BillsFanForever19 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Everyone's torching Coleman for his 40. Meanwhile, they show that he ran the gauntlet faster and smoother than anyone else. Timed speed and play speed are two different beasts. Quote
Dr. Who Posted March 2 Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Mitchell to me is an example of why the combine is dangerous for evaluation. Suddenly because of his 40 time he is a 1st round talent. But everything I've read and watched on him shows that he is an inconsistent route runner and struggles against press coverage and isn't a particularly high-effort player. Very impressive 40 time but it changes nothing. The tape doesn't lie. Greg Cosell watched the same tape, and came to different conclusions. He's ahead of Coleman for me. I liked Mitchell before the Combine. I liked him when he was at UGA, for that matter. He's a big game player, and we could use that. 1 2 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: Everyone's torching Coleman for his 40. Meanwhile, they show that he ran the gauntlet faster and smoother than anyone else. Timed speed and play speed are two different beasts. yes, but he also showed no regard for the sideline Quote
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) 14 minutes ago, JMM said: Deebo vibes!!! Would he fall to us in second? Probably not. Moulds/Deebo/AJ Brown vibes. You take him at 28 no questions asked. Edited March 2 by TheBeaneBandit 1 Quote
HappyDays Posted March 2 Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Everyone's torching Coleman for his 40. Meanwhile, they show that he ran the gauntlet faster and smoother than anyone else. Timed speed and play speed are two different beasts. Yep. 2 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Diggs's combine performance in 2015. LOL at 1:00. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOQDrsFfy9A looks like the player we saw for the last 6-8 games. Sigh. Quote
gonzo1105 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Everyone's torching Coleman for his 40. Meanwhile, they show that he ran the gauntlet faster and smoother than anyone else. Timed speed and play speed are two different beasts. Coleman is going to go in round 2. People knocking him for not being as fast as guys 30 pounds lighter than him is insane. All that did today was knock him out of the first round and it’s exactly the reason why Mitchell will be a 1st rounder now. Coleman is a good football player so I agree with you Quote
FireChans Posted March 2 Posted March 2 25 minutes ago, HappyDays said: You might be surprised to know that I almost always agree with this. The first time I saw Coleman's profile was "contested catch specialist" I was out on him. But the more I've seen the more I have liked him. He has more nuance to his route running than the moniker would have you believe. He also moves very well with the ball in his hands. Not going to speed by guys of course but he will bully through him and fight for tough extra yards. Mike Williams is a pure contested catch specialist with really nothing else to write home about. And even he has two 1000 yard seasons on his resume, he has just unfortunately dealt with a ton of injuries. I think Coleman can get open. Imo he doesn’t separate like some of the other guys do. I want a guy whose skill is “running away from the guys who can’t catch him.” Mike Williams has been productive, just like Coleman will probably be. Strategically, it’s not for me. Coleman getting half a step on NFL DB’s is not what I want for our offense. That’s Gabe Davis-ball, and that’s why Josh threw so many picks his way. I don’t see Coleman being a window-opener. I see him as more of the same tight window throws that all it takes is a pass a little behind or a faster DB to make a play and it’s going the other way or getting tipped. 1 Quote
sven233 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Mitchell to me is an example of why the combine is dangerous for evaluation. Suddenly because of his 40 time he is a 1st round talent. But everything I've read and watched on him shows that he is an inconsistent route runner and struggles against press coverage and isn't a particularly high-effort player. Very impressive 40 time but it changes nothing. The tape doesn't lie. I think he's one of those players that is still ascending. I think there is more there than what we've seen and with good coaching and the right system, he can really be a very good WR. I don't think his tape shows everything that's there yet. We'll see, though. So hard to tell who's going to be good and who's not, especially when we don't know how interviews go, how smart guys are, how fast they pick things up, etc. As fans, we have the games, but there is a lot more to it. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 2 Posted March 2 If it’s a freak athlete then it’s either Mitchell or Legette. 1 1 Quote
90sBills Posted March 2 Posted March 2 37 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Yeah, he's got great hands and plays big in big games. Cosell really likes him. We're going to have to trade up from #28 to get him. I'll blow a gasket if the Chiefs trade up ahead of us and grab him. Mahomes holds a receiver camp in Texas every offseason. Look for a few draftees to attend. I bet Mitchell will be among them since he’s in Texas. 1 Quote
gonzo1105 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: I think Coleman can get open. Imo he doesn’t separate like some of the other guys do. I want a guy whose skill is “running away from the guys who can’t catch him.” Mike Williams has been productive, just like Coleman will probably be. Strategically, it’s not for me. Coleman getting half a step on NFL DB’s is not what I want for our offense. That’s Gabe Davis-ball, and that’s why Josh threw so many picks his way. I don’t see Coleman being a window-opener. I see him as more of the same tight window throws that all it takes is a pass a little behind or a faster DB to make a play and it’s going the other way or getting tipped. So here’s my question. Would you be okay with McConkey then? He fits everything you’re looking for. Best route runner, ran 4.4 toasted guys in the SEC but some question whether he can play outside 2 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Did anyone notice it was the Bills WR coach Adam Henry for the drills 3 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: I've been saying it this whole time - Legette was being slept on and is going to rise when the Combine and Pro Day comes and his measurements and times are done. Quote
HappyDays Posted March 2 Posted March 2 He can't run a track and field drill as fast as others but he can run in a straight line while plucking footballs out of the air better than any of them. I know which of those drills I actually care about. 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: yes, but he also showed no regard for the sideline I'll take his gauntlet over Franklin's all day, sideline lapse or not. Woof! 1 Quote
Dr. Who Posted March 2 Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, 90sBills said: Mahomes holds a receiver camp in Texas every offseason. Look for a few draftees to attend. I bet Mitchell will be among them since he’s in Texas. Thanks, pal. Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I'll take his gauntlet over Franklin's all day, sideline lapse or not. Woof! Update: Mitchell / Legette at 28 Worthy / Coleman at 60 😆🙃 Edited March 2 by Warriorspikes51 Quote
Magox Posted March 2 Posted March 2 (edited) 8 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: So here’s my question. Would you be okay with McConkey then? He fits everything you’re looking for. Best route runner, ran 4.4 toasted guys in the SEC but some question whether he can play outside I think between McConkey, Diggs and Shakir they could split reps in the slot and boundary. Edited March 2 by Magox 1 Quote
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