Browns hire Dorsey as OC

[Thrivefourfive]

Imagine he goes off. Then we’d have to point fingers at Allen or MCDERMOTT

[Low Positive]

Just now, Thrivefourfive said:

Imagine he goes off. Then we’d have to point fingers at Allen or MCDERMOTT

He can't "go off." He won't call the plays, and his weakness was playcalling.

[boyst]

34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Interesting. He won't call plays, it won't be his scheme. He will have a role in game plan but he is there as basically an extra pair of eyes and ears for the Quarterback and Head Coach - as a guy who has played the position in the NFL. When you think about it in that context it makes some sense. 

And it will give him experience for his next gig. He will be a legitimate OC again and he will make a mark in the league.

 

He has had a lot of experience from working with Newton and bringing him to the next level all the way to the systems he attempted in Buffalo.

[Thrivefourfive]

Just now, Low Positive said:

He can't "go off." He won't call the plays, and his weakness was playcalling.

So why’d they hire him? He took a job with zero mobility?

[Bob in STL]

I wish him well, just nit against Buffalo.  
 

Pretty sharp guy, young, and still learning. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Thrivefourfive said:

So why’d they hire him? He took a job with zero mobility?

 

I have explained why the hiring makes sense. The OC job in Cleveland is to be in sync with your QB having played the position (no coincidence AVP had too) and to be an extra pairs of eyes and ears who sees it the same way. 

 

For Dorsey it is a good re-set job and a chance to get exposed to a system he hasn't really run before.

[julian]

5 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Imagine he goes off. Then we’d have to point fingers at Allen or MCDERMOTT

I know where I’ll be pointing 

[Thrivefourfive]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I have explained why the hiring makes sense. The OC job in Cleveland is to be in sync with your QB having played the position (no coincidence AVP had too) and to be an extra pairs of eyes and ears who sees it the same way. 

 

For Dorsey it is a good re-set job and a chance to get exposed to a system he hasn't really run before.

I read that. That entire explanation sounds like the Browns are giving Dorsey a Make A Wish job, no? 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Thrivefourfive said:

I read that. That entire explanation sounds like the Browns are giving Dorsey a Make A Wish job, no? 

 

No. They want an OC with the skillset he has. 

[Eastport bills]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Brady’s play calling was about as simple as it gets. Probably due to him taking over midseason. It was a very dumbed down offense. Passing concepts were JV level.

 

The biggest plus was his commitment to the run, but IMO that was a negative because we have Josh Allen. 
 

In terms of metrics or analytics Dorsey’s offense was better in that regard also. 

I guess scoring and wins are secondary to you and being multidimensional with your attack especially since the passing game is limited in Dec and Jan because of the elements. Give me one statistic that Dorsey’s offense was better at .Finally, why do you think Dorsey was fired after 11 games with the team at 6 and 5? Losing to juggernauts like the Jets, NE, Denver. A commitment to the run is a negative because we have Josh Allen is your knock on Brady? I suggest you road test some of these ideas with guys in the bar before posting .

[BADOLBILZ]

40 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

There were no shackles. 

 

 

Shackles might be the wrong word.

 

But the game plan before Dorsey's firing was heavily predicated around avoiding using Josh Allen as a runner.

 

Brady ran him 9.2 times per game in his 9 games..........versus just 4.8 per game in the 10 games under Dorsey this season.

 

The approach was going to have to change whether Dorsey got fired or not.   That's been the way for the past few seasons.  

 

Brady just comes out looking better for it.

 

We shall see what Brady can do with the same early season limitations on Allen running the football next season.   They aren't going to rush Allen 160 times next season just to make Joe look good again.  They better get him some WR help.

 

 

[Thrivefourfive]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No. They want an OC with the skillset he has. 

Which is? I’m serious.. not trying to be a jerk

[FLFan]

54 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

There were no shackles. 

He is on a multi thread one note crusade. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Thrivefourfive said:

Which is? I’m serious.. not trying to be a jerk

 

That he actually understands playing QB in the NFL and how what might work on a chalkboard isn't necessarily easy to replicate in the game. He understands the QB's perspective. That is valuable to a playcaller who was a small school walk on DB. 

[Mango]

52 minutes ago, Billznut said:

Lol he won’t call plays. Stefanski does. Unless he’s planning on giving that up. Which is doubtful. Dorsey will be a glorified QB coach in Cleveland, but that is probably where he is best utilized. 

I think this is a good spot for him. He’s a good X’s and O’s Guy who needs a better feel for calling the game live. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

I guess scoring and wins are secondary to you and being multidimensional with your attack especially since the passing game is limited in Dec and Jan because of the elements. Give me one statistic that Dorsey’s offense was better at .Finally, why do you think Dorsey was fired after 11 games with the team at 6 and 5? Losing to juggernauts like the Jets, NE, Denver. A commitment to the run is a negative because we have Josh Allen is your knock on Brady? I suggest you road test some of these ideas with guys in the bar before posting .

Wins? Ok. I do think the team woke up with the firing. Similar to a hockey team firing a coach. But reality is the defense was the big improvement after the firing. 
 

I would love to be impressed by Brady but I just wasn’t. I think his passing offense will be much improved with a full offseason to put his touches on it.

Edited January 29 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Thrivefourfive]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That he actually understands playing QB in the NFL and how what might work on a chalkboard isn't necessarily easy to replicate in the game. He understands the QB's perspective. That is valuable to a playcaller who was a small school walk on DB. 

Boy, I understand what you’re saying, and this is all sounding like a job you give to an intern. Dorsey was a QB, but if that’s the reason for his hiring, he was an absolutely ***** one in the NFL.

Just now, Thrivefourfive said:

Boy, I understand what you’re saying, and this is all sounding like a job you give to an intern. Dorsey was a QB, but if that’s the reason for his hiring, he was an absolutely ***** one in the NFL.

Let’s say McDermott still calls the plays, and the Bills hire a DC of Dorsey’s stature. I would not be too happy about that. And if the hiring was described to me like it’s charity… Reminds me of Captain Gabe Davis. 

[The Jokeman]

42 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Dorsey & Watson....this won't end well.

My exact thought.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I believe he’s a better play caller than Brady. It’ll be interesting to to see how he does. Browns are talented.

 

Dorsey doesn't understand how to put plays together successfully in a drive sense.

 

Its like a DJ who just plays hit song after hit song without understanding how to sequence them properly for best effect.

 

Sure, you might have some good content but how you put it together matters a lot.

 

[finn]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

 

McD was head coach when Dorsey had Josh throwing it 99 times a game 

Throwing but not running the most talented running QB in the league not named Lamar.