2024 WR Draft Class

[Buffalo_Stampede]

52 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Let’s see how fast he really is.  I’m not sure great hands applies to him - I’m not implying he has bad hands, but I haven’t seen anyone saying he has great hands, either.  Didn’t he catch a lot of screens just to get the ball into his hands? 
 

I am not saying that Corley is no good, but rather I don’t see him as savior of the Bills’ passing offense and a deep threat.  Of course, I could be wrong.

I think the Bills want to be a WR screen offense. A lot of short passes.

[OldTimer1960]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I think the Bills want to be a WR screen offense. A lot of short passes.

You may be right, I don’t know.

[BillsFanForever19]

9 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

So who you got at 60 if they go DL Round 1 ?

 

If we go DL Round 1, which would be a surprise to me, I don't think we'll sit pat at 60. We'd trade up for a guy who's left on the board after Round 1.

 

Outside of the first 3 guys who DEF won't be available to us, I have it as Thomas Jr., Legette (I'm higher on him than most), Franklin, Coleman, and Mitchell in that order.

 

I expect 2-3 of those 5 guys to come off the board by the end of Round 1, Thomas Jr. definitely. It gets a little muddy after that. Hopefully some guys that I don't think fit us like McConkey, Worthy, and Corley also go before some of the other guys on the list.

 

So, yeah, if we did go DL Round 1, which again I don't see happening (we can get quality DL help much easier in FA than we can get at WR) - we'd be playing the "who's left?" game and trading up from 60 to grab them.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I think the Bills want to be a WR screen offense. A lot of short passes.

We should be a throw it anywhere on the field offense. Screens, quick slants, deep post, GO routes

Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

If we go DL Round 1, which would be a surprise to me, I don't think we'll sit pat at 60. We'd trade up for a guy who's left on the board after Round 1.

 

Outside of the first 3 guys who DEF won't be available to us, I have it as Thomas Jr., Legette (I'm higher on him than most), Franklin, Coleman, and Mitchell in that order.

 

I expect 2-3 of those 5 guys to come off the board by the end of Round 1, Thomas Jr. definitely. It gets a little muddy after that. Hopefully some guys that I don't think fit us like McConkey, Worthy, and Corley also go before some of the other guys on the list.

 

So, yeah, if we did go DL Round 1, which again I don't see happening (we can get quality DL help much easier in FA than we can get at WR) - we'd be playing the "who's left?" game and trading up from 60 to grab them.

hasn’t Worthy mostly played outside though??  He seems to be a very good tracker of the football in the air. Something we really don’t have much of. That along with his game breaking speed certainly puts him on the list of players we could take

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

We should be a throw it anywhere on the field offense. Screens, quick slants, deep post, GO routes

I think they believe the way to beat the 2 high safety looks they get is short quick passes with YAC and run the football. Then take 1-2 shots when the defense comes up.

 

Its one of the reasons I believe Diggs is going to have down year and isn’t a fit for Joe Brady.

[Warriorspikes51]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I think they believe the way to beat the 2 high safety looks they get is short quick passes with YAC and run the football. Then take 1-2 shots when the defense comes up.

 

Its one of the reasons I believe Diggs is going to have down year and isn’t a fit for Joe Brady.

having enough of a threat or threats with speed besides Diggs would certainly help him be more productive overall.

 

If Brady insists on trying to use Diggs on screens, it’s going to be a failure. 
 

Diggs is a MASTER on inside/outside slants. Why we don’t use him way more in that area is a mystery.

[Dr.Sack]

Assuming we draft a WR in the first or second round, I still think we draft one more WR.
 

I’m curious TBD thoughts on mid-rounders WRs. WRs I like the most in that spot are; Jacob Cowing, Jalen Coker, Jermaine Burton. Lots of Js to keep track of. 

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Dr.Sack said:

Assuming we draft a WR in the first or second round, I still think we draft one more WR.
 

I’m curious TBD thoughts on mid-rounders WRs. WRs I like the most in that spot are; Jacob Cowing, Jalen Coker, Jermaine Burton. Lots of Js to keep track of. 

 

 

this class has so many good options I would go rogue and draft WR in each of the first 3 rounds. If 2 hit, you’re really good there. If all 3 hit…your offense is terrifying for years

 

of course that won’t happen.  
 

I don’t even trust Beane and Sean enough to take a WR in the early rounds

[CNYfan]

19 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

If we go DL Round 1, which would be a surprise to me, I don't think we'll sit pat at 60. We'd trade up for a guy who's left on the board after Round 1.

 

Outside of the first 3 guys who DEF won't be available to us, I have it as Thomas Jr., Legette (I'm higher on him than most), Franklin, Coleman, and Mitchell in that order.

 

I expect 2-3 of those 5 guys to come off the board by the end of Round 1, Thomas Jr. definitely. It gets a little muddy after that. Hopefully some guys that I don't think fit us like McConkey, Worthy, and Corley also go before some of the other guys on the list.

 

So, yeah, if we did go DL Round 1, which again I don't see happening (we can get quality DL help much easier in FA than we can get at WR) - we'd be playing the "who's left?" game and trading up from 60 to grab them.

I disagree.  I tend to think it will be DL in Round 1, and then probably WR in Round 2.  I do not doubt the possibility of a trade up in R2  

[BillsFanForever19]

23 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

We should be a throw it anywhere on the field offense. Screens, quick slants, deep post, GO routes

hasn’t Worthy mostly played outside though??  He seems to be a very good tracker of the football in the air. Something we really don’t have much of. That along with his game breaking speed certainly puts him on the list of players we could take

 

Only 60% Outside last season. 

 

He's not a TRUE Slot like Corley, but he's not a true Outside guy either - which is what we're in the market for. He's someone who you need to put all over the place between Slot, Outside, and Return.

 

Not a guy that you stick on the Outside and call it a day, which is what we're looking for - with a hole there and Slot covered by Shakir and Kincaid (one would have to come off the field for Worthy there) and Return covered by Harty and/or Hines (at least one will be here)

 

Combine that with the fact that, as Steve Smith put it, "he's 170 lbs after eating Thanksgiving dinner" and has adequate, but not great height - he just doesn't check nearly enough of the "boxes" for Davis' replacement. And Beane is a boxes guy.

 

Yes, he wants explosiveness. But as I was saying, don't take that as him saying it's the ONLY thing that matters. We can get speed and explosiveness in guys who are taller and/or more physically built and more importantly than that - true Outside WR's and not a swiss army knife, Jack of all trades - master of none type.

[BBFL]

19 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Assuming we draft a WR in the first or second round, I still think we draft one more WR.
 

I’m curious TBD thoughts on mid-rounders WRs. WRs I like the most in that spot are; Jacob Cowing, Jalen Coker, Jermaine Burton. Lots of Js to keep track of. 

 

 

Cowing and Burton are very interesting prospects that could turn into gold or be an absolute bust. I guess that’s the same with any prospect though… 

 

McMillian (Washington) & Walker (North Carolina) are two guys outside the consensus top 5/6 guys I am keeping an eye on. Think they’re in the same grouping as Cowing & Burton. 

[Warriorspikes51]

12 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Only 60% Outside last season. 

 

He's not a TRUE Slot like Corley, but he's not a true Outside guy either - which is what we're in the market for. He's someone who you need to put all over the place between Slot, Outside, and Return.

 

Not a guy that you stick on the Outside and call it a day, which is what we're looking for - with a hole there and Slot covered by Shakir and Kincaid (one would have to come off the field for Worthy there) and Return covered by Harty and/or Hines (at least one will be here)

 

Combine that with the fact that, as Steve Smith put it, "he's 170 lbs after eating Thanksgiving dinner" and has adequate, but not great height - he just doesn't check nearly enough of the "boxes" for Davis' replacement. And Beane is a boxes guy.

 

Yes, he wants explosiveness. But as I was saying, don't take that as him saying it's the ONLY thing that matters. We can get speed and explosiveness in guys who are taller and/or more physically built and more importantly than that - true Outside WR's and not a swiss army knife, Jack of all trades - master of none type.

I mean we could move both Diggs and Worthy around.  Put him in motion too.  I’d be thrilled with him in Round 2. Especially if we managed to pull Brian Thomas in Round 1

[BillsFanForever19]

24 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I mean we could move both Diggs and Worthy around.  Put him in motion too.  I’d be thrilled with him in Round 2. Especially if we managed to pull Brian Thomas in Round 1

 

If we were to get another true Outside WR that we could trust, maybe he'd be more of a consideration for me. 

 

But that's the crux of the issue. I don't see Beane taking a WR in Round 1 or Round 2 that we have to get creative with. And I don't see us double dipping in Round 1 AND Round 2. Too many holes to fill on the roster and not enough money to do it with. And if we have to trade up for Thomas (which is likely) we're DEFINITELY not going back to back in Round 1 and Round 2. We're not waiting until Round 4 to address every other position but WR.

 

Beane's looking for a sure fire, stick on the boundary pretty much exclusively and call it a day type. We're looking for a guy to replace Gabe Davis. Not a guy that we have to remove Kincaid or Shakir from the field to get him out there close to half of the time.

 

If Worthy were available in late Round 3 or 4 and we were able to snag a guy like Thomas, Franklin, Legette, or Coleman to cover WR2 without trading up - sure. Pull the trigger.

 

But that won't be an option. You can get a guy like Thomas, Franklin, or Legette that can give you speed and explosiveness without being a projection as a full time Island guy or giving up height and/or physical build.

 

Hell, Franklin takes some flack for being too small for the Outside. And even he has 20+ pounds on Worthy, 2 inches in height, much more outside usage, and only gives up .05 on the 40.

Edited February 27 by BillsFanForever19

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

If we were to get another true Outside WR that we could trust, maybe he'd be more of a consideration for me. 

 

But that's the crux of the issue. I don't see Beane taking a WR in Round 1 or Round 2 that we have to get creative with. And I don't see us double dipping in Round 1 AND Round 2. Too many holes to fill on the roster and not enough money to do it with. And if we have to trade up for Thomas (which is likely) we're DEFINITELY not going back to back in Round 1 and Round 2. We're not waiting until Round 4 to address every other position but WR.

 

Beane's looking for a sure fire, stick on the boundary pretty much exclusively and call it a day type. We're looking for a guy to replace Gabe Davis. Not a guy that we have to remove Kincaid or Shakir from the field to get him out on the field close to half of the time.

 

If Worthy were available in late Round 3 or 4 and we were able to snag a guy like Thomas, Franklin, Legette, or Coleman to cover WR2 without trading up - sure. Pull the trigger.

 

But that won't be an option. You can get a guy like Thomas, Franklin, or Legette that can give you speed and explosiveness without being a projection as a full time Island guy or giving up height and/or physical build.

 

Hell, Franklin takes some flack for being too small for the Outside. And even he has 20+ pounds on Worthy, 2 inches in height, much more outside usage, and only gives up .05 on the 40.

as you know I’d be thrilled with any of the above (except Coleman) but, Worthy is capable of creating lots of separation + his speed and ball tracking and IMO underrated competitiveness and taking on defenders makes him very attractive

 

here you go😉 got it on my first try today

 

[Warriorspikes51]

20 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Beane's looking for a sure fire, stick on the boundary pretty much exclusively and call it a day type. We're looking for a guy to replace Gabe Davis. Not a guy that we have to remove Kincaid or Shakir from the field to get him out there close to half of the time.

 

While this could be the case, I have not heard him specify that. He did mention wanting explosive speed and a guy who can turn a 5 yard pass into a 55 yard TD.

 

Don’t worry though! I got us both in my 1 mock of the day😎

Edited February 27 by Warriorspikes51

[The Jokeman]

3 hours ago, DJB said:

I keep saying it over and over again in this thread. A Mitchell

 

Now I prefer Thomas and Franklin but I really think Mitchell could be the guy 

Mitchell is intriguing for sure. My sleeper for a Round 4 or lower guy is Cornelius Johnson as he might be a pure burner but he's got size, shows he can get contested catches and can break free from time to time.

[BillsFanForever19]

59 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

as you know I’d be thrilled with any of the above (except Coleman) but, Worthy is capable of creating lots of separation + his speed and ball tracking and IMO underrated competitiveness and taking on defenders makes him very attractive

 

here you go😉 got it on my first try today

 

 

The philosophical difference between you and me is that your posts are based solely on what you'd like and what you would do (even if it's downright impossible).

 

My posts are based more on what I think Beane would do, based on his words and track record of addressing needs via the Draft and Free Agency and how he manages the cap.

 

In 2022, we were in a similar position at CB that we are at WR. And we were in a better position cap wise and roster wise than we are this year. He took Elam in Round 1 and for the double dip, he waited until Round 6 with Benford.

 

On the flip side in your favor, he did take Greg Rousseau in Round 1 and then took Boogie Basham in Round 2 in 2021. But the difference between that season, what we did in 2022, and this season is that we had decent cap space and spent a lot of money that year filling all of our other holes to a point where we could afford to do that.

 

I'm not a guy who thinks we should go DL in Round 1 like many others. But I also simply don't see a scenario where he spends 28 and 60 on one single position this season. Especially in a scenario where he's giving up picks in Rounds 3 or 4 to trade up to address that position already.

 

51 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

While this could be the case, I have not heard him specify that.  He did mention wanting explosive speed and a guy who take turn a 5 yard pass into a 55 yard pass into a 55 yard TD

 

See, I knew you were going to do this. Hear that and ignore everything else.

 

I'll have to wait and see the full Presser for the whole context and quote. But much like McDermott, I'd imagine he's replying to a specific question about it from Sal and not just going off about it himself. I'm POSITIVE if he was asked what he's looking for in a WR and not just "are you looking for explosiveness" - you wouldn't hear him say "just explosiveness - that's it. I don't care about anything else".

 

Beane ALWAYS takes guys who are athletic specimens and checks not just one box he's looking for, but as close to all of them as he can. He'll even take guys who are considered more developmental projects (like Edmunds, Elam, Rousseau) that have great size and/or measurements and he sees fitting what he looks for in the position before taking guys who have better college tape.

 

You don't have to hear him say what he's looking for to replace Gabe Davis to know what he's looking for. Yes, he is looking for speed and explosiveness. But if they don't have the adequate measurements or don't have the adequate usage and application in College to fit the role - it doesn't matter. 

 

And Worthy, as fun as he looks (btw how much of the highlight reel that you're drooling over with him is Special Teams?) - does not check enough other boxes to fit WR2, possible future #1. He's a gadget type playmaker that doesn't have close to full time Outside usage. That's what we're looking for exclusively. Not a guy that we'd have to remove Shakir or Kincaid from the field close to half of the time.

 

If Worthy had more usage on the outside and had better size, it wouldn't be a question. He'd be up there with Thomas Jr. There's a reason he's looked at as a mid to late 2nd Round guy. And those reasons disqualify him in my eyes as a potential WR2 for a Brandon Beane led office.

Edited February 27 by BillsFanForever19

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, BBFL said:

Cowing and Burton are very interesting prospects that could turn into gold or be an absolute bust. I guess that’s the same with any prospect though… 

 

McMillian (Washington) & Walker (North Carolina) are two guys outside the consensus top 5/6 guys I am keeping an eye on. Think they’re in the same grouping as Cowing & Burton. 

Walker is a guy I'd hope fall to round 2 but he might not fall that far down.

[BBFL]

3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Walker is a guy I'd hope fall to round 2 but he might not fall that far down.

Do you think if he tests well he goes into the Franklin/Ladd/Worthy grouping?

[OldTimer1960]

19 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Walker is a guy I'd hope fall to round 2 but he might not fall that far down.

I think Walker will be available at 60.  He didn’t do himself any favors Senior bowl week.