Warriorspikes51 Posted February 7 Posted February 7 57 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: Like Ladd, Mitchell is being underrated by people here and in the media. They guy is fantastic. The Adonai teamed with Bowers and McConkey to help UGA win two National Championships catching key passes to help win both games. In fact, he has played in 5 CFP games and caught a TD pass in each one. He is big, quick, has fantastic hands, and knows how to get open. I will be thrilled if the Bills took him at 28. He is a twice as good version of Gabe Davis. Mitchell transferred to Texas to be closer to his daughter. By the way here are the UGA's players who caught a pass in the 2022 CFP Championship game. Bowers (2024 draft 1st rd grade), George Pickens (Steelers), Adonai Mitchell (2024 draft 1/2 rd grade), James Cook (Bills), Darnell Washington (Steelers), James Burton (2024 draft 2nd rd grade), Kearis Jackson (Titans), Kenny McIntosh (Seahawks) and Ladd McConkey (2024 draft 1/2 rd grade). No player caught more than 4 passes in that game. Not a bad collection of talent. that is very interesting and impressive. Thanks! Quote
947 Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Any analysis on Ricky Pearsall? I'd much rather have him than Worthy. Quote
DCOrange Posted February 7 Posted February 7 On 2/6/2024 at 1:52 PM, DCOrange said: I’ve gone through a handful today as well. I would probably stack them up this way (where I’d be comfortable taking them in parentheses) Brian Thomas (Mid 1st) Troy Franklin (1st) Keon Coleman (1st) Ladd McConkey (Early 2nd) Roman Wilson (Mid 2nd) Brenden Rice (2nd) Adonai Mitchell (Late 2/Early 3) Xavier Legette (3rd) Jamari Thrash (Day 3) Tez Walker (Day 3) Xavier Worthy (Late Day 3/UDFA) Some others I finished up since this post (can you tell work has been extremely slow?): Ricky Pearsall (Early or Mid 2), below McConkey and could be convinced to bump him below Polk/Wilson due to his age but I think his film is better than those two Ja’Lynn Polk (Mid 2nd), probably above Roman Wilson Malachi Corley (Late 3rd or Early Day 3), would slot him after Legette. Don’t think he’s really what we need as he played almost exclusively in the slot and is raw as a route runner. Impressive athlete and solid hands though; a lot of areas for potential improvement Jalen McMillan (UDFA), he’d be last on my list so far. Just don’t think he really has anything to offer. 1 Quote
mrags Posted February 7 Posted February 7 14 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Some others I finished up since this post (can you tell work has been extremely slow?): Ricky Pearsall (Early or Mid 2), below McConkey and could be convinced to bump him below Polk/Wilson due to his age but I think his film is better than those two Ja’Lynn Polk (Mid 2nd), probably above Roman Wilson Malachi Corley (Late 3rd or Early Day 3), would slot him after Legette. Don’t think he’s really what we need as he played almost exclusively in the slot and is raw as a route runner. Impressive athlete and solid hands though; a lot of areas for potential improvement Jalen McMillan (UDFA), he’d be last on my list so far. Just don’t think he really has anything to offer. Curious where you stand on Johnny Wilson, Jermaine Burton, and Tahj Washington. All 3 are completely different I feel like. But all have a spot for this team imo. I get that Washington is similar to Corley and slides more into the slot role. At the same time I see the team ridding themselves of Harty and needing not only a backup for Shakir but for the gadget role. I think a late rounder on Washington makes sense. it’s also why I like RB Jawhar Jordan. They have talked about needing more speed and explosiveness, both of these guys have that and both seem to be available in the mid to late rounds of the draft. Quote
transplantbillsfan Posted February 7 Posted February 7 I realize it's fun to pick through and choose "our guys," but in this draft, I don't know if Beane can really go wrong as long as he drafts a WR in the 1st and 2nd round and another later. We have Josh ***** Allen... he's going to make whatever WR we draft a stud. 1 Quote
NeverOutNick Posted February 7 Posted February 7 17 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I realize it's fun to pick through and choose "our guys," but in this draft, I don't know if Beane can really go wrong as long as he drafts a WR in the 1st and 2nd round and another later. We have Josh ***** Allen... he's going to make whatever WR we draft a stud. How you going to roll your eyes at my comment and then basically say the same thing 😂 Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted February 8 Posted February 8 The Draft Network thinks Troy Franklin is a PERFECT fit for the Bills. Thinks he's a perfect compliment to Diggs 2 Quote
NewEra Posted February 8 Posted February 8 2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: The Draft Network thinks Troy Franklin is a PERFECT fit for the Bills. Thinks he's a perfect compliment to Diggs I can’t see him getting by Dallas Quote
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 8 Posted February 8 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: I can’t see him getting by Dallas We do have a recent history of jumping them in the first round… 2 Quote
NeverOutNick Posted February 8 Posted February 8 6 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: The Draft Network thinks Troy Franklin is a PERFECT fit for the Bills. Thinks he's a perfect compliment to Diggs He’s basically a younger, faster, bigger Diggs. Would be happy if he fell to us Quote
EmotionallyUnstable Posted February 8 Posted February 8 I think I have Stockholm syndrome. The more I read about the WRs that likely will be available at 28, the more I am thinking they should take the best defensive lineman available. 2nd round WR in 2024 1sr round WR in 2025 Tell me I’m sick. This is what happens after years of abuse. Quote
Aussie Joe Posted February 8 Posted February 8 (edited) 24 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: I think I have Stockholm syndrome. The more I read about the WRs that likely will be available at 28, the more I am thinking they should take the best defensive lineman available. 2nd round WR in 2024 1sr round WR in 2025 Tell me I’m sick. This is what happens after years of abuse. what DL are going to be available at 28? A number of the few Round 1 grades are going before that pick too… Edited February 8 by Aussie Joe Quote
EmotionallyUnstable Posted February 8 Posted February 8 9 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: what DL are going to be available at 28? A number of the few Round 1 grades are going before that pick too… No clue. I just am trying to be cautious of falling into overdrafting a player for need, a la Elam. Maybe it’s a DE, or a Safety at 28….not sure. I just question if OBD is as locked in on WR at 28 as the fan base seems to be Quote
Aussie Joe Posted February 8 Posted February 8 2 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: No clue. I just am trying to be cautious of falling into overdrafting a player for need, a la Elam. Maybe it’s a DE, or a Safety at 28….not sure. I just question if OBD is as locked in on WR at 28 as the fan base seems to be good point about Elam… No doubt Beane thought they had to have a CB with that pick… Maybe be learnt something from that as demonstrated with the Kincaid pick … a player that did fall …Beane picked him when they had other needs … No one can really answer what they should do at 28 this year ..because we don’t know what players will be available … even trading down should be on the table … 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 8 Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: good point about Elam… No doubt Beane thought they had to have a CB with that pick… Maybe be learnt something from that as demonstrated with the Kincaid pick … a player that did fall …Beane picked him when they had other needs … No one can really answer what they should do at 28 this year ..because we don’t know what players will be available … even trading down should be on the table … He did need a CB, but it's not like he just settled on Elam and over drafted him based solely on need. He was the guy that he liked. There were other CB's like Roger McCreary, Kyler Gordon, and Andrew Booth on the board. He traded up for Elam because that's who he wanted. It just didn't work out. You're always drafting for need. Specifically in Round 1. Every team goes into a Draft looking to fill holes. You just hope that value matches up with your need. When it comes to Kincaid, it's also not like he went into it hoping for WR and pivoted to another position completely when value didn't meet need. Kincaid is basically a TE in name only. He's a big slot WR. We needed a weapon and he was the best receiving prospect left on the board. He just so happens to technically be a Tight End. The scary thing about this Draft if you're hoping for a Round 1 WR is that we have so many needs this year. We need starters at WR, DE, DT, and Safety (maybe two if we move on from Poyer). On one hand, that's good when it comes to value in our pick. With so many needs, odds are pretty good someone at a position of need will have fallen. On the other, if you're hoping for WR and the value isn't there and someone's sticking out like a sore thumb at another position of need - we may go that way instead of trying to trade down to meet value and need at WR. If that situation happens, hopefully we can trade up in Round 2 to get the WR we need. 1 Quote
mrags Posted February 8 Posted February 8 3 hours ago, NeverOutNick said: How you going to roll your eyes at my comment and then basically say the same thing 😂 Right. I had a mock draft in another thread that someone vomitted over. I thought it Was a pretty good draft honestly. Ended up with Franklin, Van Pran, another 2 WRs later in the draft. Some help at S and DT. 2 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: I think I have Stockholm syndrome. The more I read about the WRs that likely will be available at 28, the more I am thinking they should take the best defensive lineman available. 2nd round WR in 2024 1sr round WR in 2025 Tell me I’m sick. This is what happens after years of abuse. You’re not sick. With McDermott and his love and need for defensive players to contend, it’s likely imo. 2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: what DL are going to be available at 28? A number of the few Round 1 grades are going before that pick too… Sweat? Quote
EmotionallyUnstable Posted February 8 Posted February 8 9 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: He did need a CB, but it's not like he just settled on Elam and over drafted him based solely on need. He was the guy that he liked. There were other CB's like Roger McCreary, Kyler Gordon, and Andrew Booth on the board. He traded up for Elam because that's who he wanted. It just didn't work out. You're always drafting for need. Specifically in Round 1. Every team goes into a Draft looking to fill holes. You just hope that value matches up with your need. When it comes to Kincaid, it's also not like he went into it hoping for WR and pivoted to another position completely when value didn't meet need. Kincaid is basically a TE in name only. He's a big slot WR. We needed a weapon and he was the best receiving prospect left on the board. He just so happens to technically be a Tight End. The scary thing about this Draft if you're hoping for a Round 1 WR is that we have so many needs this year. We need starters at WR, DE, DT, and Safety (maybe two if we move on from Poyer). On one hand, that's good when it comes to value in our pick. With so many needs, odds are pretty good someone at a position of need will have fallen. On the other, if you're hoping for WR and the value isn't there and someone's sticking out like a sore thumb at another position of need - we may go that way instead of trying to trade down to meet value and need at WR. If that situation happens, hopefully we can trade up in Round 2 to get the WR we need. Agree with the bolded. I do think the Elam pick was a bit of a panic selection. That draft saw two top picks at CB (Stingley/Gardner) and the Chiefs jumped us for McDuffie. They certainly could have went elsewhere with that pick, but we were constantly mocked and projected a CB. Kincaid was similar IMO in that a string of pass catchers went 4 WRs right in a row almost exactly before our pick. You can argue he was the next best, or is the best TE, or not even a tight end or whatever you want. Fact of the matter is he plays (or at least has) limited snaps in terms of what you’d hope to see from an investment of that caliber. The player they’re replacing in Davis was a 90+ % snaps guy. Is the new WR going to take a bulk of those? Will they be absorbed elsewhere? I hate to see a reach on a WR because we feel a void from Davis, especially if there are other options available who can contribute at a higher level, more regularly, even if on the defensive side of the ball. Do we want the 6th best WR in round one playing 90% of offensive snaps? Or do you take a lesser talent in RD 2 who earns 60% of snaps and that other 30% is going to existing guys like Shakir and Kincaid? If it’s the latter, taking a guy in RD1 who can play 100% of defensive snaps (safety) or become a key piece in your regular DL rotation might be the way they go. Quote
mrags Posted February 8 Posted February 8 3 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Agree with the bolded. I do think the Elam pick was a bit of a panic selection. That draft saw two top picks at CB (Stingley/Gardner) and the Chiefs jumped us for McDuffie. They certainly could have went elsewhere with that pick, but we were constantly mocked and projected a CB. Kincaid was similar IMO in that a string of pass catchers went 4 WRs right in a row almost exactly before our pick. You can argue he was the next best, or is the best TE, or not even a tight end or whatever you want. Fact of the matter is he plays (or at least has) limited snaps in terms of what you’d hope to see from an investment of that caliber. The player they’re replacing in Davis was a 90+ % snaps guy. Is the new WR going to take a bulk of those? Will they be absorbed elsewhere? I hate to see a reach on a WR because we feel a void from Davis, especially if there are other options available who can contribute at a higher level, more regularly, even if on the defensive side of the ball. Do we want the 6th best WR in round one playing 90% of offensive snaps? Or do you take a lesser talent in RD 2 who earns 60% of snaps and that other 30% is going to existing guys like Shakir and Kincaid? If it’s the latter, taking a guy in RD1 who can play 100% of defensive snaps (safety) or become a key piece in your regular DL rotation might be the way they go. This makes a ton of sense unless you have a WR there that may be the 6th one taken but has all the potential of becoming a true #1 in the future. Just because they might not be ready this season to take the reins as a full time #2, doesn’t mean they couldn’t become a true 1 within the next 2-3 years. IMO that’s what they need to do in this draft, find a guy that can take over as the #1 eventually, pushing Diggs or even a later round WR to #2 in the future. I think guys like Thomas and Franklin are close enough to being ready right away. Guys like Mitchell, Walker, Rice could be that with time. 1 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted February 8 Posted February 8 17 minutes ago, mrags said: Sweat? Yes … he will likely be there at 28…that’s a little high for me at the moment …although I do like him as a prospect Quote
mrags Posted February 8 Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: Yes … he will likely be there at 28…that’s a little high for me at the moment …although I do like him as a prospect So what I would say is this, the position is definitely a need. So is WR. If Thomas, Franklin are gone by 28 then trade back some spots with someone, pick up an extra 3rd rounder or maybe more. Then take Sweat around the 40s. Leaving your 2nd round pick and the extra 3rd round pick for the best available WRs at that point. Might have a shot at 2 guys like McConkey, Mitchell, Legette, Worthy, Polk, Walker 2 Quote
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