Mikie2times Posted January 28 Posted January 28 It’s weird how other teams can freely hire top talent at the coordinator positions and we have to depend on our HC and the guy behind the OC we fired. Even more weird is how people don’t see this as a problem. 3 3 10 1 Quote
schoolhouserock Posted January 28 Posted January 28 11 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: It’s weird how other teams can freely hire top talent at the coordinator positions and we have to depend on our HC and the guy behind the OC we fired. Even more weird is how people don’t see this as a problem. That guy behind the OC was interviewed for a HC spot. A guy behind the HC was just hired as a DC elsewhere. Moore has effectively been “fired” in back-to-back seasons. Which of them are “top talent”? 7 1 3 2 3 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 28 Posted January 28 18 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: It’s weird how other teams can freely hire top talent at the coordinator positions and we have to depend on our HC and the guy behind the OC we fired. Even more weird is how people don’t see this as a problem. Most people wanted Dorsey. Less people want Brady, but there’s no one available Im pounding the table for. Quote
Mikie2times Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 31 minutes ago, schoolhouserock said: That guy behind the OC was interviewed for a HC spot. A guy behind the HC was just hired as a DC elsewhere. Moore has effectively been “fired” in back-to-back seasons. Which of them are “top talent”? Dorsey interviewed for a HC role last year. What’s your point? We haven’t hired a defensive coordinator because McD doesn’t trust somebody else to run “his” defense. We will keep Brady because McD has full control over him. We will not be a team that innovates because we won’t provide freedom to coaches to be independent. We will only employ those that will fall in line. It’s like New England but without the success. Edited January 28 by Mikie2times 4 2 1 Quote
Bferra13 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 45 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: It’s weird how other teams can freely hire top talent at the coordinator positions and we have to depend on our HC and the guy behind the OC we fired. Even more weird is how people don’t see this as a problem. Wanna make it way more weird... look at the Sabres. 1 Quote
Billl Posted January 28 Posted January 28 1 hour ago, Mikie2times said: It’s weird how other teams can freely hire top talent at the coordinator positions and we have to depend on our HC and the guy behind the OC we fired. Even more weird is how people don’t see this as a problem. Was anyone pounding the table for Kellen Moore? 2 1 1 1 Quote
Mikie2times Posted January 28 Posted January 28 18 minutes ago, Billl said: Was anyone pounding the table for Kellen Moore? I’m pounding the table for an actual coaching search of any kind. But the reality is no top coordinator would work under McD’s thumb. 1 2 1 Quote
78thealltimegreat Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) My brother in law is a Cowboys fan he seems to be laughing hysterically at this move something about the 49ers being his daddy. Take it for what it’s worth. Edited January 28 by 78thealltimegreat Quote
Mikie2times Posted January 28 Posted January 28 I’m curious, as the comment wasn’t about Moore. Moore is considered a talented OC by many, but not the guy I want. It’s more about our general approach and ability to bring in a top guy. Which is completely non existent. What scenario would we hire an elite OC or DC or consider allowing that person to have more creative control? The answer is none. It’s none even if we wanted to. If you’re DC for us, you’re running McD’s system only. If you’re an OC, like defense, you won’t fundamentally be allowed to change systems. Continuity matters when you’re the Patriots and you have won X amount of super bowls. It’s not what you sell out for over ability when you can’t get past the divisional round. McD has had odd conclusions with Frazier, Daboll, Dorsey. Either ending disgruntled or with unusual separations. So how would you feel about a HC who may or may not have your back, who you will have limited freedom with? I can literally picture this boss in my civilian life. It’s the worst kind of manager to have. Boxed into how they want things done and criticized or worse if it doesn’t work. Nobody worth a salt is walking into such a situation. So when we look at our team and go where is the growth coming from with X’s and O’s, where is the ingenuity and creativity? The answer is Sean and maybe a little Brady. A guy we should be happy with who was let go by Carolina. I’m sorry but this is just not acceptable. Not for what could be a potentially lead leading offense and a defense that would get us to the Super Bowl if they just figured out how to play Kansas City at an average playoff level. Look what Baltimore did in one year. Complex offensive rebuild. New OC. Creativity. The works. Sean will never so that. We have literally given KC 3 of the top offensive performances they have had in Mahomes era based on EPA. We can’t even play them average. Yup, run it back Sean 👍 2 2 1 3 Quote
John from Riverside Posted January 28 Posted January 28 4 hours ago, Mikie2times said: Dorsey interviewed for a HC role last year. What’s your point? We haven’t hired a defensive coordinator because McD doesn’t trust somebody else to run “his” defense. We will keep Brady because McD has full control over him. We will not be a team that innovates because we won’t provide freedom to coaches to be independent. We will only employ those that will fall in line. It’s like New England but without the success. Calm down, Francis 4 1 Quote
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 It's the blue cheese dressing, I tells ya. Scares off the unenlightened from interviewing and coaching in Buffalo. Quote
Ya Digg? Posted January 28 Posted January 28 5 hours ago, Mikie2times said: I’m curious, as the comment wasn’t about Moore. Moore is considered a talented OC by many, but not the guy I want. It’s more about our general approach and ability to bring in a top guy. Which is completely non existent. What scenario would we hire an elite OC or DC or consider allowing that person to have more creative control? The answer is none. It’s none even if we wanted to. If you’re DC for us, you’re running McD’s system only. If you’re an OC, like defense, you won’t fundamentally be allowed to change systems. Continuity matters when you’re the Patriots and you have won X amount of super bowls. It’s not what you sell out for over ability when you can’t get past the divisional round. McD has had odd conclusions with Frazier, Daboll, Dorsey. Either ending disgruntled or with unusual separations. So how would you feel about a HC who may or may not have your back, who you will have limited freedom with? I can literally picture this boss in my civilian life. It’s the worst kind of manager to have. Boxed into how they want things done and criticized or worse if it doesn’t work. Nobody worth a salt is walking into such a situation. So when we look at our team and go where is the growth coming from with X’s and O’s, where is the ingenuity and creativity? The answer is Sean and maybe a little Brady. A guy we should be happy with who was let go by Carolina. I’m sorry but this is just not acceptable. Not for what could be a potentially lead leading offense and a defense that would get us to the Super Bowl if they just figured out how to play Kansas City at an average playoff level. Look what Baltimore did in one year. Complex offensive rebuild. New OC. Creativity. The works. Sean will never so that. We have literally given KC 3 of the top offensive performances they have had in Mahomes era based on EPA. We can’t even play them average. Yup, run it back Sean 👍 Ok so are there names of “elite” OCs or DCs that you would like to see them bring in? 1 Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 28 Posted January 28 I'll say this: the Eagles 100% upgraded at their coordinators this offseason 1 Quote
Captain Hindsight Posted January 28 Posted January 28 14 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I'll say this: the Eagles 100% upgraded at their coordinators this offseason Couldn’t be much worse 1 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 28 Posted January 28 50 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I'll say this: the Eagles 100% upgraded at their coordinators this offseason I think it's better than what they had, but I don't think they did that well bringing in Moore and Fangio. Dallas didn't seem to miss Moore last year. One could argue the offense was better without him and under McCarthy, of all people. Fangio is getting ancient. He's stuck in his ways and made several odd choices on his side of the ball where it came to playtime and duties. He almost refuses to adjust his system to fit players. Players were overjoyed to see him go. All in all, they got 2 "big names". How it will turn out is anyone's guess, but barring a deep playoff run, I think Sirianni is about done there. 1 1 Quote
Boatdrinks Posted January 28 Posted January 28 8 hours ago, Mikie2times said: I’m pounding the table for an actual coaching search of any kind. But the reality is no top coordinator would work under McD’s thumb. The reality is a top coordinator becomes a HC. The “ innovative” systems that actually led to SB wins are decades old. 1 Quote
NyQuil Posted January 28 Posted January 28 In other news the Panthers blocked the Giants from interviewing Chris Tabor and then fired him less than 24 hours after they filled the position. 1 Quote
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 28 Posted January 28 28 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I think it's better than what they had, but I don't think they did that well bringing in Moore and Fangio. Dallas didn't seem to miss Moore last year. One could argue the offense was better without him and under McCarthy, of all people. Fangio is getting ancient. He's stuck in his ways and made several odd choices on his side of the ball where it came to playtime and duties. He almost refuses to adjust his system to fit players. Players were overjoyed to see him go. All in all, they got 2 "big names". How it will turn out is anyone's guess, but barring a deep playoff run, I think Sirianni is about done there. It smacks of desperation and I came to the exact same conclusion. 1 Quote
billsbackto81 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 11 hours ago, Mikie2times said: It’s weird how other teams can freely hire top talent at the coordinator positions and we have to depend on our HC and the guy behind the OC we fired. Even more weird is how people don’t see this as a problem. Maybe we can interview Fangio. I've heard he's a top talent DC. 1 Quote
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