GunnerBill Posted March 3 Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: WR’s we met with: Troy Franklin, Oregon Keon Coleman, FSU Tez Walker, UNC Xavier Worthy, Texas Brian Thomas Jr., LSU Jalen McMillan, Washington Adonai Mitchell, Texas Xavier Legette, South Carolina Roman Wilson, Michigan Johnny Wilson, FSU The Legette dream is still alive 🙏🏻 5 Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted March 3 Posted March 3 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Low Positive said: People talk about this class like it has unprecedented depth at the WR position. But 2020 was just as deep, and not all of those guys hit. First Round 12- Henry Ruggs (No idea) 15- Jerry Jeudy (Disappointment) 17- CD Lamb (Hit) 21- Jalen Reagor (Bust) 22- Justin Jefferson (Superstar) 25- Brandon Aiyuk (Hit) Second Round 33- Tee Higgins (Hit) 34- Michael Pittman (Hit) 42- Laviska Shenault (bust) 46- KJ Hamler (Bust due to injuries) 49- Chase Claypool (Bust-ish) 57- Van Jefferson (??) 59- Denzel Mimms (Bust) Late-round steals included Devin Duvernay (3rd), Gabe Davis (4th), Darnell Mooney (5th), KJ Osborne (5th), and guys like Quez Watkins, Peoples-Jones, and Hodgins in the late rounds that are not great but are playing on NFL rosters. What I mean in all of this is that one or more of these guys that you are all drooling over is going to be the Reagor/Shenault of this draft. I would place good money on it being someone who vaults up draft boards to his performance against air yesterday. Well, if you followed the draft you'd know that there are never 6-10 hits in a row at ANY position. Not even close. There are just SO MANY different things that can go wrong with any prospect. In the last 8 drafts the Bills have gotten very disappointing returns from 1st rounders like Shaq Lawson and Kaiir Elam. Big fails on day 1 or day 2 happen regardless of position. Edit: And I'll add.......the guys who gained the most from the workouts at WR yesterday were guys like McConkey and Pearsall.........who had great tape but people questioned their athleticism. It wasn't one of those situations where a bunch of guys with nothing good on tape ran in the 4.3's or jumped 11' or 42". This class has been pretty fleshed out for some time. Some of them will inevitably bust or underwhelm due to unforeseen injuries but there is no doubt it's an extraordinary class talent-wise. Edited March 3 by BADOLBILZ 2 4 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 3 Posted March 3 2 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: WR’s we met with: Troy Franklin, Oregon Keon Coleman, FSU Tez Walker, UNC Xavier Worthy, Texas Brian Thomas Jr., LSU Jalen McMillan, Washington Adonai Mitchell, Texas Xavier Legette, South Carolina Roman Wilson, Michigan Johnny Wilson, FSU I can't recall the last time we Drafted someone in the 1st and didn't meet with them at the Combine. Notice Ladd McConkey is not on the list? 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted March 3 Posted March 3 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: I can't recall the last time we Drafted someone in the 1st and didn't meet with them at the Combine. Notice Ladd McConkey is not on the list? Yep. The Bills don't draft kids they haven't met. 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 3 Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yep. The Bills don't draft kids they haven't met. They met him at the Sr. Bowl. 1 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted March 3 Posted March 3 5 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: They met him at the Sr. Bowl. In which case he is still in play. 2 Quote
Low Positive Posted March 3 Posted March 3 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: Well, if you followed the draft you'd know that there are never 6-10 hits in a row at ANY position. Not even close. There are just SO MANY different things that can go wrong with any prospect. In the last 8 drafts the Bills have gotten very disappointing returns from 1st rounders like Shaq Lawson and Kaiir Elam. Big fails on day 1 or day 2 happen regardless of position. That's my point. There are always busts and guys that slip through the cracks but people on here are talking as if all of these guys this year will be great. To take the Bills out of this discussion, Jalen Reagor being taken right before Justin Jefferson was a case of a GM getting too cute in trusting metrics instead of their own two eyes. And people still think that Howie Roseman is a genius. There are countless examples of this. Look at all the WRs taken before Cupp, all because he had a bad combine running against air when the college tape told you that he would be really good. The Ravens took Rashad Batemen in the first round in 2021. He's never had more than 600 yards in a season. In that same draft, the Lions took Amon-Ra St. Brown in the 4th. There are no sure things. 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 3 Posted March 3 Just now, GunnerBill said: In which case he is still in play. My point is if you go through the list of Bills 1sts under this regime - we've always met with them at the Combine. Even if we met them at the Senior Bowl, like Josh - we still had a Combine interview. There's always shots of the Combine interview for that Post-Draft Bills pick video. Quote
Dr. Who Posted March 3 Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, Low Positive said: That's my point. There are always busts and guys that slip through the cracks but people on here are talking as if all of these guys this year will be great. To take the Bills out of this discussion, Jalen Reagor being taken right before Justin Jefferson was a case of a GM getting too cute in trusting metrics instead of their own two eyes. And people still think that Howie Roseman is a genius. There are countless examples of this. Look at all the WRs taken before Cupp, all because he had a bad combine running against air when the college tape told you that he would be really good. The Ravens took Rashad Batemen in the first round in 2021. He's never had more than 600 yards in a season. In that same draft, the Lions took Amon-Ra St. Brown in the 4th. There are no sure things. That's a gross exaggeration. Who doesn't know that guys bust and others slip through the cracks? What does that have to do with an evaluation of the quality of a draft class at a position? There are more high pay-off scratch offs at WR in this draft. Of course, it might not work out, but that's not a reason to ignore the specific strength of this draft. It just happens to match one of the Bills' significant needs, and one that they have generally ignored with premium picks in the past. 1 Quote
Low Positive Posted March 3 Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: My point is if you go through the list of Bills 1sts under this regime - we've always met with them at the Combine. Even if we met them at the Senior Bowl, like Josh - we still had a Combine interview. There's always shots of the Combine interview for that Post-Draft Bills pick video. Those Combine interviews have to be mentioned by the player or leaked by an agent. We might have met with him and it hasn't leaked. Quote
Aussie Joe Posted March 3 Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: My point is if you go through the list of Bills 1sts under this regime - we've always met with them at the Combine. Even if we met them at the Senior Bowl, like Josh - we still had a Combine interview. There's always shots of the Combine interview for that Post-Draft Bills pick video. They also might not want to telegraph interest in him either by meeting with him again so close after the first time .whats he going to tell them this time that he didn’t a month ago? I doubt they care that much about the video … they will just be trying to get their guy .. Quote
Dr. Who Posted March 3 Posted March 3 Just now, Aussie Joe said: They also might not want to telegraph interest in him either by meeting with him again so close after the first time .whats he going to tell them this time that he didn’t a month ago? I doubt they care that much about the video … they will just be trying to get their guy .. I agree with this, but I really hope the plan is to double down and get two of these guys. One in the first, another day 2 or early day 3. 1 Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted March 3 Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Mat68 said: I must have a different Idea of what breakout is vs the actually metric. Cambell is a 18.1 but only caught 10 passes as a freshman. He didnt produce until his senior year. Doesn’t breakout age sometimes have a lot to do with who is in front of a player at their college? Imagine trying to get on the field and make an impact as a receiver at Ohio State, Georgia, LSU last season, Texas… Some of those teams had better receiving groups than NFL teams. Quote
Aussie Joe Posted March 3 Posted March 3 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: I agree with this, but I really hope the plan is to double down and get two of these guys. One in the first, another day 2 or early day 3. They might also get a FA with some upside …. There is another 8 weeks to see how this plays out … still a few more more twists and turns no doubt 2 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 3 Posted March 3 29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: In which case he is still in play. Beane said a couple of times this offseason they have learned from their mistakes. Maybe, and I am just guessing here, they will not do as many interviews on players they like to throw teams off. Fans are even saying, they don't draft anyone they don't meet at the combine. I would personally like for this to be the first of many times they break that trend. Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted March 3 Posted March 3 21 minutes ago, Low Positive said: That's my point. There are always busts and guys that slip through the cracks but people on here are talking as if all of these guys this year will be great. To take the Bills out of this discussion, Jalen Reagor being taken right before Justin Jefferson was a case of a GM getting too cute in trusting metrics instead of their own two eyes. And people still think that Howie Roseman is a genius. There are countless examples of this. Look at all the WRs taken before Cupp, all because he had a bad combine running against air when the college tape told you that he would be really good. The Ravens took Rashad Batemen in the first round in 2021. He's never had more than 600 yards in a season. In that same draft, the Lions took Amon-Ra St. Brown in the 4th. There are no sure things. Actually, the Rams used a speed analytic.......his ability to maintain top speed thru changes of direction......as justification for drafting Kupp fairly early despite concerns that he'd be the more-easy-to-find slot type of receiver. Which is what he is and he's great at it. But that metric actually likely got him drafted earlier. The flip side to a player like Reagor busting in the 20's is a player like Jefferson becoming an MVP level offensive player in the 20's. NOBODY saw THAT coming. He looked very good.......but the clear #1 WR in the NFL? No. I think most of us would be satisfied with the Bills WR pick at 28 becoming a 1,000 yard receiver.........but while that player could bust he could also become amazing. 1 Quote
Mat68 Posted March 3 Posted March 3 14 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Doesn’t breakout age sometimes have a lot to do with who is in front of a player at their college? Imagine trying to get on the field and make an impact as a receiver at Ohio State, Georgia, LSU last season, Texas… Some of those teams had better receiving groups than NFL teams. I guess. Or maybe he had a big game early in the season and was redshirted?? Early success and production added with elite testing imo translates. 30 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: That's a gross exaggeration. Who doesn't know that guys bust and others slip through the cracks? What does that have to do with an evaluation of the quality of a draft class at a position? There are more high pay-off scratch offs at WR in this draft. Of course, it might not work out, but that's not a reason to ignore the specific strength of this draft. It just happens to match one of the Bills' significant needs, and one that they have generally ignored with premium picks in the past. Reagor was a reach draft night. Everyone thought they were going Jefferson. I remember Bleacher Report trashing it. Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 3 Posted March 3 (edited) 14 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: They met him at the Sr. Bowl. There's a major difference between meeting a non-QB at the Senior Bowl and meeting with them at the Combine. Meeting a player at the Senior Bowl is very informal and you can't really get much done. They don't want them to be too distracted from Practices and the Game and make sure they get enough rest. As interviews are done at the Combine. https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/senior-bowl-interview-process-changes-nfl-draft-teams-players 13 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Beane said a couple of times this offseason they have learned from their mistakes. Maybe, and I am just guessing here, they will not do as many interviews on players they like to throw teams off. Fans are even saying, they don't draft anyone they don't meet at the combine. I would personally like for this to be the first of many times they break that trend. So Ladd McConkey is so special that we're specifically not getting a feel for him with coaches and GM, breaking him down with film, bypassing the formal job interview, and "tipping our hand" with literally every other prospect who's a fit for us? Edited March 4 by BillsFanForever19 1 1 Quote
mrags Posted March 3 Posted March 3 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I can't recall the last time we Drafted someone in the 1st and didn't meet with them at the Combine. Notice Ladd McConkey is not on the list? Thank god 1 Quote
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