years and the Ravens have the benefit of the mvp and 3 first team all pros this year vs the Bills single 2nd team all pro yet still lost to the same team at home as the Bills did.

 

Or does a super bowl 11 years ago followed by a single afc title game appearance this year carry that much water? 

 

Recent history and performance clearly favors McD so I am very interested to hear opinions of Harbaugh and whether he should keep his job or be fired.

Dan Campbell should go too. His game and clock mismanagement cost the Lions two wins off the top of my head. 
 

In fact, any HC that does not make the SB within 5yrs should be fired. You play to win the game. 

Edited January 29, 2024 by bobobonators

[section122]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

If I was a Ravens fan, I’d be about at my wits end with Harbaugh.

 

And Lamar.

 

But winning 1 ring does give you a super long leash.

 

How long of a leash?  Its been 11 years.... 

 

Since that 2012 season they have won 3 division titles, they missed the playoffs 4 of 5 seasons after winning that sb, and they have only made the division round 4 times with 1 afc championship game.  McD has outperformed or tied all of that in the last 4 years

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, QB Bills said:

Harbaugh doesn't have Josh Allen, genius.

He has a defense that can hold the playoff chiefs to 17 though.  Josh would probably be undefeated against the chiefs if the bills defense could do that consistently.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Would Sean McDermott have purposely had his player take a penalty at the end of the game when it was first and five, in order to re set the downs and allow his two time outs left to be used to it's fullest extent?

 

The answer is no 

 

Harbaugh is the best coach in the NFL currently 

His team was an undisciplined mess today on the other side of that coin.  Couple huge boneheaded unnecessary penalties 

[Big Turk]

7 minutes ago, section122 said:

If you want McD gone you have to think that Harbaugh needs to go too right?

 

After all no hc qb combo has won a sb after 5 years together.

 

After all he is 1-2 as the 1 seed since 2019.

 

After all he is 2-4 in the postseason since 2018. 

 

After all he has only made it to 1 afc championship with one of the most electric qbs in the game.

 

After all he has a 2 time mvp qb and has only won 1 division title in the last 4 years.

 

After all he has lost to a washed up philip rivers and ryan tannehil in the playoffs!

 

After all he has a 1-3 playoff record at home since 2018.

 

So if you wamt McD gone for underperforming and losing to the chiefs 3 of 4 years certainly you think Harbaugh is trash and needs to go to right? 

 

The Bills and McD have outperformed them over the last 6 years and the Ravens have the benefit of the mvp and 3 first team all pros this year vs the Bills single 2nd team all pro yet still lost to the same team at home as the Bills did.

 

Or does a super bowl 11 years ago followed by a single afc title game appearance this year carry that much water? 

 

Recent history and performance clearly favors McD so I am very interested to hear opinions of Harbaugh and whether he should keep his job or be fired.

 

His electric QB is dreadful in the playoffs. Some people step up when their team needs them most, others step back. Lamar steps back like 5 steps, not one.

Edited January 29, 2024 by Big Turk

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, boyst said:

He's also tied to a QB who is not perfect.

 

I would categorize that as a very diplomatic, possibly even very generous description of Lamar Jackson.

[section122]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Allen >>>>> Jackson

 

End of thread.

 

I absolutely agree... How about the rest of the roster though?

 

Does Harbaugh bear no blame for repeated failures in the playoffs? They ran the ball 6 times with rbs today!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Process said:

What a stupid thread. 

 

There are probably several back up QBs that can play better than Lamar in the playoffs. He's atrocious. 

Does qb play not reflect on a head coach at all? I’ve never understood that take.  Harbaugh def deserves blame for the offense looking bad in the playoffs for a decade  as the head coach I’d say 

[section122]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

He has a defense that can hold the playoff chiefs to 17 though.  Josh would probably be undefeated against the chiefs if the bills defense could do that consistently.

 

He had a first team all pro safety and lb playing today.  The Bills had backup lbs and cbs playing.

 

In fact the Ravens were the #1 scoring defense this year and not missing both lbs.

[Beck Water]

9 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

Harbaugh doesn't have Josh Allen, genius.

 

A 2x league mvp should mean something re: qb quality , I think is OPs point

[TheyCallMeAndy]

15 minutes ago, section122 said:

If you want McD gone you have to think that Harbaugh needs to go too right?

 

After all no hc qb combo has won a sb after 5 years together.

 

After all he is 1-2 as the 1 seed since 2019.

 

After all he is 2-4 in the postseason since 2018. 

 

After all he has only made it to 1 afc championship with one of the most electric qbs in the game.

 

After all he has a 2 time mvp qb and has only won 1 division title in the last 4 years.

 

After all he has lost to a washed up philip rivers and ryan tannehil in the playoffs!

 

After all he has a 1-3 playoff record at home since 2018.

 

So if you wamt McD gone for underperforming and losing to the chiefs 3 of 4 years certainly you think Harbaugh is trash and needs to go to right? 

 

The Bills and McD have outperformed them over the last 6 years and the Ravens have the benefit of the mvp and 3 first team all pros this year vs the Bills single 2nd team all pro yet still lost to the same team at home as the Bills did.

 

Or does a super bowl 11 years ago followed by a single afc title game appearance this year carry that much water? 

 

Recent history and performance clearly favors McD so I am very interested to hear opinions of Harbaugh and whether he should keep his job or be fired.

Thank you! 

[section122]

12 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Would Sean McDermott have purposely had his player take a penalty at the end of the game when it was first and five, in order to re set the downs and allow his two time outs left to be used to it's fullest extent?

 

The answer is no 

 

Harbaugh is the best coach in the NFL currently 

 

Better than Reid? Are you serious?

 

Reid took the Eagles to 5 straight championship games and the chiefs to 6 straight.

 

Harbaugh has been to 2 total in 12 years.

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

I absolutely agree... How about the rest of the roster though?

 

Does Harbaugh bear no blame for repeated failures in the playoffs? They ran the ball 6 times with rbs today!

 

Definitely fair to criticize their unwillingness to run the ball. But it is just hard to win a playoff game against a championship contender when your QB plays as poorly as Lamar Jackson did today. Having a drive end on a fumble at the goal line and the next offensive possession start at their own 1 is also as big a momentum swing as an offense can have.

 

Meanwhile the Ravens defense gave up 4.6 yards per play... That's a great defensive performance against the Chiefs, giving up less efficiency than their season average even though the Chiefs were not making any mistakes on offense. The Chiefs were shut out in the 2nd half. That's a fantastic coaching result.

 

There's just no comparison between McDermott and Harbaugh. McDermott has now watched his QB have two all-time great playoff runs, and both ended in the divisional round because of his own defense. Harbaugh has not had anything close to that. Getting his team to the #1 seed in a brutal division and keeping them in the game against an elite opponent even while his QB was giving the game away, those are extremely impressive feats.