BillsFanForever19 Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Oh... well if they met at the Senior Bowl then obviously the Bills interviewed him... so the entire notion of him being off the table for us is out the window. I mean, no one's completely off the table for us until we don't Draft them. But as I said previously, I don't believe we've ever skipped the Combine interview and selected someone in Round 1. It's maybe the most important part of the evaluation for this regime. And as for meeting him at the Senior Bowl, there's two things at play there: 1.) Every single player at the Senior Bowl meets with every team. It's a requirement. Teams can choose to request a longer meeting, but there's no knowing whether we did or were just meeting with him bc we had to. 2.) When we've drafted players we met at the Senior Bowl in Round 1, we met with them again at the Combine. Not an either or situation. We don't bring our entire staff to the Senior Bowl. And to that end, here is a list of Senior Bowl players we met with at the Senior Bowl this year like McConkey and then did the more important Combine interview as well: Xavier Legette - WR South Carolina Devontez Walker - WR North Carolina Roman Wilson - WR Michigan Kameron Kinchens - S Miami Payton Wilson - LB NC State Byron Murphy II - DT Texas Javon Solomon - DE Troy Jalyx Hunt - DE Houston Christian Patrick Paul - OT Houston That's a pretty long list of guys that we chose to meet with at both the Senior Bowl and the Combine. McConkey was not one of them. When you put all these things together, it doesn't *completely* eliminate him. He could be the first player that bucks the trend. But with how important the Combine interview is and how methodical this regime is, the idea that it means nothing that we didn't do the, to this date, pre-requisite job interview is pretty unlikely to me. I don't see him being in play at the moment. If we don't interview him at the Combine and we don't bring him in for a Pre-Draft visit, you can pretty much cross him off the Draft Board completely. Edited March 4 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote
Dr. Who Posted March 4 Posted March 4 1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I mean, no one's completely off the table for us until we don't Draft them. But as I said previously, I don't believe we've ever skipped the Combine interview and selected someone in Round 1. It's maybe the most important part of the evaluation for this regime. And as for meeting him at the Senior Bowl, there's two things at play there: 1.) Every single player at the Senior Bowl meets with every team. It's a requirement. Teams can choose to request a longer meeting, but there's no knowing whether we did or were just meeting with him bc we had to. 2.) When we've drafted players we met at the Senior Bowl in Round 1, we met with them again at the Combine. Not an either or situation. We don't bring our entire staff to the Senior Bowl. And to that end, here is a list of Senior Bowl players we met with at the Senior Bowl this year like McConkey and then did the more important Combine interview as well: Xavier Legette - WR South Carolina Devontez Walker - WR North Carolina Roman Wilson - WR Michigan Kameron Kinchens - S Miami Payton Wilson - LB NC State Byron Murphy II - DT Texas Javon Solomon - DE Troy Jalyx Hunt - DE Houston Christian Patrick Paul - OT Houston That's a pretty long list of guys that we chose to meet with at both the Senior Bowl and the Combine. McConkey was not one of them. When you put all these things together, it doesn't *completely* eliminate him. He could be the first player that bucks the trend. But with how important the Combine interview is and how methodical this regime is, the idea that it means nothing that we didn't do the, to this date, pre-requisite job interview is pretty unlikely to me. I don't see him being in play at the moment. If we don't interview him at the Combine or bring him in for a Pre-Draft visit, you can pretty much cross him off the Draft Board completely. I get the logic, which you have extensively outlined several times now. This is likely correct, and plausible, but the more you repeat it, the more I find myself hoping they select him. Even though I think they need to get a big X at #28 . . . 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 4 Posted March 4 8 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I mean, no one's completely off the table for us until we don't Draft them. But as I said previously, I don't believe we've ever skipped the Combine interview and selected someone in Round 1. It's maybe the most important part of the evaluation for this regime. And as for meeting him at the Senior Bowl, there's two things at play there: 1.) Every single player at the Senior Bowl meets with every team. It's a requirement. Teams can choose to request a longer meeting, but there's no knowing whether we did or were just meeting with him bc we had to. 2.) When we've drafted players we met at the Senior Bowl in Round 1, we met with them again at the Combine. Not an either or situation. We don't bring our entire staff to the Senior Bowl. And to that end, here is a list of Senior Bowl players we met with at the Senior Bowl this year like McConkey and then did the more important Combine interview as well: Xavier Legette - WR South Carolina Devontez Walker - WR North Carolina Roman Wilson - WR Michigan Kameron Kinchens - S Miami Payton Wilson - LB NC State Byron Murphy II - DT Texas Javon Solomon - DE Troy Jalyx Hunt - DE Houston Christian Patrick Paul - OT Houston That's a pretty long list of guys that we chose to meet with at both the Senior Bowl and the Combine. McConkey was not one of them. When you put all these things together, it doesn't *completely* eliminate him. He could be the first player that bucks the trend. But with how important the Combine interview is and how methodical this regime is, the idea that it means nothing that we didn't do the, to this date, pre-requisite job interview is pretty unlikely to me. I don't see him being in play at the moment. If we don't interview him at the Combine and we don't bring him in for a Pre-Draft visit, you can pretty much cross him off the Draft Board completely. So what you’re saying is we’re drafting Xavier Legette? Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I get the logic, which you have extensively outlined several times now. This is likely correct, and plausible, but the more you repeat it, the more I find myself hoping they select him. Even though I think they need to get a big X at #28 . . . 15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: So what you’re saying is we’re drafting Xavier Legette? Legette is a higher likelihood to me as a.) We did meet with him at both the Senior Bowl and the Combine and more importantly b.) He is a true "big X" that fits what we're looking for much more than a guy who is looked at more as either a Slot or an Inside/Outside Tweener type. I'm very high on Legette and his fit here. Especially after a strong Combine. But we could just as easily go with a guy we met at the Combine who wasn't at the Senior Bowl and is a top prospect. That's a long list of guys too: Brian Thomas Jr. - LSU Adonai Mitchell - Texas Xavier Worthy - Texas Keon Coleman - Florida State Troy Franklin - Oregon Edited March 4 by BillsFanForever19 2 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 4 Posted March 4 Who would you say is the best WR when plays break down and the QB is out of the pocket? Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 4 Posted March 4 13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Who would you say is the best WR when plays break down and the QB is out of the pocket? Probably Keon Coleman? But it really depends on what you mean. There really isn't a metric for "guy who comes open late in an improvisational manner". But Coleman's whole game is a RIDICULOUS win percentage on contested balls. However, the feeling with that was that he was able to attain that contested catch rate because he can't create separation, thus necessitating a need to win contested. Then he went to the Combine and ran a 4.65 40. Pretty much confirming it. Although, he looked EXTREMELY good on drills - that drops him for me. Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted March 4 Posted March 4 29 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Who would you say is the best WR when plays break down and the QB is out of the pocket? When I watched Brendan Rice, he never seemed to stop running no matter how long the QB held the ball. I’m guessing that you might possibly be able to get him at 99. 1 Quote
DCOrange Posted March 4 Posted March 4 35 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Who would you say is the best WR when plays break down and the QB is out of the pocket? Of the guys I've watched film on so far, I would say Keon Coleman, Ricky Pearsall, Ladd McConkey, Jacob Cowing, and then maybe Brenden Rice and Roman Wilson. And absolutely not to Adonai Mitchell and Xavier Worthy. Hard to say with Brian Thomas and Troy Franklin as Thomas' QB never really bought time outside of the pocket to throw and Franklin's threw the ball so quickly there were very limited opportunities for these sorts of extended plays. 1 Quote
LEBills Posted March 4 Posted March 4 6 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: When I watched Brendan Rice, he never seemed to stop running no matter how long the QB held the ball. I’m guessing that you might possibly be able to get him at 99. This is right. The USC guys especially Rice because Caleb Williams went off script soooo often. Quote
section122 Posted March 5 Posted March 5 21 hours ago, DCOrange said: I'm sure a few WRs will slip through the cracks; I'm really just doing the metrics thing for fun. As I mentioned, Zay Flowers for example was relatively low when I applied the same system to the 2023 class. Having said that, Mitchell came out with a score of -4.98, 115th out of 129. WRs that ranked 100th or worse from the prior two classes: Kayshon Boutte Tyler Scott Isaiah Weston Grant Dubose Bryce Ford-Wheaton Charlie Jones Dontayvion Wicks Tyquan Thornton Johnny Johnson III Makai Polk Tanner Conner Antoine Green Justin Shorter Jake Bobo Jalen Wayne Ty Fryfogle Slade Bolden Braylon Sanders Jayden Reed is the lowest rated in my database that has shown he might be good; he was 86th. Perhaps Mitchell will be the outlier from that group. Worthy isn't too bad on the metrics; roughly in the top third of the group over the last three years. I think dontayvion wicks showed well this year. Jake bobo also got a lot of good press in seattle. Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 5 Posted March 5 (edited) I wonder who Josh likes and prefers? I remember watching an interview with Beane at the Combine where he said Josh tells him about Mock Draft Simulators he does, who he got, where he got them, etc. Pretty entertaining to hear that he does Mocks like the rest of us. Gotta imagine he has his favorites as well. And who he prefers may play a small part in who we pick if Beane's choosing between a couple different guys. Edited March 5 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote
DCOrange Posted March 5 Posted March 5 31 minutes ago, section122 said: I think dontayvion wicks showed well this year. Jake bobo also got a lot of good press in seattle. Would you feel good if our first round pick matches Bobo’s 196 yards as a rookie? Wicks was solid as the #3 in GB this year. Quote
section122 Posted March 5 Posted March 5 8 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Would you feel good if our first round pick matches Bobo’s 196 yards as a rookie? Wicks was solid as the #3 in GB this year. Bobo was a udfa and wicks was a 5th rounder. I was just mentioning guys that showed something in year 1. It will be interesting as more data points get added to your metrcis system if it holds. Its certainly off to a good start. Quote
Dan in Owego Posted March 5 Posted March 5 Anyone with with thoughts on Bub Means? Like his size and demeanor on the field and could be had in the later rounds. 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 5 Posted March 5 3 minutes ago, Dan in Owego said: Anyone with with thoughts on Bub Means? Like his size and demeanor on the field and could be had in the later rounds. sure, I’d take him in the later rounds 1 Quote
Dan in Owego Posted March 5 Posted March 5 During his combine interview he said the Bills showed a lot of interest, kinda gives me Gabe vibes with better mitts. 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 5 Posted March 5 2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I wonder who Josh likes and prefers? I remember watching an interview with Beane at the Combine where he said Josh tells him about Mock Draft Simulators he does, who he got, where he got them, etc. Pretty entertaining to hear that he does Mocks like the rest of us. Gotta imagine he has his favorites as well. And who he prefers may play a small part in who we pick if Beane's choosing between a couple different guys. I didn’t hear about the mock draft part. Pretty cool! Quote
The Jokeman Posted March 5 Posted March 5 6 hours ago, Dan in Owego said: Anyone with with thoughts on Bub Means? Like his size and demeanor on the field and could be had in the later rounds. He's in my could be better than round they drafted in. I like him and Cornelius Johnson in that sense. Quote
NewEra Posted March 5 Posted March 5 19 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Give me your top 2 contested catch WRs not named Marvin Harrison Jr, Nabers, or Odunze? Keon Coleman? No thanks, maybe rd 2-3 1 Quote
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