2024 WR Draft Class

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17 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Next year’s first might not even be worth pick 41 in this draft.  You are unlikely to get 41+ more for it.  It’s poor business overall trading future picks.

I know where you stand on this, but in my gut BB is gonna produce 2 extra picks and look to stock the cupboard. And how is he gonna achieve that?

It sure as Hell ain't gonna be by using late round picks.  They wouldn't get us to 100.

 

Trading back from 28 just to have something to move up from 60 with would not make much sense....to me.

So it's gonna have to come from 25. And if next year we're supposed to have plenty of FA money, we should try to make hay in this draft.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Next year’s first might not even be worth pick 41 in this draft.  You are unlikely to get 41+ more for it.  It’s poor business overall trading future picks.

If next years WR at #28 was going to be a better prospect than a WR at 41+ this year, this would be a good point.

[OldTimer1960]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

If next years WR at #28 was going to be a better prospect than a WR at 41+ this year, this would be a good point.

You don’t know that next year’s pick will be #28, could be in the teens if the season doesn’t go according to our wishes.

 

And we don’t know that the guys available at 41 are any better than they could get next year in the first.  Who is the special star they can get at 41 that is sure to be better than a first round one next year?  But, I am fine with addressing WR this year at 28 and maybe even 60, just recognize they are likely to need a starting DE next year to replace Miller and a starter at CB to replace Douglas who will be 31 then.

Edited April 13 by OldTimer1960

[BillsFooteball]

If WR is the pick I’m  getting the feeling the only thing bills won’t do is stay put at 28.

They either go all in trade up for Nabers

or it comes to pick 28 and Harrison, Odunze, Nabers, Thomas, and Mitchell are off the board. I can see trade back there. Sure they can take Legette, Coleman, Franklin but no way at 28…right? 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

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[Warriorspikes51]

29 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

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IMO Coleman is either a huge bust like Chase Claypool without the 1 season  or the Josh Allen of WR’s

 

& I believe the bust chance is WAY too high to warrant picking him at 28, maybe even 60 depending who else is there

[Kirby Jackson]

 

[SirAndrew]

2 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

IMO Coleman is either a huge bust like Chase Claypool without the 1 season  or the Josh Allen of WR’s

 

& I believe the bust chance is WAY too high to warrant picking him at 28, maybe even 60 depending who else is there

I don’t like Coleman much. I know every player is unique, and you shouldn’t hold their school against them, but FSU guys scare me. They don’t play smart or disciplined football. FSU attracts very athletically gifted players, but also seem to lack discipline, and football smarts. I watch college ball, and rarely love what I see from FSU guys the past few seasons. It’s all about potential with their guys. It’s exactly what you say, a huge bust potential. 

[Low Positive]

1 hour ago, SirAndrew said:

I don’t like Coleman much. I know every player is unique, and you shouldn’t hold their school against them, but FSU guys scare me. They don’t play smart or disciplined football. FSU attracts very athletically gifted players, but also seem to lack discipline, and football smarts. I watch college ball, and rarely love what I see from FSU guys the past few seasons. It’s all about potential with their guys. It’s exactly what you say, a huge bust potential. 

How do you feel about Michigan State guys? Because that’s where Coleman was until their coaching situation hit the fan.

[SirAndrew]

6 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

How do you feel about Michigan State guys? Because that’s where Coleman was until their coaching situation hit the fan.

Good point, apparently I don’t think anything about Michigan State 😆 He just struck me as the perfect FSU guy, all potential. Potential is a dangerous thing when you’ve got plenty of receivers who produced more at the college level. I’ve never liked “potential” players who didn’t dominate at major programs. I’ll take that chance on a small school guy who doesn’t have crazy stats, but this draft has too many guys who produced more in college than Coleman. 

Edited April 14 by SirAndrew

[OldTimer1960]

15 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

Good point, apparently I don’t think anything about Michigan State 😆 He just struck me as the perfect FSU guy, all potential. Potential is a dangerous thing when you’ve got plenty of receivers who produced more at the college level. I’ve never liked “potential” players who didn’t dominate at major programs. I’ll take that chance on a small school guy who doesn’t have crazy stats, but this draft has too many guys who produced more in college than Coleman. 

I’m not a big Coleman advocate either, but I think it’s inaccurate to say he has been unproductive.  108 receptions and 18 TDs over the last two seasons against high level competition with less than stellar QB play isn’t bad.

[DJB]

@Solomon Grundy

@HappyDays

 

You two seem to be the resident Coleman fans. Can you elaborate what you like about him and how he’s going to be successful at the next level? And why he is worthy of pick 28? 
 

I’ve been vocal about my disdain for Coleman and why he is not worthy of being picked in round 1 with all the red flags I see, however I’m always open to ideas and seeing new perspectives on players . 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, DJB said:

@Solomon Grundy

@HappyDays

 

You two seem to be the resident Coleman fans. Can you elaborate what you like about him and how he’s going to be successful at the next level? And why he is worthy of pick 28? 
 

I’ve been vocal about my disdain for Coleman and why he is not worthy of being picked in round 1 with all the red flags I see, however I’m always open to ideas and seeing new perspectives on players . 

I'll add to this request: how do you answer the concern that Coleman would likely have to get a lot of snaps as a big slot to be productive? I don't want to add a player that largely needs Kincaid to be off the field for the best chance of success.

[Donuts and Doritos]

 

 

[gonzo1105]

18 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

I don’t like Coleman much. I know every player is unique, and you shouldn’t hold their school against them, but FSU guys scare me. They don’t play smart or disciplined football. FSU attracts very athletically gifted players, but also seem to lack discipline, and football smarts. I watch college ball, and rarely love what I see from FSU guys the past few seasons. It’s all about potential with their guys. It’s exactly what you say, a huge bust potential. 

You are too much looking at before Mike Norvell became the HC. This past years team was extremely disciplined and sound in all aspects this past year. They don’t taunt like teams of the past or do look at me dancing. They just went out and played ball and beat the snot out of teams. 

[MiracleAtRich1393]

17 hours ago, Low Positive said:

How do you feel about Michigan State guys? Because that’s where Coleman was until their coaching situation hit the fan.

This is a good point. How did he look next to Jayden Reed when they shared the field in the same system? I liked Reed a lot coming out last year and he has had a nice early return 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

@Solomon Grundy

@HappyDays

 

You two seem to be the resident Coleman fans. Can you elaborate what you like about him and how he’s going to be successful at the next level? And why he is worthy of pick 28? 
 

I’ve been vocal about my disdain for Coleman and why he is not worthy of being picked in round 1 with all the red flags I see, however I’m always open to ideas and seeing new perspectives on players . 

 

I'll start off by pointing out every WR we're talking about as a possibility at #28 has a red flag or two in their game. That's inescapable at the bottom of the 1st round. That's why I'm banging the drum for a trade down and then double dipping at WR with our first two picks. Maximize the chance that we get a stud at the position while also picking up a 3rd rounder this year.

 

I worry that I've been overselling my affinity for Keon Coleman. I don't think he's a true 1st round grade WR - in my eyes only three of those exist in this class. I just think his traits are winning traits in the NFL and that he would mesh well with Josh Allen. The upside pro comparison I would point to is Nico Collins. He also had questions on if he could separate coming out of Michigan, but his size and strength have turned him into a true #1 WR.

 

I'm not saying anything groundbreaking here - size and strength are winning traits in the NFL. Those traits will allow Coleman to power through press coverage, box out defenders at his route break to create leverage, win the ball in the air, and bully defenders with the ball in his hands. The reason I am especially valuing those traits for the Bills is that I have seen our smaller WRs get pushed around in the playoffs for several years in a row now. I've seen Allen give his WR a chance to win the ball against 1v1 coverage only for the WR to lose the contest.

 

Of course it's possible he will fail. He isn't going to win with speed or twitchiness. Perhaps he will struggle more than anticipated against physical coverage and he'll be relegated to the slot as some have predicted. I just see a lot people overemphasizing his red flags and underemphasizing his strengths, while doing the opposite with their own favored prospect. Personally I think the talk of separation metrics and contested catch percentage is a lot of bunk. WRs aren't usually creating yards of separation in the NFL. Their job is to create leverage to open up a throwing window. Coleman does plenty of that on film. As far as contested catches, Jordan Travis is a pure college QB that only throws into windows he can clearly see. Zero anticipation and modest arm strength meant that contested catches ended up being more contested than they should have been. There are times on film where Coleman is breaking wide open but by the time the ball gets to him the DB has caught up and made it into the window and is able to easily punch the ball away. With a QB like Allen, the ball will be on him immediately before the CB has a chance to do anything about it. I come away impressed by Coleman's college production because his skill set doesn't mesh well with a pure college QB.

 

2 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

I'll add to this request: how do you answer the concern that Coleman would likely have to get a lot of snaps as a big slot to be productive? I don't want to add a player that largely needs Kincaid to be off the field for the best chance of success.

 

I don't know why Coleman would have issues beating press at the next level. He's already big and strong, and not even 21 yet so he probably has more room to grow into his already NFL caliber frame. He's reportedly very competitive and motivated to cash out in the NFL (some may scoff at this, but money is by far the greatest motivator) so I am confident he'll work hard on his release package. He has the frame of a true X.

[Dr. Who]

57 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

 

 

I really enjoyed this breakdown (partly because I pretty much agree with their analyses.) The last twenty minutes or so when they are talking about their top 6 are absolutely worth a listen. If Beane somehow pulled off grabbing Ladd McConkey and one of Mitchell or Thomas, it would be a home run draft. Folks who don't think McConkey is an X should pay attention to what they say here. 

[OldTimer1960]

After the top 3 and Thomas Jr, I think Mitchell is probably the next guy, but I will admit that I really like McConkey, too.  After them, I think we fans really need to be open to guys that have been characterized as mostly slot guys.  If they aren’t open to guys like Pearsall and Wilson then the “deep pool of WRs” gets a lot shallower.  
 

Just get good football players at important positions - don’t reach for need.

[Warriorspikes51]

I’d be thrilled with Legette and Franklin

 

Perhaps Xavier at 28 and then move up from 60 for Franklin?

 

Or if Beane is confident both make it to Round 2, trade down with WSH or CAR and hopefully pick up a 3rd