2024 WR Draft Class

[gonzo1105]

2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

So far, I've only seen 2 receivers mentioned that Bills have met with formally at the combine, their pro days and have a top 30 visit scheduled and that's Troy Franklin and Devontez Walker.

 

What happened to that top-30 tracker thread?

Not a ton had come out about the Bills and their 30 visits to be honest.  I don’t know why that is but there have been less names surfacing for sure 

[Motorin']

17 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

 

 

 

 

Simms loves to be a contrarian... But Thomas is my wr 4, and there's enough distance between him and my #5 (Mitchell) that I'd trade up for him...

 

I also really like the idea of pairing a proven receiver (Aiyuk) with 1-2 guys in this draft class...

 

I'll also say this, there's absolutely no one right way for Beane to address wr. There's probably a dozen or more ways to do a good job. And a handful of ways to blow it. 

 

Lots of exciting possibilities, imo... I could see Beane pairing Coleman and Burton, or Legette and Baker.

 

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Simms loves to be a contrarian... But Thomas is my wr 4, and there's enough distance between him and my #5 (Mitchell) that I'd trade up for him...

 

I also really like the idea of pairing a proven receiver (Aiyuk) with 1-2 guys in this draft class...

 

I'll also say this, there's absolutely no one right way for Beane to address wr. There's probably a dozen or more ways to do a good job. And a handful of ways to blow it. 

 

Lots of exciting possibilities, imo... I could see Beane pairing Coleman and Burton, or Legette and Baker.

 

 

 

 

given Burton's issues...I would be stunned if we drafted him 

[Back2Buff]

42 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

You need players that compliment each other. Kincaid, Shakir, and Samuel will eat up underneath stuff and RPO’s. Now you need to compliment them with field stretchers and field wideners. 

Guys who threaten the defense with speed and suddenness. 
 

I think they all fit but if you can get that at 28 or further back then maybe there’s no point in trading up. 

 

 

You don't draft a complimentary speed WR in the top 4 rounds.

 

Look at when Shorter was drafted LY.  That's where you draft guys that can just run straight down the field.

 

Early, you want guys that are going to succeed at what your offense runs on 95% of the plays.  You don't draft a guy to run 5% of plays high.

[MrEpsYtown]

11 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Simms loves to be a contrarian... But Thomas is my wr 4, and there's enough distance between him and my #5 (Mitchell) that I'd trade up for him...

 

I also really like the idea of pairing a proven receiver (Aiyuk) with 1-2 guys in this draft class...

 

I'll also say this, there's absolutely no one right way for Beane to address wr. There's probably a dozen or more ways to do a good job. And a handful of ways to blow it. 

 

Lots of exciting possibilities, imo... I could see Beane pairing Coleman and Burton, or Legette and Baker.

 

 

 

 

I just hope they don't fall I love with some guy they know they can get.

 

Like a Tez Walker. Now, I really like Walker, but I could see them reaching for him because he is a guy they like and they know they can get him. That's what the Kaiir Elam thing felt like to me. Some guy that a lot of people had in round two and they took him in round 1 and traded up for him. To me, that is the only way they blow it. They should be in position to get a pretty good player in the 20s. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

12 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

You don't draft a complimentary speed WR in the top 4 rounds.

 

Look at when Shorter was drafted LY.  That's where you draft guys that can just run straight down the field.

 

Early, you want guys that are going to succeed at what your offense runs on 95% of the plays.  You don't draft a guy to run 5% of plays high.

Beane has said over and over again he wants different than what we have. He wants field stretchers and wideners. Watch his end of season press conference.

 

They signed Samuel who is a wide receiver screen and underneath WR with RAC ability. He can be more than that but in Brady’s offense that’s what he was. Kincaid and Shakir both underneath WRs with RAC.
 

They are drafting someone that stretches the field vertically and horizontally.

 

 

 

 

Brian Thomas will be here today.

 

 

Edited April 8 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Motorin']

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

given Burton's issues...I would be stunned if we drafted him 

 

I don't know about all that. The big "incident" that gets cited is where he supposedly hit a woman. But if you watch the tape, the opposing student body storms the field. And someone gets in his face talking smack and he pushes her away. He definitely didn't punch her. 

[Mat68]

32 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

given Burton's issues...I would be stunned if we drafted him 

What are the issues?  He transferred to Alabama and pissed off Georgia?  Punched a fan in a field storming situation.  Is that it?  I hear off the field but never details into what.  Makes me think its more draft speak than real. 

[Nephilim17]

Lately, I've been guessing that we're targeting Thomas with a small trade-up, or Mitchell at 28, or very close to it.

But interesting that Joe Marino prefers Legette to Thomas. So does @GunnerBill

 

So many of us may not have our expectations fulfilled. The cover 1 podcast with Marino made the point that the media mock drafts and thus fan rankings are often, way, way off from the boards teams have.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Where are the plays where you see the separation? Because I've done 6 games of Coleman and way before the combine I was saying I don't see it. He came out of the season with an indicative 1st on my board from tv viewing but when I really sat down and started to break the film down the more I watched the lower I got on him. He doesn't separate and for a guy who doesn't separate he isn't consistent enough at the catch point.

 

I agree with you on his ability after the catch. I love that element of his game. It is the thing I like most about him. It is another reason why I think he could be a monster of a big slot. He can duke with the ball in his hands or he can just run you over and when he gets up to full speed he is fast enough especially if inside against linebackers and safeties. As for your comps..... Thomas, Marshall and Nacua.... drafted 2nd, 4th and 5th rounds respectively and Drake London I said was overdrafted at the time and so far that looks correct (although London still separated better than Coleman IMO). If the Bills picked Coleman at #60, or with a small trade up in round 2 I'd be fine with it. At #28 or as the first receiver they take after a slight trade back into the top of the second I'd feel like they left better options on the board. 

Here’s every target to Keon. Think plays wouldn’t have been made if Josh were throwing those passes?

[NickelCity]

11 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

Lately, I've been guessing that we're targeting Thomas with a small trade-up, or Mitchell at 28, or very close to it.

But interesting that Joe Marino prefers Legette to Thomas. So does @GunnerBill

 

I do too. I know I know, I'm a big voice in this room. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Josh likes guys who can separate, McBeane likes guys who can get some YAC and play multiple positions.

 

I think Xavier Legette is legit in play at 28, but I will fall madly in love whoever we choose. 

[LEBills]

26 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

What are the issues?  He transferred to Alabama and pissed off Georgia?  Punched a fan in a field storming situation.  Is that it?  I hear off the field but never details into what.  Makes me think its more draft speak than real. 

 

 

1:12:20 in is Dane Bugler talking about it. Of course nothing specific.

 

“Burton has been to 6 schools over 8 years and was on the ***** list of the coaches at both Georgia and Alabama”

 

Good podcast in addition to that Burton comment.

[GASabresIUFan]

I thought about making this it’s own thread, but I think it works better here.

 

There is a good case for the Bills to draft at least 2 WRs in upcoming draft.  The Bills really only have 2 good WRs on the roster (Shakir and Samuel) and only one with experience as a Bill (Shakir).  I’m not a Hollins fan and feel he’ll work best as a special teams player rather.  He only played on 30% of the Falcons O snaps last season and only was targeted only 30 times.  He also isn’t fast.  Shorter is under contract, but is a complete unknown, but his size and speed are very similar to Hollins.  Given Beane’s statements on improving the speed in the WR room, the best I see for Shorter and Hollins, is playing as the 5th and 6th options.  
 

IMHO this opens up two jobs. The first will be a deep threat replacement for Davis and the second will be a player for an expanded Harty role as the 4th receiving option and primary kick returner.  
 

Given that backdrop and the depth in this draft, I see Beane grabbing a tall fast receiver like Mitchell, Worthy, Thomas, Pearsall or Walker with one of his top 60 picks and then using one of our 4th rd or 5th rd picks on another speedy receiver. A couple of names that look intriguing are Luke McCaffrey, who actually out ran his brother at the combine, Cornelius Johnson, and a late flier in Bub Means.  All 3 guys have decent size and speed.

Edited April 8 by GASabresIUFan

[GunnerBill]

33 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Here’s every target to Keon. Think plays wouldn’t have been made if Josh were throwing those passes?

 

The argument here isn't about whether Coleman is capable of making plays. The debate isn't "is this guy a first rounder or an undrafted free agent?" The debate is whether he is a first round talent or a day 2 guy. And I just watched the first 3 games worth of that video - including LSU which was his best game and I remember watching it live at the time and being in the shoutbox saying "man we gotta get this kid" but I still don't see him separate. In fact the thing that most stands out when you see the LSU film now is how much they are trying to create space for him in the way they use him - and his big play touchdown in the corner of the endzone comes from using him in the slot getting a free release and then just letting him box out the first defender he encounters who is the safety. 

 

I don't think Coleman is a bust. I just don't think he is value at #28 because the flaws are there on film.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

33 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Josh likes guys who can separate, McBeane likes guys who can get some YAC and play multiple positions.

 

I think Xavier Legette is legit in play at 28, but I will fall madly in love whoever we choose. 

I don’t think the Bills will like him because of age. They will likely prefer someone 21 years old.

[Solomon Grundy]

25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't think Coleman is a bust. I just don't think he is value at #28 because the flaws are there on film.

I’m going to go back to the Breece Hall debate as far as draft value is concerned. I do understand from your prospective though

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

I’m going to go back to the Breece Hall debate as far as draft value is concerned. I do understand from your prospective though

 

He still wasn't worth a 1st either.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Beane has said over and over again he wants different than what we have. He wants field stretchers and wideners. Watch his end of season press conference.

 

They signed Samuel who is a wide receiver screen and underneath WR with RAC ability. He can be more than that but in Brady’s offense that’s what he was. Kincaid and Shakir both underneath WRs with RAC.
 

They are drafting someone that stretches the field vertically and horizontally.

 

 

 

 

Brian Thomas will be here today.

 

 

 

Man these LSU guys are obsessed with us!   Love it.  We'll take Nabers and BTJ  thanks! haha 

34 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t think the Bills will like him because of age. They will likely prefer someone 21 years old.

 

Except we took Kincaid last year, so all bets are off now 

1 hour ago, Nephilim17 said:

Lately, I've been guessing that we're targeting Thomas with a small trade-up, or Mitchell at 28, or very close to it.

But interesting that Joe Marino prefers Legette to Thomas. So does @GunnerBill

 

So many of us may not have our expectations fulfilled. The cover 1 podcast with Marino made the point that the media mock drafts and thus fan rankings are often, way, way off from the boards teams have.

 

All the more reason to value BTJ above Legette, and I like both a lot 

[GASabresIUFan]

The Bills drafted Shorter last year in the 5th rd.  The next 2 WRs off the board were Donta Wicks and Puka Nacua.  Oops!