starrymessenger Posted February 29 Posted February 29 49 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I revisited Adonai Mitchell and Brian Thomas today as well. I don't think anything in particular jumped out to make me change my grade on either. So I remain with a mid-1st grade on Thomas' film and factoring in metrics, a mid-2nd round grade. I remain with a late-2nd grade on Mitchell's film and factoring in metrics, he gets moved down to an early 4th. I would tend to stick with the film grades for where I would draft these guys; the metrics is more just for fun to see if it ends up being more accurate that way. One thing in particular I looked for with Mitchell was the way he catches the ball after Steve Smith said that he body catches it 90% of the time. I did not see that at all personally. I do think Mitchell struggles in contested/high pointing situations more than you'd think given his build, but he's absolutely a hands catcher and his hands are quite good. In a number of instances Mitchell holds his hands close to his body. But he still uses his hands to catch. For that reason I (reluctantly) disagreed with Smith. Add to that the fact that there is also plenty of tape of him catching with full extension. Despite the criticism Mitchell is in Smith's top five. High praise given the class. Quote
starrymessenger Posted February 29 Posted February 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dr. Who said: I do think Mitchell is more in play than many here may suspect. I'd still prefer someone with more speed, but he has some good traits. Mitchell is absolutely a downfield threat but I would look for more pure speed from the second receiver I'd want them to come away with. Could be a later round pick or a FA (like Mooney, assuming they are wrong about his commanding 10+ per. Six or seven would be more reasonable). Edited February 29 by starrymessenger 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 29 Posted February 29 3 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: he won’t be available. I must say the thought of getting him & Sweat to continue their dominance here with Ed & I assume DQ would be pretty cool. I don't think he will be either. But it does show that they are doing their homework on 1st Round Defensive Lineman prospects with the amount of meetings we're allocated to. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 29 Posted February 29 Just now, starrymessenger said: Mitchell is absolutely a downfield threat but I would look for more pure speed from the second receiver I'd want them to come away with. Could be a later round pick or a FA (like Mooney, assuming they are wrong about his commending 10+ per. Six or seven would be more reasonable). Replacing Gabe will likely be someone bigger that can play the X WR role. Then there’s replacing Diggs in a year. 2 different types of WRs. 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 29 Posted February 29 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Replacing Gabe will likely be someone bigger that can play the X WR role. Then there’s replacing Diggs in a year. 2 different types of WRs. Yet your guy is Xavier Worthy? 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 29 Posted February 29 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Yet your guy is Xavier Worthy? He’d be replacing Diggs. 1 Quote
starrymessenger Posted February 29 Posted February 29 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Replacing Gabe will likely be someone bigger that can play the X WR role. Then there’s replacing Diggs in a year. 2 different types of WRs. Mitchell can for sure line up on the line and on the boundary. Thing is he's actually versatile, which means he can also run other than vertical routes. I see that as a good thing even if other guys can function underneath. He's also a good blocker and most analysts expect him to add 15-20 lbs. Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 29 Posted February 29 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: He’d be replacing Diggs. If Diggs is still on the roster come St.Patrick’s day, he isn’t being traded regardless of him being here or not, I want 2 WR’s at minimum drafted. Preferably both before Round 3 ends 1 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted February 29 Posted February 29 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: If Diggs is still on the roster come St.Patrick’s day, he isn’t being traded regardless of him being here or not, I want 2 WR’s at minimum drafted. Preferably both before Round 3 ends You might want that .. but it’s unlikely to happen…( 2 before end of Round 3) Edited February 29 by Aussie Joe 1 2 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 29 Posted February 29 Just now, Aussie Joe said: You might want that .. but it’s unlikely to happen… All things being equal, I’d rather keep Diggs. I’m just skeptical of his actual relationship with the Bills and Allen. I also didn’t care for how he was used the last half dozen games. Why not utilize his strengths more? Joe Brady better get that right 1 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted February 29 Posted February 29 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: All things being equal, I’d rather keep Diggs. I’m just skeptical of his actual relationship with the Bills and Allen. I also didn’t care for how he was used the last half dozen games. Why not utilize his strengths more? Joe Brady better get that right I think Diggs is 99 percent here in 2024…not even worth considering otherwise as they are handcuffed to him … I was referring to you wanting two WR in the top 3 picks … seems a bit of a waste with them wanting to play more 12 and with Shakir and I think they get a cheap guy in FA as well… Take another guy Day 3 sure … Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 29 Posted February 29 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: If Diggs is still on the roster come St.Patrick’s day, he isn’t being traded regardless of him being here or not, I want 2 WR’s at minimum drafted. Preferably both before Round 3 ends I think they’ll draft 2 pretty early. I think the Bills should line Diggs up more in the slot next year anyway. I was a big fan of Tank Dell last year. I see Worthy as a better version of Tank Dell. 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 29 Posted February 29 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I think Diggs is 99 percent here in 2024…not even worth considering otherwise as they are handcuffed to him … I was referring to you wanting two WR in the top 3 picks … seems a bit of a waste with them wanting to play more 12 and with Shakir and I think they get a cheap guy in FA as well… Take another guy Day 3 sure … Diggs _______ _______ Shakir - slot Harty? (Possible cut) Shorter? (Who knows) You’re currently looking at 2 WR’s on the active roster that will for sure dress on gameday we should at least be adding a player like Curtis Samuel + drafting 2 Edited February 29 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 29 Posted February 29 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I think Diggs is 99 percent here in 2024…not even worth considering otherwise as they are handcuffed to him … I was referring to you wanting two WR in the top 3 picks … seems a bit of a waste with them wanting to play more 12 and with Shakir and I think they get a cheap guy in FA as well… Take another guy Day 3 sure … Hopefully 12 is over, at least as a base offense. Garbage. Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 29 Posted February 29 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Hopefully 12 is over, at least as a base offense. Garbage. I agree. I want to see way more 11 & 10 Kincaid can be a “Flex WR” in either package Allen was unstoppable with Diggs, Brown, Beasley + Sanders Edited February 29 by Warriorspikes51 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted February 29 Posted February 29 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Diggs _______ _______ Shakir - slot Harty? (Possible cut) Shorter? (Who knows) You’re currently looking at 2 WR’s on the active roster that will for sure dress on gameday we should at least be adding a player like Curtis Samuel + drafting 2 We have no idea what Shorter brings to the table … can he be an upgrade on Sherfield’s 11 catches ? it’s not outrageous to suggest he can I think between the high draft pick ( Rounds 1-2) and the FA they can improve on Davis and Harty’s production…this would be the hope anyway … I also want Shakir to get more opportunities and I’m sure they are going to play Knox and Kincaid plenty as well … Room for a guy in the 3rd Round guy as well? Edited February 29 by Aussie Joe Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 29 Posted February 29 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He’d be replacing Diggs. Yeah, but we won't be replacing Diggs this year. And we have to replace Davis this year. So..... ? And with the way Beane talked about not wanting big dead cap hits, it's not a guarantee he'll want to get rid of Diggs next year either. Especially if, finally given a quality WR opposite him that can roll less coverage his way, he has a really good season. Worthy is going to cost at least a mid 2nd Round Pick, if not our 1st. And we'll be using that to fill the hole at WR2 this season. Not a potential hole at WR1 next season. At most I see us grabbing a guy to replace Davis in Round 1 and then doubling down in mid Rounds to bolster our core to a point where if we do have to move on from Diggs next year, we hopefully have two solid guys for the future. And if he has to next season and both guys don't work out, we'll Draft another guy in 2025 for that role or sign a guy when we're actually in halfway decent shape cap wise. But I don't see a scenario where Beane is focusing on replacing Diggs this season. I don't believe he's sure he's going to right now. 19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I think they’ll draft 2 pretty early. I think the Bills should line Diggs up more in the slot next year anyway. I was a big fan of Tank Dell last year. I see Worthy as a better version of Tank Dell. I see the best case scenario for WR in the Draft being 1 in Round 1 and another at the bottom of Round 3 or top of Round 4, in a trade up from 4. I don't see him doing 2 in the first 3 picks and I really don't see 2 in the first 2 picks. And maybe they do line up Diggs in the slot a little more. But he's going to be on the perimeter WAY more often than not. We have two very good slots in Shakir and Kincaid. We don't have the Outside guys to take one of them off the field and stick someone else on the Outside. Edited February 29 by BillsFanForever19 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 29 Posted February 29 20 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Diggs _______ _______ Shakir - slot Harty? (Possible cut) Shorter? (Who knows) You’re currently looking at 2 WR’s on the active roster that will for sure dress on gameday we should at least be adding a player like Curtis Samuel + drafting 2 Hey, now you're cooking with your feet on the ground, WarriorSpikes! Curtis Samuel to me is the top end of something we can feasibly do in FA. Take him, put him with Diggs, a 1st Round Pick, and a double down later - to go with Shakir and Kincaid and we got something. Diggs (Round 1 or Trade up from Round 2) Shakir (Slot) Samuel (or likewise FA) (Round 4 - Possible trade up into 3) Shorter That's how I see it playing out this year. 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 29 Posted February 29 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Yeah, but we won't be replacing Diggs this year. And we have to replace Davis this year. So..... ? And with the way Beane talked about not wanting big dead cap hits, it's not a guarantee he'll want to get rid of Diggs next year either. Especially if, finally given a quality WR opposite him that can roll less coverage his way, he has a really good season. Worthy is going to cost at least a mid 2nd Round Pick, if not our 1st. And we'll be using that to fill the hole at WR2 this season. Not a potential hole at WR1 next season. At most I see us grabbing a guy to replace Davis in Round 1 and then doubling down in mid Rounds to bolster our core to a point where if we do have to move on from Diggs next year, we hopefully have two solid guys for the future. And if he has to next season and both guys don't work out, we'll Draft another guy in 2025 for that role or sign a guy when we're actually in halfway decent shape cap wise. But I don't see a scenario where Beane is focusing on replacing Diggs this season. I don't believe he's sure he's going to right now. I see the best case scenario for WR in the Draft being 1 in Round 1 and another at the bottom of Round 3 or top of Round 4, in a trade up from 4. I don't see him doing 2 in the first 3 picks and I really don't see 2 in the first 2 picks. And maybe they do line up Diggs in the slot a little more. But he's going to be on the perimeter WAY more often than not. We have two very good slots in Shakir and Kincaid. We don't have the Outside guys to take one of them off the field and stick someone else on the Outside. We have to remember what the goal at WR is. It’s to find a WR1, not replace Gabe Davis. Let’s say their 1st round WR isn’t immediately a starter, let’s not go crazy. Maybe he plays 40-50% of the snaps in multiple WR positions. Lets not get upset. They could replace Gabe in free agency. Edited February 29 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 1 Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted February 29 Posted February 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I think they’ll draft 2 pretty early. I think the Bills should line Diggs up more in the slot next year anyway. I was a big fan of Tank Dell last year. I see Worthy as a better version of Tank Dell. Tank Dell was injured during critical part of the season. I'd like a more physical WR that can contribute the entire season. One that can take the NFL punishment Edited February 29 by Solomon Grundy Quote
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