The last 5 years of Bills football

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Since1981 said:

McD is not a top 15 HC. 

Look at what’s happening with HCs (Harbaugh, Billacheat). Put it this way, if McD were on his sofa, would he get a new HC gig? I don’t think so. Fine DC, Ops Mgr but bad O, OC, game Mgr. 
 

it will be tough to overcome the final 8 with McD

If McD was fired, he’d have a head coaching job tomorrow.

[Bob Jones]

12 minutes ago, FireChans said:

If McD was fired, he’d have a head coaching job tomorrow.

The Commanders or Seahawks can have him!

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Yards per play given up in each of our last 5 playoff losses (kneeldowns excluded):

 

Chiefs 2024 - 8.5

Bengals 2023 - 6.0

Chiefs 2022 - 7.6

Chiefs 2021 - 7.4

Texans 2020 - 5.6

 

As a point of reference, the worst defense in the league this gave up 6.0 yards per play. Our best effort on here, 5.6 yards per play, would have ranked 27th.

 

So there are two possibilities to finally break through in the playoffs. Either our defense stops giving up historically bad yards per play, or we build up our offensive supporting cast so that it can consistently produce historically great yards per play. It's very hard to win games when your yards per play differential is negative.

 

Has a top ranked regular season defense ever disappeared this many years in a row in the playoffs ?

[Billl]

I was bored last night and watched replays of the Eagles vs Buccs and Chiefs vs Bills.  The Eagles were an absolute mess.  They had no discipline, cohesion, etc... just a terribly coached team.  The Buccaneers were better, but they were far from great.  The Bills and Chiefs felt like a heavyweight prize fight.  Both teams made mistakes, but they were clearly focused and well coached. 

 

The difference was striking, and as much as some fans want to deny it, the Bills are a really good team with a really good coach, but the Chiefs are an even better team with an even better coach.  When you refuse to give credit to your opponents, you're always going to assume that every loss is a referendum on your own staff.

[CincyBillsFan]

4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

How did we not make a Super Bowl: 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years
 

- second in wins

- 5th in points/ game

- 1st in points allowed/ game 

- 3rd in first downs 

- 2nd in 3rd down conversion %
 

honestly, I have absolutely loved this ride. To have an amazing qb where playoffs are a given every year is such an amazing feeling. But man, a team with that resume should have made more than one championship game. 😢 

just wanted to bum everyone out on a Saturday morning. 

It's simple the Bills did not try to surround Allen with the best available offensive players to fully exploit his skills.  A secondary reason was that the head coach was not up to the task in later round playoff games against better competition.

 

 

[MJS]

Because Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs exist, and they are perhaps one of the best teams of all time. The Mahomes and Reid combo is one of the best QB/Head Coaching combos of all time.

 

They need to get through the Chiefs if they ever want a Super Bowl.

[billsbackto81]

5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 

just wanted to bum everyone out on a Saturday morning. 

Mission Accomplished 😤

[Success]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Because Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs exist, and they are perhaps one of the best teams of all time. The Mahomes and Reid combo is one of the best QB/Head Coaching combos of all time.

 

They need to get through the Chiefs if they ever want a Super Bowl.

 

Very similar to Manning & the Pats.  That was his nemesis for so long.

 

Then he broke through in '06, in spectacular fashion, coming back from 21-3.  And didn't really look back after that - he won the last part of that rivalry.

 

That's what I'm hoping for.  He who laughs last, and all that. 

[90sBills]

28 minutes ago, Billl said:

When you refuse to give credit to your opponents, you're always going to assume that every loss is a referendum on your own staff.

Who isn’t giving their opponents credit? All I’ve heard from the players to coaches are praises for the opponents when the Bills lose. If you’re referring to fans opinions here then it’s irrelevant. 

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, RiotAct said:

just cross your fingers we don’t meet Jacksonville in the playoffs either!

We'll pry go 7-1 at home again next year sweeping the division and beating quality teams like the Chiefs and 49ers.  You know the Jaguars will somehow be the one loss.

Edited January 27 by Doc Brown

[Success]

39 minutes ago, Billl said:

I was bored last night and watched replays of the Eagles vs Buccs and Chiefs vs Bills.  The Eagles were an absolute mess.  They had no discipline, cohesion, etc... just a terribly coached team.  The Buccaneers were better, but they were far from great.  The Bills and Chiefs felt like a heavyweight prize fight.  Both teams made mistakes, but they were clearly focused and well coached. 

 

The difference was striking, and as much as some fans want to deny it, the Bills are a really good team with a really good coach, but the Chiefs are an even better team with an even better coach.  When you refuse to give credit to your opponents, you're always going to assume that every loss is a referendum on your own staff.

 

That's what I see when I watch so many other games.  There is just some bad coaching out there.  It's hard to find a good coach, and almost impossible to find a great coach.  The Chiefs are lucky.  Reid is at the top of his game, and the best out there.  And Philly fans couldn't wait to move on from him - which shows how easy it is to have a "grass is always greener" kind of mindset.

 

As for the bolded, I don't think that's so much it, at least here.  It may seem like we don't credit the Chiefs, but that's because most here can't stand them, which is natural given that they're basically the new Patriots for us.  We've had hand-wringing on this board about McDermott for awhile now, and the playoff futility goes beyond just not being able to beat KC. This team has underachieved to this point.

 

I'm okay w/ McD, but I'd prefer to see them go after Belichick or Vrabel while both are available. Belichick because he's the best (when he doesn't GM), and Vrabel because I think he'd bring a mental toughness that this team needs.

 

[Jrb1979]

3 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Peyton Manning considered a top 3 QB of all time only won 2 himself, the last one being carried by an insanely good Bronco’s defense. Not to mention Elway, Favre, Brees are top 10 QBs and only have one a piece as well. People don’t understand how hard it is to win it all even with an elite QB. 

Some coach once said "It's hard to win in this league". 

 

IMO many here are so afraid the Bills go back to irrelevant again that they are afraid to change the coach. McDermott has taken this team as far as he can. His philosophy is too old school for what wins in this league now.  

[julian]

6 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

How did we not make a Super Bowl: 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years
 

- second in wins

- 5th in points/ game

- 1st in points allowed/ game 

- 3rd in first downs 

- 2nd in 3rd down conversion %
 

honestly, I have absolutely loved this ride. To have an amazing qb where playoffs are a given every year is such an amazing feeling. But man, a team with that resume should have made more than one championship game. 😢 

just wanted to bum everyone out on a Saturday morning. 

Curious to know if the other 4 teams in the top 5 of those categories all made a Super Bowl or not

[Jrb1979]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

That's what I see when I watch so many other games.  There is just some bad coaching out there.  It's hard to find a good coach, and almost impossible to find a great coach.  The Chiefs are lucky.  Reid is at the top of his game, and the best out there.  And Philly fans couldn't wait to move on from him - which shows how easy it is to have a "grass is always greener" kind of mindset.

 

As for the bolded, I don't think that's so much it, at least here.  It may seem like we don't credit the Chiefs, but that's because most here can't stand them, which is natural given that they're basically the new Patriots for us.  We've had hand-wringing on this board about McDermott for awhile now, and the playoff futility goes beyond just not being able to beat KC. This team has underachieved to this point.

 

I'm okay w/ McD, but I'd prefer to see them go after Belichick or Vrabel while both are available. Belichick because he's the best (when he doesn't GM), and Vrabel because I think he'd bring a mental toughness that this team needs.

 

I agree with the bad coaching part. IMO watching other teams, especially those with top offenses is how easy they move the ball. They also have a lot more explosive plays more often.  All through that winning streak and the game against KC the offense struggled to score most games. 

[section122]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

I agree with the bad coaching part. IMO watching other teams, especially those with top offenses is how easy they move the ball. They also have a lot more explosive plays more often.  All through that winning streak and the game against KC the offense struggled to score most games. 

 

 

Becauase kc has one of the best defenses in the league! 

 

Ive posted this elsewhere but you are flat wrong about how easy other teams move the ball.  They also have down games and tough stretches.  You just aren't emotionally invested in them so it doesnt matter as much and you aren't as critical.

 

Here are the top 5 offenses by ppg (buffalo finished 6th):

 

Dallas - scored 16 against a bad cards team before kyler came back, and 10 each against sf and buffalo. 

 

Miami- 17 against philly, 14 against kc (7 in the rematch), 19 against balt, and 14 against buffalo with the division on the line.

 

San fran - 17 3 weeks in a row against cle, minn, and cin (2 of those 3 didnt make the playoffs).  19 against the ravens.

 

Balt - 19 against indy and 10 against pitt ( with lamar).

 

Det - 6 against baltimore, 13 vs chicago, and 19 against dallas.

 

Buffalo also finished 4th in ypg.

 

The issue is the team in their way had the 2nd best ypg and ppg against (both better than buffalo) while Buffalo brought an incredibly banged up defense.

 

 

[Jrb1979]

19 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

 

Becauase kc has one of the best defenses in the league! 

 

Ive posted this elsewhere but you are flat wrong about how easy other teams move the ball.  They also have down games and tough stretches.  You just aren't emotionally invested in them so it doesnt matter as much and you aren't as critical.

 

Here are the top 5 offenses by ppg (buffalo finished 6th):

 

Dallas - scored 16 against a bad cards team before kyler came back, and 10 each against sf and buffalo. 

 

Miami- 17 against philly, 14 against kc (7 in the rematch), 19 against balt, and 14 against buffalo with the division on the line.

 

San fran - 17 3 weeks in a row against cle, minn, and cin (2 of those 3 didnt make the playoffs).  19 against the ravens.

 

Balt - 19 against indy and 10 against pitt ( with lamar).

 

Det - 6 against baltimore, 13 vs chicago, and 19 against dallas.

 

Buffalo also finished 4th in ypg.

 

The issue is the team in their way had the 2nd best ypg and ppg against (both better than buffalo) while Buffalo brought an incredibly banged up defense.

 

 

You're flat out wrong. In 8 of 17 regular season games Buffalo scored more than 24 points. 

 

Det did it 13 times

 

Bal did it 11 times 

 

SF did it 12 times

 

Dal did it 10 times

 

Miami did it 8 times too but that game they beat Denver inflates their offensive stats. 

 

Besides points, you watch other offenses and see how wide open WRs get and the YAC they make. 

 

 

[Marlton Bills]

…have been awesome!!  I know there’s been a lot of disappointment but I’ve really enjoyed watching Bills football the last 5-7 years.  Not spoiled here!  

[section122]

57 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

You're flat out wrong. In 8 of 17 regular season games Buffalo scored more than 24 points. 

 

Det did it 13 times

 

Bal did it 11 times 

 

SF did it 12 times

 

Dal did it 10 times

 

Miami did it 8 times too but that game they beat Denver inflates their offensive stats. 

 

Besides points, you watch other offenses and see how wide open WRs get and the YAC they make. 

 

 

 

And after they fired dorsey the bills did it 7 of 9 games including playoffs and their lowest output was 20 against that very strong kc defense on the road.

 

[ganesh]

10 hours ago, ALLinALLEN said:

The problem with these stats is that they're all averages. Yes, it all adds up to great records YoY, and good teams/etc. But in the big moments, against the best teams, this team fails year after year. A lot of that blame I put squarely on the coach. 

I agree.  they made many blunders on that last drive.  They lost their focus and did not play smart. 

[Jimmy Harris 69]

The multi-verse shows us just how poor Sean McDermott’s football prospective  really is: McDermott traded the best quarterback in the league —-Pat Mahomes, for a cornerback, Tre White. White will be out of the league next year. Mahomes has kept us out of the championship for the last five years, having NOT been stopped by Tre White or the rest of Sean’s piss poor play off defense. Sean thinks he’s George Halas, but he’s only John Rauch.