Richard Noggin Posted February 1 Posted February 1 8 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said: WR is one of the harder positions to scout. Beane is on record as saying as much, I believe the year we traded for Diggs, and you had that loaded WR class. Perfect example of this, Eagles and Patriots, who have had a lot of success drafting over the years, but have really struggled when it comes to drafting WRs. For this reason, I'm afraid Beane waits until early day 3 before selecting one. Hopefully not. Outside of size, weight and speed. 1. Can he separate against man coverage? 2. Can he find the open holes in zone? I believe this second part is the most critical, because it speaks to the players understanding of coverages. We all see the amount of disconnect this year between Josh and Gabe. It's definitely a difficult projection, but with respect to the bolded, that is more about the E-P option-based route concepts Daboll installed and Davis's inability to sync up with Allen with respect to reading defensive coverages and leverages pre- and post-snap. Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 😈 Diggs Brian Thomas Jr Shakir Xavier Legette Hollywood Brown CHOO CHOO WR TRAIN ALL ABOARD 1 Quote
BananaB Posted February 1 Posted February 1 4 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said: https://www.dawgnation.com/whos-hot-whos-not/ladd-mcconkey-senior-bowl/OSLAGDXERFCSDPRRUSEAUTUUXQ/ Ladd McConkey drawing Cooper Kupp comparisons from the Senior Bowl officials, except Ladd's faster. I can a picture an Antonio Brown tweet calling him McCracker in the near future. 2 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted February 1 Posted February 1 2 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: 😈 Diggs Brian Thomas Jr Shakir Xavier Legette Hollywood Brown CHOO CHOO WR TRAIN ALL ABOARD There used to be his band called Supertramp who were popular in the last century…you probably never heard of them … They had this song called “Dreamer”…just saying 1 Quote
GASabresIUFan Posted February 1 Posted February 1 9 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: There used to be his band called Supertramp who were popular in the last century…you probably never heard of them … They had this song called “Dreamer”…just saying They should be in the Rock N Roll HOF. 2 Quote
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 1 Posted February 1 14 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said: WR is one of the harder positions to scout. Beane is on record as saying as much, I believe the year we traded for Diggs, and you had that loaded WR class. Perfect example of this, Eagles and Patriots, who have had a lot of success drafting over the years, but have really struggled when it comes to drafting WRs. For this reason, I'm afraid Beane waits until early day 3 before selecting one. Hopefully not. Outside of size, weight and speed. 1. Can he separate against man coverage? 2. Can he find the open holes in zone? I believe this second part is the most critical, because it speaks to the players understanding of coverages. We all see the amount of disconnect this year between Josh and Gabe. My point is there are busts at every position at every pick. I'm on the Bpa train obviously within reason. The Ravens draft BPA every yr and there always pking towards the back of the first same with the Bengals and Steelers. When it comes to your point about Wrs and there skill sets obviously u want to see if they can do the basics. I'll tell u why there's a higher bust rate most Wrs tend to play with there physical abilities in college not counting on leverage, Footwork, Technique, Route Running and catching abilities and the systems they play in are usually simple and they only ask for the Wrs to run a few different routes. Over the last few yrs NFL offenses are going to more spread offenses making the transition easier for Wrs and we've been seeing the bust rate go down drastically. At the end of the day u can't take a position off the board due to bust rates because every position has busts. If u have conviction on a player u have to take him no matter the position he plays. Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 1 Posted February 1 (edited) 5 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Over the last few yrs NFL offenses are going to more spread offenses making the transition easier for Wrs and we've been seeing the bust rate go down drastically. Definitely true. I agree on the Ravens as well. Almost every year it feels like I look at the entire classes at the end of draft weekend and think "man the Ravens crushed it again." They stick to the board and they pick the best football player. It is actually startlingly simple. They don't over complicate it. Edited February 1 by GunnerBill 1 2 Quote
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 1 Posted February 1 15 hours ago, starrymessenger said: Some say that WR needy teams passing on Leggette will live to regret it like they did with Metcalf. Certainly that's possible but I don't know how likely it is. One of the things that makes the top of this years class special is a relatively low risk when projecting them to the next level (though of course they all have weaknesses and things to improve on). Leggette strikes me as more of a boom or bust prospect than any of the other highly rated players. I certainly wouldn't say that the Bills have to take him at 28, especially considering who else might well be available. But if the Bills do take him rest assured I will be 100% behind him. He's definitely boom or bust but I still feel the same way if he's there u take him. One of the issues with Bills drafting over the yrs is they tend to go safe with there picks giving us adequate average players . The Bills desperately need difference makers and Leggette definitely it's the mold of a player that can reach that high ceiling potential. Quote
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 1 Posted February 1 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Definitely true. I agree on the Ravens as well. Almost every year it feels like I look at the entire classes at the end of draft weekend and think "man the Ravens crushed it again." They stick to the board and they pick the best football player. It is actually startlingly simple. They don't over complicate it. I admire the Ravens front office Decosta is probably the best GM in the game. This yr might be the yr for the Bills were BPA meets need especially at Wr. Other Wrs I love is AD Mitch and Worthy not the biggest fan of the Franklin Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 1 Posted February 1 9 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: I admire the Ravens front office Decosta is probably the best GM in the game. This yr might be the yr for the Bills were BPA meets need especially at Wr. Other Wrs I love is AD Mitch and Worthy not the biggest fan of the Franklin I like Mitchell, don't like him as a fit for the Bills needs particularly because he just don't seem to have that explosion. He is an all round solid player and I love his hands. He properly snatches the football from the air, attacks it. But I think we need explosiveness. 1 Quote
NeverOutNick Posted February 1 Posted February 1 23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I like Mitchell, don't like him as a fit for the Bills needs particularly because he just don't seem to have that explosion. He is an all round solid player and I love his hands. He properly snatches the football from the air, attacks it. But I think we need explosiveness. Why not get both. We need some sure handed WRs too. He is a great route runner for a big dude and gets separation which we need as well. Yes to get one guy with everything would be awesome but Mitchell checks a lot of boxes. I also disagree with @NastyNateSoldiers Franklin is awesome. He reminds me of a taller Diggs with more explosion 1 Quote
Pete Posted February 1 Posted February 1 Im guessing Beane signs 2 WR before draft. Kendrick Bourne is a name to keep an eye on. He seperates, is a deep threat, and will be a moderately price WR with upside 1 Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 15 hours ago, zow2 said: The Shakir pick was so good. Hopefully Beane has his eyes on multiple players who can translate to NFL football like he did. I like what we saw from Shakir this year - really encouraging- but a little early to conclude that he is the answer in the slot. I hope he is, but defenses will have film on him this coming season. Also, it’s relatively easier to find a guy who can be a reliable slot receiver compared to finding a guy who can play well outside. 1 Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 Devonte’s Walker is having a bit of a rough time at the Senior Bowl. Difficulties getting open and dropping passes - I guess not too surprising that he might need more development than some others given that he played at Kent State until last season and then wasn’t eligible early in the year at UNC. I don’t claim to be fully able to evaluate these guys like Gunner and some others can, but Walker didn’t wow me in a couple full games that I watched. Quote
NeverOutNick Posted February 1 Posted February 1 3 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Devonte’s Walker is having a bit of a rough time at the Senior Bowl. Difficulties getting open and dropping passes - I guess not too surprising that he might need more development than some others given that he played at Kent State until last season and then wasn’t eligible early in the year at UNC. I don’t claim to be fully able to evaluate these guys like Gunner and some others can, but Walker didn’t wow me in a couple full games that I watched. I’m hoping teams bypass him because of this and he falls to us in the 2nd or even 3rd round. Kid is a difference maker and even though he needs some good coaching refinement I think he’ll be a stud. Quote
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 1 Posted February 1 1 hour ago, NeverOutNick said: Why not get both. We need some sure handed WRs too. He is a great route runner for a big dude and gets separation which we need as well. Yes to get one guy with everything would be awesome but Mitchell checks a lot of boxes. I also disagree with @NastyNateSoldiers Franklin is awesome. He reminds me of a taller Diggs with more explosion Franklin I need to do some more work on just watched a few highlights but really haven't got down to some other forms of evaluation. Quote
SoCal Deek Posted February 1 Posted February 1 I’m no expert but I really can’t remember a year when a Bills position of need seemed as well stocked in a particular draft class. Certainly not since the latest playoff run has had them picking near the end of the First Round. Feels like the year to sit tight and see who’s sitting there when our number comes up…which also just happens to work out well for our Cap issues. Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m no expert but I really can’t remember a year when a Bills position of need seemed as well stocked in a particular draft class. Certainly not since the latest playoff run has had them picking near the end of the First Round. Feels like the year to sit tight and see who’s sitting there when our number comes up…which also just happens to work out well for our Cap issues. If Brian Thomas Jr makes it to pick 16 for Seattle, Beane should strongly consider moving up to jump ahead of Miami and other WR needy teams 1 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted February 1 Posted February 1 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: If Brian Thomas Jr makes it to pick 16 for Seattle, Beane should strongly consider moving up to jump ahead of Miami and other WR needy teams You may be right but this sure feels like the perfect year to stockpile Draft Picks. 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 1 Posted February 1 (edited) 8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You may be right but this sure feels like the perfect year to stockpile Draft Picks. not against that either, but it seems every year we lose 2-3 players we drafted via either camp cut or practice squad poaching anyway. I'd be willing to sacrifice a fair amount of picks for 2 legit studs at WR If not, then at least take the best available WR at 28 and maybe get lucky if the monster DT Sweat falls to us in the 2nd. Then take another swing at WR in the 3rd too (assuming we have a comp pick) Edited February 1 by Warriorspikes51 Quote
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