2024 WR Draft Class

[Dr. Who]

26 minutes ago, Magox said:

I don’t believe that was Cosell’s picks on that screen.  I believe it was from a different source.   He was not thrilled about Coleman but loved Mitchell and this shows the reverse.

I think someone upthread identified them with a list from CBS sports. They definitely are not Cosell's ranking of the receivers.

[BADOLBILZ]

16 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't like Kinchens tape either. He is my SF5 at the moment. I know a lot have him higher but he isn't for me.

 

 

Yeah as a Hurricanes fan I don't want either of Kinchens or Williams.   Kinchens is all instinct and no physical traits and I question his ability to hold up to the punishment.   Great character guy but not what you want from a starting point as a prospect.    Williams is slow as balls........as I predicted he ran poorly.........but that lack of speed meshes well with his lack of instinct, intelligence and discipline.   Total dumba$$ of a player who thinks he's a lot better than he is........arrives late to the play and then yanks a face mask or hits the guy out of bounds in frustration.   If he puts his mind to it and takes pro coaching he has the physical traits to be an NFL LB but I wouldn't hold my breath on that.

[HappyDays]

13 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Keon Coleman is excited by the idea of learning under Stefon Diggs:

 

 

 

Coleman has really grown on me this offseason. Don't want to read too much into a short interview but it seems he has the alpha mentality that a WR with his skill set needs to be successful. Still very young too, turning 21 in May. I think the Bills could really like him. Physical traits, young, high football character, fills a need. He fits the 1st round profile.

[Einstein's Dog]

9 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Don't you get the sense that Thomas is LONG gone by 28, and potentially Coleman and Mitchell are also gone? Franklin has a chance to make it, and I'd be super happy with him. Worthy I don't like as much, but obviously NFL evaluators see him at least as a consideration. There is also McConkey and Roman Wilson as non-prototype #1s, plus Baker and Polk and others who will likely go early day two. I want the Bills to come away with one of the obvious X-receiver guys, which most likely has to happen at 28.  

I could see the Bills viewing a tier at Thomas/Mitchell/Coleman/Franklin.  And if the draft gets into the 20s with two of those 4 gone, Beane may rightfully get nervous.  He may have to move up a bit.

 

GunnerBilll's outline of teams doesn't look like it would make Beane (or me) comfortable.  You would have Cowboys/Tampa ahead and KC and Car poised to make a move up and snipe us.

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I could see the Bills viewing a tier at Thomas/Mitchell/Coleman/Franklin.  And if the draft gets into the 20s with two of those 4 gone, Beane may rightfully get nervous.  He may have to move up a bit.

 

GunnerBilll's outline of teams doesn't look like it would make Beane (or me) comfortable.  You would have Cowboys/Tampa ahead and KC and Car poised to make a move up and snipe us.

That is why I feel that if they feel there is a top 4 per say, don't wait. Trade up and grab one 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I could see the Bills viewing a tier at Thomas/Mitchell/Coleman/Franklin.  And if the draft gets into the 20s with two of those 4 gone, Beane may rightfully get nervous.  He may have to move up a bit.

 

GunnerBilll's outline of teams doesn't look like it would make Beane (or me) comfortable.  You would have Cowboys/Tampa ahead and KC and Car poised to make a move up and snipe us.

 

They will be damned if they do, and damned if they don’t move up. Some people will say he would have fallen, and we paid too much. Sit still and wait, and people will give you hell because KC or somebody jumped you and got your guy. Just get a game changing stud. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Coleman has really grown on me this offseason. Don't want to read too much into a short interview but it seems he has the alpha mentality that a WR with his skill set needs to be successful. Still very young too, turning 21 in May. I think the Bills could really like him. Physical traits, young, high football character, fills a need. He fits the 1st round profile.

 

My thing with Keon is I think you are drafting Gabe Davis again. He is ptobably a better version if Gabe Davis but that is the style of receiver you are getting. A guy who really is going to be 80% downfield routes, who isn't a great separator and who isn't as good as you want him to be in terms of contested catch %.

 

I think he has better hands than Gabe, uses his body a bit better and I think he will run a bit faster (the Bills you will recall were quite pleased Gabe timed slightly slower than expected at mid 4.5s). I expect Keon to be under 4.50 but let's see. High 4.4s. 

 

So he likely is an upgrade on Davis but I think he is the same style of receiver again. I think we need a bit more suddeness and separation. 

[Einstein's Dog]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

They will be damned if they do, and damned if they don’t move up. Some people will say he would have fallen, and we paid too much. Sit still and wait, and people will give you hell because KC or somebody jumped you and got your guy. Just get a game changing stud. 

Lately I've been 50/50 with the FO.  Didn't see it as necessary for Elam, loved it for Kincaid (and ancient history but loved it for J Allen).   I'll be on board this year for a move up if they go WR, I'd be excited.

[gonzo1105]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

My thing with Keon is I think you are drafting Gabe Davis again. He is ptobably a better version if Gabe Davis but that is the style of receiver you are getting. A guy who really is going to be 80% downfield routes, who isn't a great separator and who isn't as good as you want him to be in terms of contested catch %.

 

I think he has better hands than Gabe, uses his body a bit better and I think he will run a bit faster (the Bills you will recall were quite pleased Gabe timed slightly slower than expected at mid 4.5s). I expect Keon to be under 4.50 but let's see. High 4.4s. 

 

So he likely is an upgrade on Davis but I think he is the same style of receiver again. I think we need a bit more suddeness and separation. 

I agree to an extent but FSUs offense was really weird this year. I think Coleman has a more advanced route tree than he showed it’s just FSU sent Coleman and Wilson a ton vertically almost force feeding those two despite being 13-0 in the regular season. They basically abandoned in between the hashes a ton this season when they had other dynamic players like Jaheim Bell 

 

I think Coleman is a lot better than Davis as a prospect just was overhyped earlier in the year 

 

[KOKBILLS]

Here we go... 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, gonzo1105 said:

 

I think Coleman is a lot better than Davis as a prospect just was overhyped earlier in the year 

 

 

Yea I have a high 2 on Keon, I had a mid 3 on Gabe so I do think he is clearly better but I think you are drafting the same style of player. Wouldn't be my ideal outcome.

[bills6969]

Coleman is definitely a sleeper pick.  He’s being a bit overlooked due to being a “go up and get it” receiver.  He was one of the better WRs in the country last year and could end up being one of the top WR in the draft when it’s all said and done.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

I think I’m in the minority but I’d be excited about Worthy at 28.

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

My thing with Keon is I think you are drafting Gabe Davis again. He is ptobably a better version if Gabe Davis but that is the style of receiver you are getting. A guy who really is going to be 80% downfield routes, who isn't a great separator and who isn't as good as you want him to be in terms of contested catch %.

 

I think he has better hands than Gabe, uses his body a bit better and I think he will run a bit faster (the Bills you will recall were quite pleased Gabe timed slightly slower than expected at mid 4.5s). I expect Keon to be under 4.50 but let's see. High 4.4s. 

 

So he likely is an upgrade on Davis but I think he is the same style of receiver again. I think we need a bit more suddeness and separation. 

 

I don't think Davis has an alpha bone in his body. He gave up on routes and catches here at an alarming rate. He got bullied at the catch point in contested situations. He almost never fought through contact with the ball in his hands. Davis has been a pure over the top WR and not a great one at that. I don't see the comparison personally.

 

I'm sure his skills will mostly shine on vertical routes, but I could also see him getting fed a bunch of quick slants with his ability to box out defenders and fight through contact. He immediately profiles as a 3rd down and red zone weapon IMO, and still has plenty of room to develop.

 

Wouldn't you say the same thing about Legette? More vertical explosiveness than down to down separation, right?

[gonzo1105]

9 minutes ago, bills6969 said:

Coleman is definitely a sleeper pick.  He’s being a bit overlooked due to being a “go up and get it” receiver.  He was one of the better WRs in the country last year and could end up being one of the top WR in the draft when it’s all said and done.

I actually think him and Mitchell are prob the two WRs they would take at 28. Coleman fits their type of player off the field. Good kid, solid football player, good leader. Had the potential to replace Diggs as the # 1 in a year or two 

[OldTimer1960]

My $.02 worth on Coleman depends on the minute you ask me.  I like his size, power, hands and he is pretty fluid for a guy his size.  But then, he really just doesn’t get open much.  Part of me doesn’t want the Bills to draft him, but I don’t really want to face him, either.

[Turbo44]

12 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

My $.02 worth on Coleman depends on the minute you ask me.  I like his size, power, hands and he is pretty fluid for a guy his size.  But then, he really just doesn’t get open much.  Part of me doesn’t want the Bills to draft him, but I don’t really want to face him, either.

A lot of boom/bust with Coleman 

[DCOrange]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

My thing with Keon is I think you are drafting Gabe Davis again. He is ptobably a better version if Gabe Davis but that is the style of receiver you are getting. A guy who really is going to be 80% downfield routes, who isn't a great separator and who isn't as good as you want him to be in terms of contested catch %.

 

I think he has better hands than Gabe, uses his body a bit better and I think he will run a bit faster (the Bills you will recall were quite pleased Gabe timed slightly slower than expected at mid 4.5s). I expect Keon to be under 4.50 but let's see. High 4.4s. 

 

So he likely is an upgrade on Davis but I think he is the same style of receiver again. I think we need a bit more suddeness and separation. 

I do think he's presently in a similar mold as Gabe (in terms of not being a burner but still giving you most of his value on vertical routes) but simply better; like I think he'll thrive on backshoulder type throws that Gabe wasn't particularly good at in addition to being a weapon down the field. Question is if you can take his youth and develop him/take the elusiveness that he's shown after the catch/on punt returns and unlock some stuff that Gabe unfortunately never did.

 

I think he's one of very few options beyond the top 3 WRs where there's a fairly reasonable track to him turning into a #1 WR. A lot of risk if his contested catches don't translate though.

Edited March 2 by DCOrange

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't think Davis has an alpha bone in his body. He gave up on routes and catches here at an alarming rate. He got bullied at the catch point in contested situations. He almost never fought through contact with the ball in his hands. Davis has been a pure over the top WR and not a great one at that. I don't see the comparison personally.

 

I'm sure his skills will mostly shine on vertical routes, but I could also see him getting fed a bunch of quick slants with his ability to box out defenders and fight through contact. He immediately profiles as a 3rd down and red zone weapon IMO, and still has plenty of room to develop.

 

Wouldn't you say the same thing about Legette? More vertical explosiveness than down to down separation, right?

 

I don't get very wrapped up in the kind of "player X is an alpha" type stuff. I am not sure it really amounts to anything but others may feel differently about that. 

 

Agree he is going to give you better use of his body on slants and other quick in breaking routes. He will body defenders out better than Gabe but you are running the same route you ran with Gabe to do that. He will just do it better. 

 

I do think Coleman would be an upgrade. He just wouldn't be a change of approach IMO.

39 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I do think he's presently in a similar mold as Gabe (in terms of not being a burner but still giving you most of his value on vertical routes) but simply better; like I think he'll thrive on backshoulder type throws that Gabe wasn't particularly good at in addition to being a weapon down the field. Question is if you can take his youth and develop him/take the elusiveness that he's shown after the catch/on punt returns and unlock some stuff that Gabe unfortunately never did.

 

I think he's one of very few options beyond the top 3 WRs where there's a fairly reasonable track to him turning into a #1 WR. A lot of risk if his contested catches don't translate though.

 

Yea don't disagree with any of that. Is he the type of #1 receiver you want for Josh Allen and this offense though? That is where I still need persuading.

[FireChans]

28 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't get very wrapped up in the kind of "player X is an alpha" type stuff. I am not sure it really amounts to anything but others may feel differently about that. 

 

Agree he is going to give you better use of his body on slants and other quick in breaking routes. He will body defenders out better than Gabe but you are running the same route you ran with Gabe to do that. He will just do it better. 

 

I do think Coleman would be an upgrade. He just wouldn't be a change of approach IMO.

 

Yea don't disagree with any of that. Is he the type of #1 receiver you want for Josh Allen and this offense though? That is where I still need persuading.

I am extremely sick of WR’s that can’t separate.

 

Coleman may be a great player. I think he’s a nice prospect. But he isn’t going to demand teams get out of man coverage. 
 

He’s going to beat man sometimes when “nobody’s open.” But teams will still run a lot of man.

 

I want a WR2 who dictates zone that opens up Kincaid and Shakir.