HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 28 Posted January 28 13 hours ago, Process said: One AFC championship appearance in that span is unacceptable. And I honestly don't think McDermott is anywhere close to being on the hot seat. Yup. If I had to say right now...and this feels unfathomable after that 2020-21 season...I don't think Josh ends up winning a Superbowl here. And it's going to be because of McDermott. We're going to have one of the most tragic stories of a superstar of all-time. 8 hours ago, Success said: Very similar to Manning & the Pats. That was his nemesis for so long. Then he broke through in '06, in spectacular fashion, coming back from 21-3. And didn't really look back after that - he won the last part of that rivalry. That's what I'm hoping for. He who laughs last, and all that. It's not similar at all though. Manning was dreadful individually, himself, for a lot of those games before he broke through. Josh has been spectacular in the majority of these big games. Peyton was losing those games because of Peyton. Josh is losing those games because of his coach. 1 2 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted January 28 Posted January 28 13 hours ago, 90sBills said: Maybe next year the Bills can find a way to avoid Mahomes AND Burrow in the playoffs. They can surely make it with that scenario right? Burrow gets hurt again which for him is very possible. Kelce retires or continues to fade. Maybe then and only then we can finally have nice things? 1 1 Quote
Dr.Sack Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 15 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: How did we not make a Super Bowl: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years - second in wins - 5th in points/ game - 1st in points allowed/ game - 3rd in first downs - 2nd in 3rd down conversion % honestly, I have absolutely loved this ride. To have an amazing qb where playoffs are a given every year is such an amazing feeling. But man, a team with that resume should have made more than one championship game. 😢 just wanted to bum everyone out on a Saturday morning. 2020 - bad defense 2021 - bad defense 2022 - bad defense and offense 2023 - injuries on defense leading to bad defense, not enough at WR, unreliable kicker. Edited January 28 by Dr.Sack Kicker 2 Quote
BillsMontreal Posted January 28 Posted January 28 17 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: You got it. We've been a very good team with a great QB that's very good in the regular season but not great in clutch playoff games. Yes, it beats the drought years, but the funny thing with expectations is the higher you set them the more disappointing it is not to make them. So, in a weird way losing in the playoffs hurts a lot more than not making them. I dont know if it hurts a lot more, but it's not a good feeling to see a team in the water of underachivement at this point. So, we have to be honest: since the beginning, Mcbeane always talk about -being competitive-. Always. This year in their press conference, it was all about -being competitve-. Nothing less than that, but nothing more. Then, i feel like they achieve their goal. We should be competitive again. With that kind of team, with that QB, i dont think it should be the goal. To say the truth, if you're not competitive with that kind of QB, you're not good at all in your job. It's not good enough. Underachievement is always a bad feeling. It seems their goal is still only? being competitive again. Nothing less, but nothing more, like i said. Quote
major Posted January 28 Posted January 28 20 hours ago, Process said: One AFC championship appearance in that span is unacceptable. And I honestly don't think McDermott is anywhere close to being on the hot seat. We should have had at least one Super Bowl win during this span and probably two Super Bowl appearances. Should have played in the big game in 2020 and 2021. Quote
SirAndrew Posted January 28 Posted January 28 7 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: Yup. If I had to say right now...and this feels unfathomable after that 2020-21 season...I don't think Josh ends up winning a Superbowl here. And it's going to be because of McDermott. We're going to have one of the most tragic stories of a superstar of all-time. It's not similar at all though. Manning was dreadful individually, himself, for a lot of those games before he broke through. Josh has been spectacular in the majority of these big games. Peyton was losing those games because of Peyton. Josh is losing those games because of his coach. Yeah, Allen’s divisional rounds against KC have been among the best QB performances in league history. It will just get lost in time because we didn’t win anything. Manning and his team had a meltdown whenever they had to leave their dome. 1 Quote
BarleyNY Posted January 28 Posted January 28 17 hours ago, FireChans said: If McD was fired, he’d have a head coaching job tomorrow. Many owners are in need a HC that can turn around their franchise. Why wouldn’t he be hired for that? Quote
FireChans Posted January 28 Posted January 28 6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: 2020 - bad defense 2021 - bad defense 2022 - bad defense and offense 2023 - injuries on defense leading to bad defense, not enough at WR, unreliable kicker. 2020 our offense was terrible too my dude. Josh and offense really just skating by on one game lmao 5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Many owners are in need a HC that can turn around their franchise. Why wouldn’t he be hired for that? He would be. Are you agreeing with me? Quote
Chaos Posted January 28 Posted January 28 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: He would be. Are you agreeing with me? There were a lot of people on this board who were convinced Doug Whaley would be snapped up if the Bills released him. I think McDermott would get another HC job eventually. Not sure about "tomorrow". But mostly not sure the future is predictable on these sort of things. Quote
Since1981 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 19 hours ago, njbuff said: he toughest opponent for the Bills has been the BILLS. Cliche talk. 17 hours ago, st pete gogolak said: add McVay to that list. Peyton? Tomlin is a McDermott clone with a SB ring. Tomlin; let’s not wait 18 yrs on McClapper. Kudos to PIT on loyalty but wow, overkill!! 1 Quote
BarleyNY Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: Are you agreeing with me? That McDermott would quickly have HC job offers if fired by the Bills? Yes, if that was your point. I’d stop short of saying that he’s still a good fit here though. If that was your point, then no. He did a great job of turning around the Bills, but I have not thought he was the guy to get us a championship since 13 seconds. FWIW I don’t think Andy Reid would have gotten a championship if he’d stayed with the Eagles either. There’s a point when if it hasn’t happened yet with a coach in a given situation, then it’s not going to happen. Edited January 28 by BarleyNY 1 Quote
jahbonas Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Mcdermott initially coming to Buffalo and adding clear direction to the chaos that was under Rex Ryan was a big positive - but that is apples and oranges to the coaching needed to take a sold team to the point it can win it all = when already given multiple years to do so Yes Mcdermott has won many games the last 5 years - but he has perhaps the top QB AND the top spending owner in football - thats massive !!!! Mcdermott & Beane have both benefited greatly by Pegula being able and willing to write checks to keep the flow of talent in - that will get you into the playoffs annually - does anyone really think with Josh & Pegula in place if we changed from Mcdermott we really would not make the wildcard round of the playoffs? Quote
TheWeatherMan Posted January 28 Posted January 28 22 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: How did we not make a Super Bowl: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years - second in wins - 5th in points/ game - 1st in points allowed/ game - 3rd in first downs - 2nd in 3rd down conversion % honestly, I have absolutely loved this ride. To have an amazing qb where playoffs are a given every year is such an amazing feeling. But man, a team with that resume should have made more than one championship game. 😢 just wanted to bum everyone out on a Saturday morning. Sean McDermott Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted January 28 Posted January 28 21 hours ago, SCBills said: CJ Stroud throws for 350 yards and 4 TD’s as the Bills fall 38-35 on a last second 52 yard FG in the 2025 Divisional Round. (Insert McDermott excuse here) Allen used to have games like that, and we didn't win some of them. The real test of a player is if they can still run up number like that after other NFL DC's figure out what you are doing. Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 22 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: How did we not make a Super Bowl: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years - second in wins - 5th in points/ game - 1st in points allowed/ game - 3rd in first downs - 2nd in 3rd down conversion % honestly, I have absolutely loved this ride. To have an amazing qb where playoffs are a given every year is such an amazing feeling. But man, a team with that resume should have made more than one championship game. 😢 just wanted to bum everyone out on a Saturday morning. The problem is the only team that has a better 5 year resume is KC and is often standing in our way Quote
LarryMadman Posted January 28 Posted January 28 22 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: How did we not make a Super Bowl: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years - second in wins - 5th in points/ game - 1st in points allowed/ game - 3rd in first downs - 2nd in 3rd down conversion % honestly, I have absolutely loved this ride. To have an amazing qb where playoffs are a given every year is such an amazing feeling. But man, a team with that resume should have made more than one championship game. 😢 just wanted to bum everyone out on a Saturday morning. What's fair is fair right, now do playoffs over the past 5 years. Quote
Jrb1979 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 41 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: That McDermott would quickly have HC job offers if fired by the Bills? Yes, if that was your point. I’d stop short of saying that he’s still a good fit here though. If that was your point, then no. He did a great job of turning around the Bills, but I have not thought he was the guy to get us a championship since 13 seconds. FWIW I don’t think Andy Reid would have gotten a championship if he’d stayed with the Eagles either. There’s a point when if it hasn’t happened yet with a coach in a given situation, then it’s not going to happen. I posted in another thread but it fits this one. 2 Quote
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 28 Posted January 28 21 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: How did we not make a Super Bowl: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years - second in wins - 5th in points/ game - 1st in points allowed/ game - 3rd in first downs - 2nd in 3rd down conversion % honestly, I have absolutely loved this ride. To have an amazing qb where playoffs are a given every year is such an amazing feeling. But man, a team with that resume should have made more than one championship game. 😢 just wanted to bum everyone out on a Saturday morning. Below are some of the raw stats of the rankings noted in the OP. Not a shock to anyone, our biggest factor in not having been able to get over the hump in any of the last 5 seasons has been the defense failing to live up to regular season performance standard. Key: Red = Poor performing difference greater than 3.0 Green= Positive performing difference greater than 3.0 Blue= Nuetral perfomring difference between +/- 3.0 (with the exception of 3rd down percentage, see note under 3rd down percentage) Defensive PPG: Year Reg. Season Def. PPG Post Season Elimination Game Difference 2019 16.2 22 +5.8 2020 23.4 38 +14.6 2021 17 42 +25 2022 17.9 27 +9.1 2023 18.3 27 +8.7 Offensive PPG: Year Offensive PPG Reg. Season Elimination Game Difference 2019 19.6 19 -.6 2020 31.3 24 -7.3 2021 28.4 36 +7.6 2022 28.4 10 -18.4 2023 26.5 24 -2.5 Defensive 1st Downs Per Game Given Up: Year OPP. Reg. Season 1st Down Per Game Elimination Game Difference 2019 18.4 19 +0.6 2020 21.9 29 +7.1 2021 16.7 30 +13.3 2022 19.6 30 +10.4 2023 18.4 21 +2.6 Offensive 1st Downs Per Game Gained: Year Reg. Season 1st Down Per Game Elimination Game Difference 2019 19.6 24 +4.4 2020 24.8 24 -0.8 2021 23.4 23 -0.4 2022 22.9 19 -3.9 2023 22.4 27 +4.6 Defensive Opponent 3rd Down Percentage: Year OPP Reg. Season 3rd % Elimination Game Difference** 2019 35.8% 46.2% +10.4% 2020 39.8% 60% +20.2% 2021 30.8% 61.5% +30.7% 2022 37.5% 60% +22.5% 2023 38.6% 20% * -18.6%* *KC only faced 5 third downs all game, going 1-5 on third down attempts. They had an explosive offense in this game. Offensive 3rd Down Percentage: Year Reg. Season 3rd % Elimination Game Difference** 2019 35.8% 52.4% +16.6% 2020 49.7% 35.7% -14.0% 2021 46.4% 42.9% -3.5% 2022 50.3% 41.7% -8.6% 2023 49.8% 50% +0.2% **Here, a neutral difference is anything between +/- 10%. There is greater variance in a stat like 3rd down percentage in a single game, so I believe it makes sense in this case to allow for a larger span for neutral performance. Simple tally of the above: Defense: 1 Green, 12 Red, 2 Blue Offense: 4 Green, 4 Red, 7 Blue 1 2 Quote
zow2 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 It might take having one of those years when the Bills squeak in as the 7th seed. Get hot, run off 3 big unexpected road wins and win the SB. The year no one really expects it. Quote
LarryMadman Posted January 28 Posted January 28 18 hours ago, st pete gogolak said: I’d certainly add McVay to that list. Peyton? Tomlin is a McDermott clone with a SB ring. and Shanahan, Lefluer, Zac Taylor, Pederson and Campbell at this point and whereever Vrabel ends up. Tomlin is better because he won a SB, he had Ben but IMO Josh is better than Ben. 1 Quote
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